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granpa
Joined: 07.03.2015

Oct 22 @ 10:30 AM ET
What a mess everybody's playing his own game. No structure, no game plan, no creativity, terrible shot selection etc. but they will not be outworked. "HARD TO PLAY AGAINST".
BlueTaco
St Louis Blues
Location: st. peters mo, MO
Joined: 07.23.2021

Oct 22 @ 10:50 AM ET
looks like ottawa needs a top 6 forward per an article,

Tarasenko for Jake sanderson and 2022 2nd round pick
mkabbeko
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2013

Oct 22 @ 10:55 AM ET
He's has been at wing for a couple of years now, taking draws and filling in at C when needed. He looks revitalized so far this season, faster and shooting more often (a constant criticism from us Philly fans). I really don't expect him to go anywhere, this season or as a UFA.

But, you never know.

**quotes didn't work, per Giroux**
TDBSenatoR
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 09.28.2018

Oct 22 @ 11:08 AM ET
looks like ottawa needs a top 6 forward per an article,

Tarasenko for Jake sanderson and 2022 2nd round pick

- BlueTaco



More like Tarasenko + picks for Sanderson. If we trade Sanderson would like to get someone who will be in the lineup for at least half a season.

EDIT: what is with this strange rivalry between Blues and Sens involving the administrative side.
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Oct 22 @ 11:17 AM ET
looks like ottawa needs a top 6 forward per an article,

Tarasenko for Jake sanderson and 2022 2nd round pick

- BlueTaco

Have to laugh. After reading your post I was thinking there are probably going to be people in Ottawa who think your proposal is a good idea and sure enough...

The scary thing is that Pierre"Proudest Day of My Life" Dorion could very well be that dumb as well.

Another thing Ottawa needs is for that ape behind the bench to drive Chabot into the ground all year.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Oct 22 @ 11:29 AM ET
Have to laugh. After reading your post I was thinking there are probably going to be people in Ottawa who think your proposal is a good idea and sure enough...

The scary thing is that Pierre"Proudest Day of My Life" Dorion could very well be that dumb as well.

Another thing Ottawa needs is for that ape behind the bench to drive Chabot into the ground all year.

- Whatisavailable


I dont know. Rhe fact Dorion took Sanderson 5th overall makes me think hes very high on him, and would be hesitant to trade him.

Hes off to a good start this year too...
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Oct 22 @ 11:30 AM ET
What's with all these friggin pop up ads? I know you need to make a buck but sometimes I can't even type anything till they go away - or is that the idea?
optimus-reim
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.21.2011

Oct 22 @ 11:35 AM ET
Never been a fan of Kevin Francis.
This guy is the biggest troll ever. Why is the sky always falling? Why can't he report on the good things that are coming from this extremely young group of men?

What is the point of doing a line of cocaine before writing up your worst fears and thoughts in regards to a team you love?


It's called a rebuild and the fact that MAPLE LEAF fans had more patience with "the core" is indicative of how moronic these people are.
Trading Brannstrom? Terrible idea.
Trading Sanderson? The worst idea.


You guys really don't understand that if you all just supported the team then Melnyk could sell but by not doing the most simple thing of supporting your team you're creating a situation where Melnyk has literally no choice but to stay at the helm and micromanage until things work.

Support the team and when Melnyk goes cheap then we hit the billboards we hit the paper bags on our heads we hit the media and any platform plausible to force him out. The fact of the matter is that Melnyk will not sell the team until he gets an offer that us formidable and palatable. You forget that he's put thirty years into this.
Guys are acting like he owes you guys something meanwhile it was literally because of him that the Ottawa Senators exist.

So sick of this "whoa is me" horsepoop.
Dorian has done an admirable job drafting and developing and for 99.97% of fans in any sports environment they would be grateful and excited at the prospect of having a great team for the next years.


