This all smells of the Wirtz's losing money during the pandemic and being cheap/cutting costs

All the "re-org", getting rid of off ice product. Hiring this cheap staff rather than paying a competent one...all while being valued at 1.36 billion

They won't trade 19&88 as they are the only draw to the stadium at this point.

They'll lock up 12 long term to the 10mil dollar deal and the next 10yrs will be the McD/Cubs blueprint of marketing, marketing, marketing.....when it was winning that matters
- PatShart

Agree with the bolded. Win or look good trying is all it takes to sustain the fan base.

No, you’re the one getting bent. I never once stated the reason the hawks failed was because of him. Seth Jones was a horrible decision to make him our #1 dman. I believe I have been carrying that narrative since he was trade to us.

And yes the team was better last year without him. So, I believe I have proven my point.
- Diamondhands

You have proven one thing for sure.

They just need somebody who is going to hold veterans accountable for mistakes. Want to change the culture of losing? Start holding EVERYONE accountable for bone headed mistakes.

Exhibit A...2-1 game late in the 2nd and a guy who has been scratched since the preseason takes a lazy, dumb offensive zone penalty......leads to another NECESSARY penalty or else it was a back door tap in...and boom.....3-1 heading into intermission.

perfect time to bench Strome for at least a shift, if not multiple...yet there he is skating around.

that to me is a perfectly OK to question Collition on. Strome isn't a rookie....it's not a teaching moment....he knows better, and should have been held accountable.
- SteveRain

Yah, it's all that easy and we would be 5-0.

They just need somebody who is going to hold veterans accountable for mistakes. Want to change the culture of losing? Start holding EVERYONE accountable for bone headed mistakes.

Exhibit A...2-1 game late in the 2nd and a guy who has been scratched since the preseason takes a lazy, dumb offensive zone penalty......leads to another NECESSARY penalty or else it was a back door tap in...and boom.....3-1 heading

perfect time to bench Strome for at least a shift, if not multiple...yet there he is skating around.

that to me is a perfectly OK to question Collition on. Strome isn't a rookie....it's not a teaching moment....he knows better, and should have been held accountable.
- SteveRain

I don't think it is against hockeybuzz rules to say this about your post: " Amen ."

Blackhawks need a new Hallelujah. Unfortunately they need a heart transplant. Some players don't loke the system so they find a way to get the coach fired. For too long Kane and company had too much pull or influence.

I won't bag in 19 or 88 anymore. Regardless of their play or pay

They gave me the best 10yrs of hockey in CHI I thought I'd never see (late 40's here)

This is all Wirtz's being Wirtz's. They were blessed by hitting the 19-88 lottery. Those 2 made them billionaires in hockey and relevant.

But let's face it - name a CHI ownership group that's competent?

These MFers keep Bowman. USA Hockey, is too far in with the Bowman name. If they didnt relieve him of his duties this summer, they are scared of him/he runs the org.

I fully expect another 40yrs of Wirtz crap and simply thank the players left that gave us those 10 kick ass years

Maybe re-read your posts, Chief. Somebody says something negative about Seth, and you react like he's your relative.

C'mon man.
- mohel

Nah...I am exhausted by the fact that many on here view these 1st round draft picks as SURE locks....as I spent time, actually twice on occasion, showing otherwise that said picks have just as a likely a chance to NOT pan out as they do to pan out for said organization.....and Bowman and his hockey ops have taken numerous chances over the years taking fliers on retread 1st round picks that didnt pan out for other organizations.

Not only that, but what 1st round pick has Bowman hit on as of late that gives us confidence that said other picks will haunt this organization? DeBrincat? Sure....Dach and Reichel....no idea yet. Who else? Sure, some were traded away to win now and some were drafted towards the bottom due to the franchise winning.

Instead of the trade being met with wait and see....it was viewed as a franchise crushing move because JFresh analytics pissed on him.....so I guess JFresh should be the end all be all for analyzing who to go after. I am AMAZED JFresh isn't hired by a NHL team....major miss by all 32 NHL Franchises.

This team needed to get young on the back end with some PROVEN NHL talent and with Keith asking out.....Stan took his shot.

