Ignoring the obvious sarcasm parts of what you have written I don't recall anyone saying the other piece?

Some folks are saying let him continue to grow and maybe we shouldn't just give up on a 1st all star winger who is 24 years old and has a history of winning in other leagues.

I feel like if the Leafs trade him years from now that trade has a lot of potential to crack the top 5 worst Leaf trades list - almost regardless of what they get for him.

I'm willing to be patient (more patient), doing things the right way is harder and takes more time and it's fair to say mistakes were made but it's not like Leafs Mgt. have made more mistakes than positive moves -at least not to me.
- Cush29

Really? You haven't noticed how people have talked about Marner as if he's an instrumental piece to the future - and perennial - success of the franchise? He's a "superstar" winger who you could never, ever replace the value he brings to the team with what would come back in return (or so the apologists say). Not so coincidentally, your assertion that it would probably crack the top 5 worst Leafs trades list positively supports that my statement is anything but a strawman here.

Sometimes doing the "right thing" means letting what you thought was a "big" piece go. We can't assume that keeping him necessarily would be the "right thing".

Granted, he ain't going anywhere this season... but if the Leafs lose in the first round and he fails to show up again?

Hmmmm....

Yeah, unfortunately, that's the only thing you could possibly spend 10.9M on.

But let's just be (dis)honest: Mitch Marner is an absolutely untouchable player who should never, ever be traded because he's totally the type of player that will bring us to the promised land.

You could never find anything of value with 10.9M that could make this lineup better. Nope.
- mjones242

i sense sarcasm

I was worried about tonight's game, but then I read the preview on TSN.

Sounds like the Leafs have it figured out:

“We want to play our game and spend as much time as we can in the opponent's end,” Tavares said. “That's one of the things we've talked about this morning. [San Jose] doesn't do very much of that [playing in their own end], so being able to establish our game offensively and grinding them down and being a hard team to play against [is key], and when we have to check, we check hard and don't give them much time or space.”

I was worried about tonight's game, but then I read the preview on TSN.

Sounds like the Leafs have it figured out:

“We want to play our game and spend as much time as we can in the opponent's end,” Tavares said. “That's one of the things we've talked about this morning.
- Atomic Wedgie[San Jose] doesn't do very much of that [playing in their own end], so being able to establish our game offensively and grinding them down and being a hard team to play against [is key], and when we have to check, we check hard and don't give them much time or space.”

It's comforting to know that this strategy takes precedence over getting hemmed in their own end and letting in a lot of goals. I really think this is the right move going forward.

i sense sarcasm
- Skalapy

Really? You haven't noticed how people have talked about Marner as if he's an instrumental piece to the future - and perennial - success of the franchise? He's a "superstar" winger who you could never, ever replace the value he brings to the team with what would come back in return (or so the apologists say). Not so coincidentally, your assertion that it would probably crack the top 5 worst Leafs trades list positively supports that my statement is anything but a strawman here.

Sometimes doing the "right thing" means letting what you thought was a "big" piece go. We can't assume that keeping him necessarily would be the "right thing".

Granted, he ain't going anywhere this season... but if the Leafs lose in the first round and he fails to show up again?

Hmmmm....
- mjones242

dubass should’ve dealt him and greedy willi during the holdouts🤦‍♂️

They're all one off places.

Johnny's is a mom and pop that's been around as long as the Leafs' cup drought

Highly recommend if you're ever around 401/vic park
- TheMussel

I haven't been in probably 20 years, but I'll bet it's just the same.

I haven't been in probably 20 years, but I'll bet it's just the same.
- Atomic Wedgie

I love the soup nazi mentality. Know what you want on your burger when it's your turn or else you risk getting a plain hamburger.

It's comforting to know that this strategy takes precedence over getting hemmed in their own end and letting in a lot of goals. I really think this is the right move going forward.
- TheMussel

Yeah, but I think for the first quarter of the season, they need to experiment:

Do you give 100%?

Maybe 110%?

I'm just glad I'm not making the key decisions.

Holy crap, the hydrocut was a sloppy leafy mess.
Difficult to keep control of bike the wet leaf covered trails. No wonder its closed for the season now

Good times though.

- mjones242

Lol

It's comforting to know that this strategy takes precedence over getting hemmed in their own end and letting in a lot of goals. I really think this is the right move going forward.
- TheMussel

I don't know.. I kind of like the "let them hit us, until they get tired approach"... We can hope they make a mistake

Yeah, but I think for the first quarter of the season, they need to experiment:

Do you give 100%?

Maybe 110%?

