that was an excellent trade.


for COL.
- fidopro

No kidding.

The only parroting going on in hear is the nightly repeat. More squawking than Gull. Was a nice 2 weeks. Playoff time on here was okay too considering losing to the Habs.

That was sarcasm, most know Nylander is my boy.
- bobbyisno1

Nylander is a really good player, but he’s not Marner.

Leafs could get a nice return for him without sacrificing much offence and getting better on the defensive side of things.

I feel bad for Marner, the only reason they (including his agent) got that much in his contract was due to demanding more because Lamoriello ripped him off. He probably regrets asking for it to be balanced out by this point.
- Dozzer

You feel bad for Marner for demanding more money??

I’d much rather keep Rielly.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Im very surprised by this

I feel bad for Marner, the only reason they (including his agent) got that much in his contract was due to demanding more because Lamoriello ripped him off. He probably regrets asking for it to be balanced out by this point.
- Dozzer

That money or even 9 mill, he won't play through the pressure.
Not a guy that will carry a team to the next round.

Well if Rielly walks because he gets $8M as a UFA, we get $5M in relief but can't replace him with anything as good or better without needing an extra $3M soooo.......we actually lose the Cap Relief game y'all are pretending is an asset. It's a liability in fact.

Do the same with Hyman.

Do the same with Andersen.

Letting players walk for nothing because you HOPE this is your year for the big win is the most asinine approach to managing assets.

Trade Rielly at the TDL if the Vegas odds a stacked in the Leafs favor then just pretend like he got injured and walked at the end of the season if it makes you feel better. At least you get some type of asset.

If the hockey gods want a Leafs Cup, then we should be able to get it without Rielly. I mean look how far the Habs went with the hockey gods on their side.
- Barb34

1 winner each year.
6-7 sellers each year.

Therefore there are 20+ asinine's each year.

You can't ignore that the rest of the organization (rightly or wrongly) has that same hope. You "maximize your assets" by dumping the roster year after year and you'll never amount to anything.

Nylander is a really good player, but he’s not Marner.

Leafs could get a nice return for him without sacrificing much offence and getting better on the defensive side of things.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Your right he's not Marner. He shows up.

Nylander is a really good player, but he’s not Marner.

Leafs could get a nice return for him without sacrificing much offence and getting better on the defensive side of things.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Who do you think gets a better return. Marner or Nylander?

Nylander is a really good player, but he’s not Marner.

Leafs could get a nice return for him without sacrificing much offence and getting better on the defensive side of things.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

that I am not so sure of. teams ready to take on an 11M player are not lining up, especially for a winger. and even more for an overpaid winger.
I know he had 90 pts. how many would he have got without Matthews?
not a bad player. a very good one actually, but not sure the return would be as big as some here expect.

Who do you think gets a better return. Marner or Nylander?
- jribout

the latter imo

Who do you think gets a better return. Marner or Nylander?
- jribout

Marner, but you’ll never get back what you’d give away if you trade MM.

There’s lots of teams out there who’d be hornswoggled by Nylander and could be persuaded to give up assets worth more than Willy. A first and a roster player would be a good return.

Matthews and Marner are going nowhere.

With or without Dubas.

It’s not even a question.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

In my opinion;

Matthews departure obviously depends on team success prior to contract running out.

Marners departure depends on team success this season. Their failing again this year will force the trade to spread out that cash I think.

Im not saying Nylander is safe (not that debate time) I’m just looking at Matthews and Marner.

I can see Marner the first one traded of Leafs fail again in Playoffs - and to be honest I think at this point failure to their ownership (this their Management teams fate) is Conference Finals…Maybe - a long 2nd round.

You feel bad for Marner for demanding more money??
- fifty__missions

I feel bad he’s judged far more heavily due to him making over 10 million. I bet if he was under, just the 9+ million dollar range I doubt he’d get judged as negative by the media and fanbase

that I am not so sure of. teams ready to take on an 11M player are not lining up, especially for a winger. and even more for an overpayed winger.
I know he had 90 pts. how any would he have got without Matthews?
not a bad player. a very good one actually, but not sure the return would be as big as some here expect.
- fidopro

I meant Melander

Where's Zezel ..it's like the Aokigahara forest in here.