Guy has played 5 games.....I am not saying he's a god or a sure fire HOF, but I will let it play out a bit before I say he's awful and that the remaining 7 years I am going to hate watching him play.....

And no....he's not THE reason they are losing right now.....he's part of the reason as much as Dach or DeBrincat or Kane or Toews or Murphy is......this team is NOT scoring 5 on 5 and looks lifeless.

McCabe is new, Fleury is new, Johnson is new.....where is the vile and constant bashing of them.....oh yeah...doesn't fit the narrative.....

Then analyze the team and stop going after one skater.

Jones has just had two pretty good games - he seems to be settling in after starting out as poorly as everyone else.

Kane’s injury, whatever it is - yes - it didn’t get better while he played thru it last season, it didn’t get better after a summer off, it hadn’t gotten better playing with it this season….Maybe surgery is required, maybe surgery isn’t possible and it will never get better….In any case, he’s not providing his expected production.

Same with Toews - no points in 5 games. If his past is much better than his probable future, perhaps he shouldn’t be playing top-6 center minutes.

Kubalik is 0+0=0skating 5x5 (he has a 6x5 goal)
Dach is 1+1=2 (the only meaningful 5x5 goal so far)
Entwistle is 1+0=1
Murphy is 1+0=1
Hagel is 0+2=2
Kane, Gustafsson, Jones each have 1 assist 5x5
Toews and deBrincat have bupkis 5x5

If this year’s team is worse than last year’s (and it shouldn’t be), it’s absurd to think that’s it’s because of Jones, as you imply.
- StLBravesFan

Correct, we have no dangerous Forwards, Ok two (Dach and DeBrinkat) Kubalik is a "one trick pony" he doesn't carry and possess the puck. Two does not a team make. Offense is the problem.

Nah...I am exhausted by the fact that many on here view these 1st round draft picks as SURE locks....as I spent time, actually twice on occasion, showing otherwise that said picks have just as a likely a chance to NOT pan out as they do to pan out for said organization.....and Bowman and his hockey ops have taken numerous chances over the years taking fliers on retread 1st round picks that didnt pan out for other organizations.

Not only that, but what 1st round pick has Bowman hit on as of late that gives us confidence that said other picks will haunt this organization? DeBrincat? Sure....Dach and Reichel....no idea yet. Who else? Sure, some were traded away to win now and some were drafted towards the bottom due to the franchise winning.

Instead of the trade being met with wait and see....it was viewed as a franchise crushing move because JFresh analytics pissed on him.....so I guess JFresh should be the end all be all for analyzing who to go after. I am AMAZED JFresh isn't hired by a NHL team....major miss by all 32 NHL Franchises.

This team needed to get young on the back end with some PROVEN NHL talent and with Keith asking out.....Stan took his shot.

Guy has played 5 games.....I am not saying he's a god or a sure fire HOF, but I will let it play out a bit before I say he's awful and that the remaining 7 years I am going to hate watching him play.....

And no....he's not THE reason they are losing right now.....he's part of the reason as much as Dach or DeBrincat or Kane or Toews or Murphy is......this team is NOT scoring 5 on 5 and looks lifeless.

McCabe is new, Fleury is new, Johnson is new.....where is the vile and constant bashing of them.....oh yeah...doesn't fit the narrative.....
- SteveRain

Fyi, I'm a Seth supporter.....

In the words of the great Orval Tessier:

Chicago players need "heart transplants"
- LAHawk

At the Mayo clinic. That comment was a CLM (career limiting move)

While some of this is on the coaching staff the players are lucky the team can’t fire a bunch of them.

Fyi, I'm a Seth supporter.....
- mohel

I’m an athletic supporter.

Who ya got: Torts or Crawford as a JC replacement?
- Assman22

I have absolutely no clue who would replace JC. The challenging part is that the pool of coaches that are better than JC is just so huge.

Ty posted on Twitter that Tony Granato would be a good option and I agree. He's currently coaching in the NCAA so I'm not sure how feasible an in-season change would be for him (assuming he'd want the job).

They just need somebody who is going to hold veterans accountable for mistakes. Want to change the culture of losing? Start holding EVERYONE accountable for bone headed mistakes.