Grow up Kevin and the rest of you whiners. Go get laid or something and if you need to cry to a therapist about your hatred of Melnyk. This crap is more toxic than Melnyk being cheap.
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Oct 22 @ 11:39 AM ET
I dont know. Rhe fact Dorion took Sanderson 5th overall makes me think hes very high on him, and would be hesitant to trade him.

Hes off to a good start this year too...

- david22

You don't get too pairing D by trading for them. You get them by drafting and developing them.

You abolutely do not trade away a prospect that could very well be a number one D - ever!
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Oct 22 @ 12:15 PM ET
looks like ottawa needs a top 6 forward per an article,
Tarasenko for Jake sanderson and 2022 2nd round pick

- BlueTaco

Looks like you don't know when to stop posting your dumb-$hit ideas on other teams' boards. You're already a complete joke in these parts after your multi-month Tkachuk performance... don't make it worse.
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Oct 22 @ 12:40 PM ET
True! Connor Brown, Tim Stutzle still no goals......no offense from the blueline either.
- Kevin Francis

That's because Connor Brown is more of a #3RW, their 2nd best scoring D-man is sitting in Belleville, and they seem hell-bent on making Stutzle's 2nd season as difficult as possible in terms of quality linemates. They've let the "C" situation get so bad that every GM in the NHL just doubled their asking price. Given the injury to White, the guy they should have picked up from waivers was Derek Grant, who could at least eat some tough minutes and win some faceoffs... but it sounds like they may have picked up Alex Barre-Boulet (i.e. the "Victor Mete" of RW).

Don't get me wrong, I like Barre-Boulet well enough. I wrote a paragraph or two about him as a possible acquisition the first time he was on waivers, and it's quite possible they had put in a claim but got trumped by Seattle. It's not a great sign that he was already waived again, but he did have 1 point in 2GP. Plus, he's undeniably a high-skill winger, with a very solid pedigree (former QMJHL MVP/Leading Scorer, CHL Player of the Year, AHL Rookie of the Year). He's also a very affordable long-term option (signed for 3yrs @$0.75M), if they want to play him as more of a 4th line/PP specialist.

Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Oct 22 @ 1:56 PM ET
I don’t get the stopgap love for Derek Grant. He played over 17min against the Wild last week and was invisible and unable to win face offs against a Wild team that can’t win face offs. He is usually good at face offs though. Grant has 1 SOG in 4 games. Don’t think he’s long for the NHL. But what do I know.

HoweHatrick
Joined: 01.02.2014

Oct 22 @ 2:01 PM ET
looks like ottawa needs a top 6 forward per an article,

Tarasenko for Jake sanderson and 2022 2nd round pick

- BlueTaco


I didn't think you would be back after looking like an ass with your Brady predictions.

I see you have come back and got going right where you left off.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Oct 22 @ 2:10 PM ET
looks like ottawa needs a top 6 forward per an article,

Tarasenko for Jake sanderson and 2022 2nd round pick

- BlueTaco


How are those Brady predictions working out for you?
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Oct 22 @ 2:13 PM ET
Per Chris Johnston, ABB reclaimed by Tampa.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Oct 22 @ 2:18 PM ET
Never been a fan of Kevin Francis.
This guy is the biggest troll ever. Why is the sky always falling? Why can't he report on the good things that are coming from this extremely young group of men?

What is the point of doing a line of cocaine before writing up your worst fears and thoughts in regards to a team you love?


It's called a rebuild and the fact that MAPLE LEAF fans had more patience with "the core" is indicative of how moronic these people are.
Trading Brannstrom? Terrible idea.
Trading Sanderson? The worst idea.


You guys really don't understand that if you all just supported the team then Melnyk could sell but by not doing the most simple thing of supporting your team you're creating a situation where Melnyk has literally no choice but to stay at the helm and micromanage until things work.

Support the team and when Melnyk goes cheap then we hit the billboards we hit the paper bags on our heads we hit the media and any platform plausible to force him out. The fact of the matter is that Melnyk will not sell the team until he gets an offer that us formidable and palatable. You forget that he's put thirty years into this.
Guys are acting like he owes you guys something meanwhile it was literally because of him that the Ottawa Senators exist.