I'm just glad I'm not making the key decisions.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think in and around 100% makes sense. Any more and you're outside the realm of possibility, any less and you're not trying your best.

dubass should’ve dealt him and greedy willi during the holdouts🤦‍♂️
- Skalapy

I would agree that Dubas should have played hardball with Willie and said, "you sign by Oct 1st or you miss the season" but the contract looks pretty decent now and Nylander has really stepped up his play.

Marner? Indefensible bullpoop contract.

I don't know.. I kind of like the "let them hit us, until they get tired approach"... We can hope they make a mistake
- PatC80

I also like the patented Leafs strategy of not expending too much energy at the start of the game.

Just ease into it - if you go down by a goal or three, think of all the extra energy you still have to roar back in the third.

Most of the time this strategy has been solid, allowing the Leafs to come back late and only lose by one goal.

I also like the patented Leafs strategy of not expending too much energy at the start of the game.

Just ease into it - if you go down by a goal or three, think of all the extra energy you still have to roar back in the third.

Most of the time this strategy has been solid, allowing the Leafs to come back late and only lose by one goal.
- Atomic Wedgie

classic strategy...

Lulling the opposition into a false sense of security, and then hit them hard for the last 10 minutes of the game. 60% of the time, it work's every time.

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I would agree that Dubas should have played hardball with Willie and said, "you sign by Oct 1st or you miss the season" but the contract looks pretty decent now and Nylander has really stepped up his play.

Marner? Indefensible bullpoop contract.
- mjones242

i agree but it was fun to imagine how nice the d and goal tending may have looked for the money🤦‍♂️

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- Fakepartofme

lmfaooooooooo🤣

I just read an article that said Alec Baldwin accidentally killed one of the film staff and injured another with a prop gun during a scene on that set.

Complete accident but it sounds like there may have been a live round in the gun. How the (frank) that situation happens - especially after the Brandon Lee incident years ago on the set of The Crow - is beyond me.

i agree but it was fun to imagine how nice the d and goal tending may have looked for the money🤦‍♂️
- Skalapy

If only Dubas could have known the cap freeze was on the horizon...

i agree but it was fun to imagine how nice the d and goal tending may have looked for the money🤦‍♂️
- Skalapy

Really? You haven't noticed how people have talked about Marner as if he's an instrumental piece to the future - and perennial - success of the franchise? He's a "superstar" winger who you could never, ever replace the value he brings to the team with what would come back in return (or so the apologists say). Not so coincidentally, your assertion that it would probably crack the top 5 worst Leafs trades list positively supports that my statement is anything but a strawman here.

Sometimes doing the "right thing" means letting what you thought was a "big" piece go. We can't assume that keeping him necessarily would be the "right thing".

Granted, he ain't going anywhere this season... but if the Leafs lose in the first round and he fails to show up again?

Hmmmm....
- mjones242

You posted a sarcastic and angry statement about Marner whom you clearly don't like and hey your opinion - you do you, that's cool.

Sure I've seen people post that Marner is a superstar (I kinda' think he fits the definition and was a 1st team all star but again my opinion) and I do think trading him would be a mistake and come back to bite them. Again my opinion and I reserve the right to change it and am willing to do so if warranted. I was a full on "trade Willy" guy after the first covid related playoffs. I am in no way, shape or form in that camp anymore based on the changes I saw in his game and performance last year and in the last playoffs. I'm hoping to see more playoff success for Mitch this year, I really think he is capable of it.

Let's not kid ourselves here though the "right thing" could be either to keep him or move him time will tell - I just happen to disagree with you on which is the right thing to do.

The use of terms like apologists and posting snarky and angry/ sarcastic comments towards those who disagree with your point of view is how things go sideways in here quite often in my opinion so I will do my absolute best not to do so and would ask the same in return.

As far as if Marner has a terrible playoff again sure, I think they have to reevaluate if he should stay or go, same for any of the core players who have failed to be successful in the playoffs as Marner isn't the only one who hasn't produced in the playoffs to the level they should/need to for the Leafs to have success.

I believe you are right that he won't be moved this year regardless so let's hope he ends up having a stellar year AND playoffs.

The constuct of this team may be completely flawed - many would argue it is, but the Habs last year essentially were constructed in a way that relied on unworldly goaltending and they got a cup final so there is hope teams can overcome perhaps not being constructed in away that we would all consider to be ideal.

I'm actually not sure what team you could say is? Tampa was heavily reliant on their cap 'management' for success, (I think that's undeniable) so who is the best 'constructed' team and how much success have they had?

The fun part (or maybe painful part) if finding out if your imperfectly constructed team can get the luck, hockey juju or whatever else they need to overcome and win!

If only Dubas could have known the cap freeze was on the horizon...
- mjones242

every other GM knew Covid would hit... How come Kyle Dubas didn't?

What a child he is... fIrE dUbAs

- TheMussel

This is disturbing me.