That money or even 9 mill, he won't play through the pressure.
Not a guy that will carry a team to the next round.
- bobbyisno1

He’s supposed to augment a star beautifully, but not be the guy who relied on to score.

I meant Melander
- Arctic_AARDVARK

yeah my bad

that I am not so sure of. teams ready to take on an 11M player are not lining up, especially for a winger. and even more for an overpayed winger.
I know he had 90 pts. how any would he have got without Matthews?
not a bad player. a very good one actually, but not sure the return would be as big as some here expect.
- fidopro

Much like Eichel I expect not much but 10.9 is favourable.

In my opinion;

Matthews departure obviously depends on team success prior to contract running out.

Marners departure depends on team success this season. Their failing again this year will force the trade to spread out that cash I think.

Im not saying Nylander is safe (not that debate time) I’m just looking at Matthews and Marner.

I can see Marner the first one traded of Leafs fail again in Playoffs - and to be honest I think at this point failure to their ownership (this their Management teams fate) is Conference Finals…Maybe - a long 2nd round.
- Big23Questions

Contrary to what most Leafs fans think, Dubas likes Marner a lot more than Nylander. He consistently goes to bat for Mitch, and angrily calls out people who criticize him. I have faith in Dubas for this reason. I think he’s smart enough to move Nylander before a more important part of the core like Rielly or Mitch.

that I am not so sure of. teams ready to take on an 11M player are not lining up, especially for a winger. and even more for an overpayed winger.
I know he had 90 pts. how any would he have got without Matthews?
not a bad player. a very good one actually, but not sure the return would be as big as some here expect.
- fidopro

All of them.
In 2018-19, marner got 94pts.
Matthews only played 68 games..mostly with willie.
Marner played with JT most of the year.
JT scored 47 goals....his most ever by 10 goals.
The following year marner is paired with Matthews, he scores his most ever with 47

1 winner each year.
6-7 sellers each year.

Therefore there are 20+ asinine's each year.

You can't ignore that the rest of the organization (rightly or wrongly) has that same hope. You "maximize your assets" by dumping the roster year after year and you'll never amount to anything.
- The Law

Makes no sense. You're either dumping you roster when they walk for NOTHING after you lose or your dumping you roster at the TDL for assets back while making a calculated decision on the overall make up of the team and if they have what it takes to make it all the way to the Cup.

Anyone on the outside of the organization should know:

Tampa ≠ Toronto

Management should know way more then we do, like:
1. Will this team win?
2. Will UFA Player X re sign at a fair price?
3. Will UFA Player X make that big of a difference in the playoffs?
4. Can the team trade and replace the UFA Player X to offset the loss of UFA Player X in the playoffs with a Player Y but still get assets in return for UFA Player X before he walks for nothing?

It's not an exact science but all decisions made by management should be rooted in reality.

All of them.
In 2018-19, marner got 94pts.
Matthews only played 68 games..mostly with willie.
Marner played with JT most of the year.
JT scored 47 goals....his most ever by 10 goals.
The following year marner is paired with Matthews, he scores his most ever with 47
- Fakepartofme

exactly, if he needs to play with an 11M center.... maybe he's not worth 11M himself?

Contrary to what most Leafs fans think, Dubas likes Marner a lot more than Nylander. He consistently goes to bat for Mitch, and angrily calls out people who criticize him. I have faith in Dubas for this reason. I think he’s smart enough to move Nylander before a more important part of the core like Rielly or Mitch.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Dubas has gone to bat for willie as well.
No one on here knows who he likes more.....he probably likes them both equally.

I feel bad he’s judged far more heavily due to him making over 10 million. I bet if he was under, just the 9+ million dollar range I doubt he’d get judged as negative by the media and fanbase
- Dozzer

I agree.

But unlike you, I don't feel bad for him. He asked for it, and put the target on his own back, hung the albatross contract around his own neck

He needs to earn it -consistently- plain and simple.