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Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 18 @ 8:19 AM ET
I think the phantoms owners would disagree.

That being said how much faith do you have in "lappy" to develop players? The flyer incestuous ways will always continue. Until that is addressed development will continue to be an issue.

- hello it's me 2050
I agree with this sentiment. Lappy blocks a shot with his mouth in a playoff game once and he has a job with the Flyers organization for life. Dave Brown a head scout. Homer team president.....yada...yada...yada. One shortcoming of the late Ed Snider was his dedication to ex goons. Not to say Lappy was a goon, but what makes them think he is a capable coach?
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Oct 18 @ 8:46 AM ET
Well, KK hasn’t panned, but yknow, the Fox guy is pretty good. Shesty looks capable. We’ll see about Lafreniere. He was comin around at the end of last season, and his line mates aren’t exactly chumps
- Hesh_

KK going to be a stud 25 goal a yr power forward in this league
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 8:49 AM ET
I agree with this sentiment. Lappy blocks a shot with his mouth in a playoff game once and he has a job with the Flyers organization for life. Dave Brown a head scout. Homer team president.....yada...yada...yada. One shortcoming of the late Ed Snider was his dedication to ex goons. Not to say Lappy was a goon, but what makes them think he is a capable coach?
- Phillywhiteout


What makes you think he is not a capable coach? Just another post with no substance behind it other than an absurd claim that they gave him a job for taking a puck to the mouth.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Oct 18 @ 8:56 AM ET
KK going to be a stud 25 goal a yr power forward in this league
- hfc355


So one goal better than Travis Konecny?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 18 @ 8:57 AM ET
What makes you think he is not a capable coach? Just another post with no substance behind it other than an absurd claim that they gave him a job for taking a puck to the mouth.
- MJL

Is there any indication he would make a good coach? I am going to go out on a limb and say there were more qualified candidates available. Do you disagree with that?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 18 @ 9:05 AM ET
Is there any indication he would make a good coach? I am going to go out on a limb and say there were more qualified candidates available. Do you disagree with that?
- hello it's me 2050

Depends on how your define a qualified candidate? If you mean someone that has had good head coaching experience, sure there were plenty with more experience that Lappy. If however you define it as someone who knows the system and knows what AV and his coaching staff expect out of their younger players, I would argue there isn't anyone as qualified as Lappy.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 18 @ 9:12 AM ET
I agree with this sentiment. Lappy blocks a shot with his mouth in a playoff game once and he has a job with the Flyers organization for life. Dave Brown a head scout. Homer team president.....yada...yada...yada. One shortcoming of the late Ed Snider was his dedication to ex goons. Not to say Lappy was a goon, but what makes them think he is a capable coach?
- Phillywhiteout




hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 18 @ 9:13 AM ET
Depends on how your define a qualified candidate? If you mean someone that has had good head coaching experience, sure there were plenty with more experience that Lappy. If however you define it as someone who knows the system and knows what AV and his coaching staff expect out of their younger players, I would argue there isn't anyone as qualified as Lappy.
- jd250

Stop. There was absolutely 100% better choices out there.

AV has no system. If he does can you explain to me what it is at this time. Knowing a system doesn't make one qualified. I would want much more than that for the guy who will be coaching any future NHL players.

Is "lappy" employing the same system?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 18 @ 9:15 AM ET
What makes you think he is not a capable coach? Just another post with no substance behind it other than an absurd claim that they gave him a job for taking a puck to the mouth.
- MJL
And your posts actually have substance behind them? It's an opinion which is every bit as valuable(if not more so) as yours. What makes you think he is a capable coach. Their PK has sucked under his watch! Thanks again!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Oct 18 @ 9:18 AM ET
Its of course early to say, but Frost is starting to concern a bit.

Missing on Patrick, to go along with Morgan having valid questions to his future is very problematic.

The Giroux goal was a beauty, and he still remains the most skilled player up front. Claude is so undervalued.

- FlyerFan3260

Yep!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:32 AM ET
And your posts actually have substance behind them? It's an opinion which is every bit as valuable(if not more so) as yours. What makes you think he is a capable coach. Their PK has sucked under his watch! Thanks again!

- Phillywhiteout


Yes, my posts do. For example if we want to discuss Paul Holmgren, one of the "goons" that you claimed Ed Snider favored. Holmgren was an NHL player, NHL assistant coach. NHL head coach with two franchises. NHL GM with two franchises. A director of pro scouting and director of hockey operations and finally a team President. Yet somehow you infer that he got the job because Snider favored goons.
Players have to execute. Coaching is an results oriented business and when teams play poorly, coaches deserve some of the criticism but not all of it.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 18 @ 9:38 AM ET
Yes, my posts do. For example if we want to discuss Paul Holmgren, one of the "goons" that you claimed Ed Snider favored. Holmgren was an NHL player, NHL assistant coach. NHL head coach with two franchises. NHL GM with two franchises. A director of pro scouting and director of hockey operations and finally a team President. Yet somehow you infer that he got the job because Snider favored goons.
Players have to execute. Coaching is an results oriented business and when teams play poorly, coaches deserve some of the criticism but not all of it.