Exhibit A...2-1 game late in the 2nd and a guy who has been scratched since the preseason takes a lazy, dumb offensive zone penalty......leads to another NECESSARY penalty or else it was a back door tap in...and boom.....3-1 heading into intermission.

perfect time to bench Strome for at least a shift, if not multiple...yet there he is skating around.

that to me is a perfectly OK to question Collition on. Strome isn't a rookie....it's not a teaching moment....he knows better, and should have been held accountable.
- SteveRain

If you are going to bench the "veterans" for lazy , you would have no more than 3 forwards right now who would play, Hagel, Dach, ADB, and I will throw in Borgstrom in that group. The rest have all consistently (this year) made dumb passes, coasted, not win board battles, don't back check hard, etc. Kubalik lost every board battle in the defensive zone yesterday, and made some very poor outlet passes. I see him being traded at the deadline, because I sure wouldn't give him the $5-$6 million a year he is going to want for a very one dimensional player.

Yah, it's all that easy and we would be 5-0.
- rpeters01

That's a start....so is guy's simplfying their games....anyone who has played hockey and goes through a stretch is told.....go back to the basics....small battles over time lead to the war being won.

This team is starting to press more and more.....and so far refuses to do the necessary things that work to get goals 5 on 5.

I am not saying it's all on JC.....hes not helping, but i also think it's VERY FAIR to question the leadership in that room.....they have been competitive for how many periods out of 16 (including OT vs New Jersey)....maybe half at best? They get down, teams take their foot off the gas, hawks make a small push, and then get squashed down again...happened vs Colorado, Pittsburgh, Islanders, and last night.

Thought for SURE they had enough talent to contend for the playoffs this year....so far that is proving to be a mirage.

I have absolutely no clue who would replace JC. The challenging part is that the pool of coaches that are better than JC is just so huge.

Ty posted on Twitter that Tony Granato would be a good option and I agree. He's currently coaching in the NCAA so I'm not sure how feasible an in-season change would be for him (assuming he'd want the job).
- DarthKane

I would honestly go with David Quinn who got canned in the front office shuffle that the Rangers did.

If you are going to bench the "veterans" for lazy , you would have no more than 3 forwards right now who would play, Hagel, Dach, ADB, and I will throw in Borgstrom in that group. The rest have all consistently (this year) made dumb passes, coasted, not win board battles, don't back check hard, etc. Kubalik lost every board battle in the defensive zone yesterday, and made some very poor outlet passes. I see him being traded at the deadline, because I sure wouldn't give him the $5-$6 million a year he is going to want for a very one dimensional player.
- LAHawk

I don't disagree and again I point to that November night in 2008 in Phoenix when Q benched Sharp and Kane for making stupid plays. Got the attention not only of the both them but everyone else....and I don't recall any other major contributor/star being benched.

I don't disagree with everyone else you listed and I agree on 3 of 4 players you listed.

I am just saying when an opportunity presents itself that completely flips the tide of the game, ti needs to be done.

one of my MAJOR hot buttons with JC is their is no accountability with the players on the team. None. What is the one thing EVERY Player wants? More ice time....What is one of the many things JC has control over? Ice time.

Have the Hawks scheduled the press conference yet? It's getting a bit crowded here.

Fyi, I'm a Seth supporter.....
- mohel

Great....welcome to the club.

I have ZERO issue pointing out when he's wrong.....but to go into a season having him not even played a second and deem it a horrible trade....yeah, doesn't make sense to me regardless of all the charts JFresh wants to throw out there.

Outside of a very select few, 1%, of all the long term deals, teams realize players won't be worth it at the end.

is Toews worth his 10.5 cap hit right now? Not a chance in hell. Was he for a few years after he signed it? Yep and nobody can say it was a horrible deal by Bowman.

I don't disagree and again I point to that November night in 2008 in Phoenix when Q benched Sharp and Kane for making stupid plays. Got the attention not only of the both them but everyone else....and I don't recall any other major contributor/star being benched.

I don't disagree with everyone else you listed and I agree on 3 of 4 players you listed.

