Very few franchises in any sport would be as patient as the Blackhawks are being with JC. Can you imagine the Yankees putting up with this for so long? The Red Sox? The Lakers or Celtics? Likely they wouldn’t have hired him in the first place, given his lack of experience as a HC in North America.

It’s time for JC to go.
- scottak

Plenty of guys have been hired without experience. It's not necessarily a marker for success or failure. Yankees hired Boone out of the pressbox, Counsell, Servais, Matheny also had no prior experience of any kind.
Doc Rivers, Jason Kidd, Derek Fisher, Mark Jackson, ML Carr, just a few examples of NBA coaches with no prior experience.

The Blackhawks patience was explained away because though JC is in year 4, the first year he came in part way thru, the 2nd and 3rd were Covid exceptions, this season there should be no excuses.

Whomever made the decision to abandon the rebuild and go all in by acquiring Jones, McCabe, Fleury, etc. has to have had the expectation that results would be better. Mix that with the fact that ticket sales and season tickets are down and I would hope patience is a little thin. If it was Wirtz I would think the patience wears out quicker, if it was Bowman probably longer.

Marc Bergevin may be available at the end of this season. He has yet to extend with the Habs.
- Rota's Rooter

I have no problem with Bergevin, but what exactly has he won in his 10 years in MTL?

I never understood why Ted Nolan never gets a shot at HC somewhere?
- eagle50

He was quite successful but I think he was blackballed? Not sure why but with his successes with Buffalo should have given him other opportunities. I know he had a run in with Domink Hasek and perhaps that gave him a bad reputation?

Thank you Theo for a fine read.

Excluding Marc Crawford (who I would not want to be the next coach), who do you think would be named the next coach? Do you think a GM would be named first so he can pick his coach? With some of the negative press the organization has had, do you think they might go in the direction of hiring a minority coach just to counter some of that bad press? Or possibly a coach with Native American ties?

If I had my choice, I would like then to hire an experienced NHL GM and let him hire his coach. But no one from the organ-I-zation has asked me yet.
- powerenforcer

Interesting points. When the Hawks failed with Q as a coach, the assistants paid the price. Haviland, Kompon, Kitchen all were sacrifices, Dineen and Samuelsson, gone when Q was launched. 3 years of mediocre play yet Crawford, Brookbanks and Mitel survive.

Interesting points. When the Hawks failed with Q as a coach, the assistants paid the price. Haviland, Kompon, Kitchen all were sacrifices, Dineen and Samuelsson, gone when Q was launched. 3 years of mediocre play yet Crawford, Brookbanks and Mitel survive.
- TheTrob

Bring back Barry Smith? Isn't he coaching in the Swedish league? didn't he baby sit JC when he first was hired? I know he is a close protoge of Scotty's, with 5 SC's as Scotty's assistant in Pittsburgh and Detroit.

I have no problem with Bergevin, but what exactly has he won in his 10 years in MTL?
- TheTrob

Nothing. I wasn't endorsing him or giving him a thumbs down.

PE suggested a GM with NHL experience and I simply mentioned he may be available.

I'm sure you'd find supporters and detractors of everyone that's available.

Interesting points. When the Hawks failed with Q as a coach, the assistants paid the price. Haviland, Kompon, Kitchen all were sacrifices, Dineen and Samuelsson, gone when Q was launched. 3 years of mediocre play yet Crawford, Brookbanks and Mitel survive.
- TheTrob

There's no power struggle to be had between Stanley and JC. That's the difference. It's like the deja vu of when Jerry Krause wanted to prove he could win with his own players and personnel, because he would never get the credit he though he deserved, since he didn't draft MJ.

Bring back Barry Smith? Isn't he coaching in the Swedish league? didn't he baby sit JC when he first was hired? I know he is a close protoge of Scotty's, with 5 SC's as Scotty's assistant in Pittsburgh and Detroit.
- LAHawk

If the team isn’t interested in a retread who in College or Junior looks viable? Some posters don’t think the Hunters would want to unless given the whole thing, VP, GM and coach. I’m not interested in the Sutters from Red Deer. What about Bob Boughner from Windsor?