So sick of this "whoa is me" horsepoop.
Dorian has done an admirable job drafting and developing and for 99.97% of fans in any sports environment they would be grateful and excited at the prospect of having a great team for the next years.


Grow up Kevin and the rest of you whiners. Go get laid or something and if you need to cry to a therapist about your hatred of Melnyk. This crap is more toxic than Melnyk being cheap.

- optimus-reim

While most of this is over the top, I have chatted with people about team support over the years and a dilemma occurs. If Melnyk is public enemy #1 and you chose not to support him but are a true fan of the team, by not supporting Melnyk directly impacts supporting the team. Makes you think and you’re in between a rock and hard place.

It’s almost like both sides are waiting for the other to crack. Will Melynk ante up more to ensure this team is successful or will fans just start to enjoy the on-ice product again. If you only look at the last couple of months, Melnyk should probably be given some props for inking guys like Brady and Batherson to long-term deals. Something that wasn’t done for the likes of Stone and Karlson. Fans on the other hand haven’t done much this season to show off support but did develop the “sicko” movement last year during a time where entertaining hockey was at an all-time low.

But alas, it truly is difficult to be a fan where money is always a question mark. Some franchises have it and some don’t. I don’t think it’s unfair to say fans of teams such as the Leafs, Rangers, Habs, etc don’t fully understand the predicament other teams face on a year-to-year basis.
Brandon
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 09.29.2005

Oct 22 @ 2:54 PM ET
Never been a fan of Kevin Francis.
This guy is the biggest troll ever. Why is the sky always falling? Why can't he report on the good things that are coming from this extremely young group of men?

What is the point of doing a line of cocaine before writing up your worst fears and thoughts in regards to a team you love?


It's called a rebuild and the fact that MAPLE LEAF fans had more patience with "the core" is indicative of how moronic these people are.
Trading Brannstrom? Terrible idea.
Trading Sanderson? The worst idea.


You guys really don't understand that if you all just supported the team then Melnyk could sell but by not doing the most simple thing of supporting your team you're creating a situation where Melnyk has literally no choice but to stay at the helm and micromanage until things work.

Support the team and when Melnyk goes cheap then we hit the billboards we hit the paper bags on our heads we hit the media and any platform plausible to force him out. The fact of the matter is that Melnyk will not sell the team until he gets an offer that us formidable and palatable. You forget that he's put thirty years into this.
Guys are acting like he owes you guys something meanwhile it was literally because of him that the Ottawa Senators exist.


So sick of this "whoa is me" horsepoop.
Dorian has done an admirable job drafting and developing and for 99.97% of fans in any sports environment they would be grateful and excited at the prospect of having a great team for the next years.


Grow up Kevin and the rest of you whiners. Go get laid or something and if you need to cry to a therapist about your hatred of Melnyk. This crap is more toxic than Melnyk being cheap.

- optimus-reim


Too much incorrect info with this, and not enough time so I'll just go with the
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Oct 22 @ 2:58 PM ET
I don’t get the stopgap love for Derek Grant. He played over 17min against the Wild last week and was invisible and unable to win face offs against a Wild team that can’t win face offs. He is usually good at face offs though. Grant has 1 SOG in 4 games. Don’t think he’s long for the NHL. But what do I know.
- Minnyhock

Nobody's suggesting that Grant is a great player... but he's at least got NHL experience, and can handle a 3rd/4th line role with PK time. Right now, they're basically down to Norris/Tierney as their NHL-quality C depth, with Paul as a kind of quasi-stopgap. Mike Amadio would have been a far preferable option, for instance... but that inexplicably fell apart over the summer. Basically, they've had a clear-cut need for a C during the entire off-season, and managed to do sweet F-all about it. Now they've really found themselves in a bind, just 4 games in no less. That's almost an achievement, when you consider how many more viable options were on the table in the off-season, plus the whole Logan Brown fiasco.
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Oct 22 @ 3:29 PM ET
Did Tampa have precedence over Ottawa in claiming Barré Boulet? Given injuries and lack of C depth it seems insane Ottawa would pass on him.
Beergu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: AB
Joined: 08.15.2008