I am just saying when an opportunity presents itself that completely flips the tide of the game, ti needs to be done.

one of my MAJOR hot buttons with JC is their is no accountability with the players on the team. None. What is the one thing EVERY Player wants? More ice time....What is one of the many things JC has control over? Ice time.
- SteveRain

I totally agree with you. Ice time is always the best motivator, and you are right JC (except for one or two) never holds a player accountable. That is why I think the team is just listless, there is no consequence to missing an assignment, not working hard in the corners, etc. etc. And it is also time enough for Stan to hold his head coach accountable.

Have the Hawks scheduled the press conference yet? It's getting a bit crowded here.


- Rota's Rooter

I am a numbers guy by trade....

If you take a schedule and break it into 8 segments of 10....you usually need 96 points to qualify for the dance.

12 per segment.

Hawks have 1 point through their 1st segment of 8......teams go through stretches but I would feel a helluva lot better if we were losing 4-3 each night vs blowouts and being very flat, and very "going through the motions" for large stretches.

They need a shot to go off somebody's ass and in....and maybe that starts the climb out of the hole they are quickly digging

I totally agree with you. Ice time is always the best motivator, and you are right JC (except for one or two) never holds a player accountable. That is why I think the team is just listless, there is no consequence to missing an assignment, not working hard in the corners, etc. etc. And it is also time enough for Stan to hold his head coach accountable.
- LAHawk

100%

I texted a few family members how many 50/50 puck battles does this team win a game? Very few. Even on the empty netter while still on the expiring power, they had more guys down there vs Vancouver, yet Vancouver pokes it out to their guy, and he chips it out to a guy out of the box....and it's 4-1.

That's where I just feel many of us who question players efforts, coaching, etc.....and while others what to paint that as ledge jumpers, are correct.

If this team was working it's ass off and still losing, you feel better...because the effort is there....I just have yet to see a game where we have seen 60 minutes of effort.

Also, for all the system and structure talk....think it was Vancouver's 1st goal.....Guy goes down to the corner, and both d men are right there, and Dach goes down almost to put the guy in a triangle, leaving a guy open and kane is too slow dropping down to cover him and the guy makes a perfect shot. I don't get that at all and starts to explain to me why point men are WIDE OPEN when teams cycle it back up to the top in the Hawks zone....forwards, especially wings, are dropping WAY low.....

If 2 d men can't negate a scoring chance almost damn even to the net, we have a lot bigger problems......that whole sequence to me made my head hurt watching it......

Only thing worse then the Hawks play on the ice, is the intermission/pre/post game show hosted by Boyle. Dear lord........

I totally agree with you. Ice time is always the best motivator, and you are right JC (except for one or two) never holds a player accountable. That is why I think the team is just listless, there is no consequence to missing an assignment, not working hard in the corners, etc. etc. And it is also time enough for Stan to hold his head coach accountable.
- LAHawk

Agree on using ice time as a motivator, and that JC doesn't use it well. I will note, though, that many posters here are very sensitive about how the vets are treated and whether their feelings will be hurt. Remember the clutching of pearls when Seabs was benched?

Agree on using ice time as a motivator, and that JC doesn't use it well. I will note, though, that many posters here are very sensitive about how the vets are treated and whether their feelings will be hurt. Remember the clutching of pearls when Seabs was benched?
- mohel

How about Keith being taken off the PP

How about Keith being taken off the PP
- 6628

Yep, same thing. Back then it was "who does this kid think he is, these guys need to treated with respect because Cups". Now it is "JC needs to sit guys who don't put in the effort".

Just last night there was whining about lines changing and guys moving up. Maybe those changes were made because guys weren't doing their jobs. Also last night, Strome at long last got a chance to play. Why didn't he play earlier? Maybe because he doesn't play like the coach wants him to play and has proven that over a period of years? Yet I read here that JC is a moron for benching a guy to send a message.

Internet GM's rule!!

Two days off until the next game. Today is Gallows Watch day for JC.

We can complain about systems and coaching all you want, but to completely absolve the players o this is malpractice.

Its hard to believe this team could play this bad, in spite of the absolute inept coaching and systems.
- LAHawk

Hard for players to succeed if the coaches can't put them in position to do so.