If the team isn’t interested in a retread who in College or Junior looks viable? Some posters don’t think the Hunters would want to unless given the whole thing, VP, GM and coach. I’m not interested in the Sutters from Red Deer. What about Bob Boughner from Windsor?
- paulr

How about Chris Lamoriello, Lou's son. he currently is assistant GM of the Isle's, been a scout, director of player personnel. Obviously, the lineage is there, plus he has been successful on his own.

There's no power struggle to be had between Stanley and JC. That's the difference. It's like the deja vu of when Jerry Krause wanted to prove he could win with his own players and personnel, because he would never get the credit he though he deserved, since he didn't draft MJ.
- 333inthe3rd

Yeah, no power struggle. JC is thankful he has a job making NHL coin and probably the same with Mitell and Brookbank. None of them are gonna rock the boat. Considering both Mitell and Brookbank are listed as Defensive coaches and that seems to be the biggest weakness over the last several seasons, how and why do they survive? Waites track record with the goalies over the years has been pretty good given the mess in front of them.

How about Chris Lamoriello, Lou's son. he currently is assistant GM of the Isle's, been a scout, director of player personnel. Obviously, the lineage is there, plus he has been successful on his own.
- LAHawk

I’m sure the Isles would make him available, assuming there isn’t an head coaching opening expected there. I imagine there are other NHL assistant coaches who are qualified. I just don’t want to see Torts or Hitch or anyone of that ilk who brings the baggage, and the trap.

You cannot compare Yankees/MLB system of player acquisition to the NHLs.

Call me over-optimistic, but I am really looking forward to what the Blackhawk team brings tonight.

Since I am completely of the opinion that Marc Crawford would be the rest off the season solution, I want JC here to go down with the ship or right it.

Lots of legs are not at competing at NHL levels on the team and the time to shake that off is SOON.

A year away displays a slower Tazer, and time / games /conditioning will improve.

You have an inexperienced kid at one of the pivots, HIS position, the one the Florida Panthers impatiently moved him out of to wing. Do you let Nikki Borgström play and develop, or send him down and further crush confidence you had to give him his roster spot?

Do we let him try and improve or make a change b/c we want to "compete" for the Stanley Cup next Spring?

You can continue the rebuild every one else is calling a change to a now competition team...I think we see that the new anchor pieces are there and the rebuild continue...I am not sure ANY news coach changes that reality.

You cannot compare Yankees/MLB system of player acquisition to the NHLs.

Call me over-optimistic, but I am really looking forward to what the Blackhawk team brings tonight.

Since I am completely of the opinion that Marc Crawford would be the rest off the season solution, I want JC here to go down with the ship or right it.

Lots of legs are not at competing at NHL levels on the team and the time to shake that off is SOON.

A year away displays a slower Tazer, and time / games /conditioning will improve.

You have an inexperienced kid at one of the pivots, HIS position, the one the Florida Panthers impatiently moved him out of to wing. Do you let Nikki Borgström play and develop, or send him down and further crush confidence you had to give him his roster spot?

Do we let him try and improve or make a change b/c we want to "compete" for the Stanley Cup next Spring?

You can continue the rebuild every one else is calling a change to a now competition team...I think we see that the new anchor pieces are there and the rebuild continue...I ma not sure ANY news coach changes that reality.
- wiz1901

I'm pretty sure he has to pass through waivers. I would assume they are pretty happy with his play overall. Just needs to clean up the turnovers. He battle along the wall and wins his share, and he has great hands and instincts. I think he's in the lineup going forward.

Thank you Theo for a fine read.

Excluding Marc Crawford (who I would not want to be the next coach), who do you think would be named the next coach? Do you think a GM would be named first so he can pick his coach? With some of the negative press the organization has had, do you think they might go in the direction of hiring a minority coach just to counter some of that bad press? Or possibly a coach with Native American ties?