Oct 22 @ 3:45 PM ET
Did Tampa have precedence over Ottawa in claiming Barré Boulet? Given injuries and lack of C depth it seems insane Ottawa would pass on him.
- Bartacus


Team that loses player to waivers always has first dibs if player is waived again, I believe.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Oct 22 @ 3:47 PM ET
Nobody's suggesting that Grant is a great player... but he's at least got NHL experience, and can handle a 3rd/4th line role with PK time. Right now, they're basically down to Norris/Tierney as their NHL-quality C depth, with Paul as a kind of quasi-stopgap. Mike Amadio would have been a far preferable option, for instance... but that inexplicably fell apart over the summer. Basically, they've had a clear-cut need for a C during the entire off-season, and managed to do sweet F-all about it. Now they've really found themselves in a bind, just 4 games in no less. That's almost an achievement, when you consider how many more viable options were on the table in the off-season, plus the whole Logan Brown fiasco.
- khawk


That was a mistake not getting a C during the off season. I just think Grant is a warm body and it’s desperation going after him. Don’t see how he would be serviceable as a 3C but maybe a less than adequate 4C. But I can’t suggest a good alternative either. Tough position to be in.

Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Oct 22 @ 3:52 PM ET
Team that loses player to waivers always has first dibs if player is waived again, I believe.
- Beergu

Haven't seen it happen in a while, but that's a pretty good rule, if true... prevents just random poaching of depth talent by teams with no intention of actually providing an NHL roster spot to the player.

Of course, no sooner did I write that then it immediately occurred to me that it's an easy way for a team like Tampa Bay to avoid losing roster talent... if they effectively had an understanding with Seattle to make a 'bogus' claim, so TB could just reclaim him and send him down without ever actually risking losing him. Given the extent to which TB played the salary cap like a fiddle last year, I don't put much beyond Brisebois in terms of roster creativity.
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Oct 22 @ 4:00 PM ET
Haven't seen it happen in a while, but that's a pretty good rule, if true... prevents just random poaching of depth talent by teams with no intention of actually providing an NHL roster spot to the player.
- khawk


...true, but then given how Seattle barely looked at the player, it almost seems like there could be some behind the scenes collusion by TB/Sea to get him back and able to clear waivers to play in Syracuse. Perhaps conspiracy theory, but put into context: Kraken putting ABB on waivers means they honestly feel Riley Sheahan has greater upside to their team than ABB could. I think it's fine to allow the original team to pass the player down to the minors without penalty, but giving them first dibs to reclaim a player they dropped is ludicrously team friendly. I would think it'd make more sense from a player's side to have the waiver priority aligned with either current or previous year's standings so they actually get a chance to play in the NHL as opposed to getting reclaimed and sent to the minors by the team that originally waived them. That said, if I learned anything about Brisebois last year, it's to never count him out when it comes to gaming the cap/CBA.
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Oct 22 @ 4:13 PM ET
I'm a little surprised that no one has suggested giving Stutzle a crack at the C position if it's not going to totally screw him up somehow.

Smith said Pinto won't be out long so it would seem like a good time to try things out.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 22 @ 5:13 PM ET


But alas, it truly is difficult to be a fan where money is always a question mark. Some franchises have it and some don’t. I don’t think it’s unfair to say fans of teams such as the Leafs, Rangers, Habs, etc don’t fully understand the predicament other teams face on a year-to-year basis.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0



Having money as a team is not always what it's cracked up to be. The team I root for the Flyers, currently is a team that is pretty much capped out. I think they'll be a good team but not a contender. The worst spot you can be in this league as a team is to be capped out but not good enough. Having cap space and a good prospect base is a good spot to be in. Sometimes having a shrewd GM who drafts well and makes smart moves is better than team that just spends to the cap.
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