- MJL

He was a terrible coach for both teams. He has had an underwhelming career in management or do you disagree? Wonder if any other team would have hired him or would he have stuck around so long in another organization.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Oct 18 @ 9:39 AM ET
Yes, my posts do. For example if we want to discuss Paul Holmgren, one of the "goons" that you claimed Ed Snider favored. Holmgren was an NHL player, NHL assistant coach. NHL head coach with two franchises. NHL GM with two franchises. A director of pro scouting and director of hockey operations and finally a team President. Yet somehow you infer that he got the job because Snider favored goons.
Players have to execute. Coaching is an results oriented business and when teams play poorly, coaches deserve some of the criticism but not all of it.

- MJL



I thought he was talking about Lappy. How did this get switched to Homer?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 18 @ 9:53 AM ET
I thought he was talking about Lappy. How did this get switched to Homer?
- bradster

One shortcoming of Ed snider was his dedication of ex Goons...
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 18 @ 9:59 AM ET
One shortcoming of Ed snider was his dedication of ex Goons...
- ClaudeFather

Not just goons. He employed an awful lot of former players in many capacities. That is commendable. Thought it was def a blind spot in terms of the hockey ops dept..
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 18 @ 10:08 AM ET
Not just goons. He employed an awful lot of former players in many capacities. That is commendable. Thought it was def a blind spot in terms of the hockey ops dept..
- hello it's me 2050

How many teams are actually happy with their management over the past 10-15 years, I’d think that list is extremely short. It’s not easy to put a contending team together
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 18 @ 10:18 AM ET
How many teams are actually happy with their management over the past 10-15 years, I’d think that list is extremely short. It’s not easy to put a contending team together
- ClaudeFather

You are making excuses. Focus on the flyers management.

With no cap for coaches, scouting, and development the flyers should be hiring the best or damn near close to it. Do you think they are dong that?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 18 @ 10:24 AM ET
You are making excuses. Focus on the flyers management.

With no cap for coaches, scouting, and development the flyers should be hiring the best or damn near close to it. Do you think they are dong that?

- hello it's me 2050

I’m not making excuses I’m just living in reality
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 18 @ 10:26 AM ET
Stop. There was absolutely 100% better choices out there.

AV has no system. If he does can you explain to me what it is at this time. Knowing a system doesn't make one qualified. I would want much more than that for the guy who will be coaching any future NHL players.

Is "lappy" employing the same system?

- hello it's me 2050

One of the most important things you need in your organization's development system is consistency and alignment from top to bottom. Otherwise how can you expect players to be called up and play in the NHL when needed? To say AV, or any head coach in the NHL, has no system is nonsense. Whether you like AV or not, they guy has won over 700 NHL games, I don't think happens if AV is just winging it night after night.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 18 @ 10:33 AM ET
One of the most important things you need in your organization's development system is consistency and alignment from top to bottom. Otherwise how can you expect players to be called up and play in the NHL when needed? To say AV, or any head coach in the NHL, has no system is nonsense. Whether you like AV or not, they guy has won over 700 NHL games, I don't think happens if AV is just winging it night after night.
- jd250

Can you help me understand what system AV employs?

Was the flyers alignment with the nhl and AHL the same when Gordon was the coach?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 18 @ 10:33 AM ET
I’m not making excuses I’m just living in reality
- ClaudeFather

What is the reality?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 18 @ 10:35 AM ET
What is the reality?
- hello it's me 2050

Exactly what I said, it’s very difficult to put together a contending team
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 18 @ 10:35 AM ET
Not just goons. He employed an awful lot of former players in many capacities. That is commendable. Thought it was def a blind spot in terms of the hockey ops dept..
- hello it's me 2050


We can debate whether it's actually good or bad, but look around... just about every team does that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 10:36 AM ET
Exactly what I said, it’s very difficult to put together a contending team
- ClaudeFather


Honestly, why do you or anyone for that matter continue to entertain him?
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Oct 18 @ 10:39 AM ET
We can debate whether it's actually good or bad, but look around... just about every team does that.
- Tomahawk


I agree. I have not researched it but I feel like most teams in all sports stick with the guys they know for the most part.
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