If I had my choice, I would like then to hire an experienced NHL GM and let him hire his coach. But no one from the organ-I-zation has asked me yet.
- powerenforcer

I know he's not popular but I would think Marc Crawford would get consideration as at least the interim and wouldn't doubt if Derek King gets bumped up from Rockford to be an assistant in Chicago if not possibly on the short list for interim.

The Trob mentioned this in another post how Sheldon Brookbank and Tomas Mitell are in charge of the defense. Brookbank also helps with the PK but Crawford manages both special teams which so far this young season are strengths.

If Jeremy Colliton gets canned, I would imagine at least Mitell goes with him, too. Brookbank could get preserved especially if Crawford is retained.

This isn't to say I would want Crawford long term.

Outside the organization, eagle50 mentioned Ted Nolan. He would be one to consider. People rave about him yet he's been on some proverbial "do not hire" list for whatever reason.

I know he's not popular but I would think Marc Crawford would get consideration as at least the interim and wouldn't doubt if Derek King gets bumped up from Rockford to be an assistant in Chicago if not possibly on the short list for interim.

The Trob mentioned this in another post how Sheldon Brookbank and Tomas Mitell are in charge of the defense. Brookbank also helps with the PK but Crawford manages both special teams which so far this young season are strengths.

If Jeremy Colliton gets canned, I would imagine at least Mitell goes with him, too. Brookbank could get preserved especially if Crawford is retained.

This isn't to say I would want Crawford long term.

Outside the organization, eagle50 mentioned Ted Nolan. He would be one to consider. People rave about him yet he's been on some proverbial "do not hire" list for whatever reason.
- Theo Fox

If the Hawks (Danny) decides that the new coach (if it is not interim) is coming from outside the organization, I think a new GM (with Stan staying as President) would be hired first.

If the Hawks (Danny) decides that the new coach (if it is not interim) is coming from outside the organization, I think a new GM (with Stan staying as President) would be hired first.
- LAHawk

That's likely true. I didn't address that part of PE's question so thank you for sharing that thought.

If the Hawks (Danny) decides that the new coach (if it is not interim) is coming from outside the organization, I think a new GM (with Stan staying as President) would be hired first.
- LAHawk

I think you are correct.

(I am in Hollywood right now.LA Hawk)

I know he's not popular but I would think Marc Crawford would get consideration as at least the interim and wouldn't doubt if Derek King gets bumped up from Rockford to be an assistant in Chicago if not possibly on the short list for interim.

The Trob mentioned this in another post how Sheldon Brookbank and Tomas Mitell are in charge of the defense. Brookbank also helps with the PK but Crawford manages both special teams which so far this young season are strengths.

If Jeremy Colliton gets canned, I would imagine at least Mitell goes with him, too. Brookbank could get preserved especially if Crawford is retained.

This isn't to say I would want Crawford long term.

Outside the organization, eagle50 mentioned Ted Nolan. He would be one to consider. People rave about him yet he's been on some proverbial "do not hire" list for whatever reason.
- Theo Fox

He’s a member of the Ojibwe Tribe, so First Nation - that would be a diversity plus.

I haven’t any specific incident for why he would be on a “do not hire” list, but he seems to have had issue with management / ownership in places.

I know he's not popular but I would think Marc Crawford would get consideration as at least the interim and wouldn't doubt if Derek King gets bumped up from Rockford to be an assistant in Chicago if not possibly on the short list for interim.

The Trob mentioned this in another post how Sheldon Brookbank and Tomas Mitell are in charge of the defense. Brookbank also helps with the PK but Crawford manages both special teams which so far this young season are strengths.

If Jeremy Colliton gets canned, I would imagine at least Mitell goes with him, too. Brookbank could get preserved especially if Crawford is retained.

This isn't to say I would want Crawford long term.

Outside the organization, eagle50 mentioned Ted Nolan. He would be one to consider. People rave about him yet he's been on some proverbial "do not hire" list for whatever reason.
- Theo Fox

Brookbank is a disaster as defensive coach. The Hawks lack at every metric of defensive play since he has been the D coach. We need actual coaches and not internal promotions or fun names fans recognize. Colliton is arguably a top five worst coach in the league, maybe he’ll be good some day but he refuses to adapt his awful man to man system. It’s no surprise that Keith wanted out after three years of trying this euro league nonsense, and Seabrook also probably has few fond memories of ‘the system’. I’ll give him credit for having any system at all, because Ulf Samuelsson was a pure embarrassment who thought maybe 80s goon play was a viable option.

When you have 3 one-dimensional slow D men, one retread who couldn’t stop a curling rock, and whatever Stillman is becoming, you can’t afford to chase guys out to the blue line and leave the crease unattended. Our forwards aren’t going to cover for Murphy when he skates 2 mph to the blue line and falls. These pylon dmen would actually be effective and staying in their zone and guarding the net front, but Colliton thinks otherwise. Get a real coach like Julien or Boudreau, and dump all the rest besides Crawford and Waite.

Strome finally draws in replacing Kurashev. Carpenter is in for Hardman.

Gaudette and Kurashev scratched. Hardman still out with head injury.

Lankinen gets the start tonight in net.

I think you are correct.

(I am in Hollywood right now.LA Hawk)
- wiz1901

Sightseeing?

Strome finally draws in replacing Kurashev. Carpenter is in for Hardman.

Gaudette and Kurashev scratched. Hardman still out with head injury.

Lankinen gets the start tonight in net.
- Theo Fox

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Strome finally draws in replacing Kurashev. Carpenter is in for Hardman.

Gaudette and Kurashev scratched. Hardman still out with head injury.

Lankinen gets the start tonight in net.
- Theo Fox

Our long national nightmare is over!!

Dylan has promised that once he plays he will make it impossible to sit him again. Here's his shot.

Brookbank is a disaster as defensive coach. The Hawks lack at every metric of defensive play since he has been the D coach. We need actual coaches and not internal promotions or fun names fans recognize. Colliton is arguably a top five worst coach in the league, maybe he’ll be good some day but he refuses to adapt his awful man to man system. It’s no surprise that Keith wanted out after three years of trying this euro league nonsense, and Seabrook also probably has few fond memories of ‘the system’. I’ll give him credit for having any system at all, because Ulf Samuelsson was a pure embarrassment who thought maybe 80s goon play was a viable option.

When you have 3 one-dimensional slow D men, one retread who couldn’t stop a curling rock, and whatever Stillman is becoming, you can’t afford to chase guys out to the blue line and leave the crease unattended. Our forwards aren’t going to cover for Murphy when he skates 2 mph to the blue line and falls. These pylon dmen would actually be effective and staying in their zone and guarding the net front, but Colliton thinks otherwise. Get a real coach like Julien or Boudreau, and dump all the rest besides Crawford and Waite.
- ObeseOprah

Firstly, good to see you posting again. I haven't seen your distinctive Naruto avatar in a while.

Personally I wouldn't retain Brookbank either and prefer they just clean house with the coaches. If they are to do an internal hire, do it for the interim basis only which is why I wouldn't mind King.

The assistant and player development staff in Rockford can hold down the fort well enough if King is temporarily reassigned, i.e. Sorensen, Coyne-Schofield, Campbell, and Kunitz.

Firstly, good to see you posting again. I haven't seen your distinctive Naruto avatar in a while.

Personally I wouldn't retain Brookbank either and prefer they just clean house with the coaches. If they are to do an internal hire, do it for the interim basis only which is why I wouldn't mind King.

The assistant and player development staff in Rockford can hold down the fort well enough if King is temporarily reassigned, i.e. Sorensen, Coyne-Schofield, Campbell, and Kunitz.
- Theo Fox

Serious woke points if she's appointed coach of Rockford! She seems to have the background.