Yep, wrote the same earlier. He's also not made lineup and playing time decisions based on defensive performance.
- mohel

OK then both of us and others are seeing the same thing.

But now these kids can't even get 6th D minutes?

WTH were they doing in the lineup in the first place?

And not you, but Galvas is 22 and was playing in pro leagues. Mitchell is 22/will be 23 in season.

Zero point in Gus on this roster.

And "what up". It'll be short lived again as I was watching the "free games" on TV vs buying the package still.

There are just so many red flags with this coach and his mismanagement
- PatShart

Ok say it’s all on the coach, how do you explain why the players have only shown three minutes of anything resembling effort in three games?

Ok say it’s all on the coach, how do you explain why the players have only shown three minutes of anything resembling effort in three games?
- paulr

Because they're lost. There is no structure. Rewatch Shaw give his thoughts.

Not sure what you want to see in effort. Them sprinting around the ice?

Several times the D was holding the puck on a regroup. Top of their own circles.

All 3 forwards floating at the far blue line.

It's like the D is playing one way and the Fowards another. Zero continuity

But for sure this season's issues are not on the more talented players getting worse results than last year's less talented players under the same coach and horrendous system....
- mohel

You love to twist words, too, dontcha?

Did I say it wasn't on the more-talented players having a harder time adjusting to JC's system? I think that was exactly my point. It's definitely a shared responsibility, but when it becomes a pattern year-over-year, even with a few periods of success thrown in, something's rotten in Denmark.

OK then both of us and others are seeing the same thing.
- Scott1977

It seems to that many here are thinking (hoping) that changing the coach will solve the team's problems and let them be a playoff team in the Central.

I think the issues are bigger than the coach. I'm okay with getting a new coach, but I don't think it will be the panacea many (not directed at you) believe.

Because they're lost. There is no structure. Rewatch Shaw give his thoughts.

Not sure what you want to see in effort. Them sprinting around the ice?

Several times the D was holding the puck on a regroup. Top of their own circles.

All 3 forwards floating at the far blue line.

It's like the D is playing one way and the Fowards another. Zero continuity
- PatShart

I saw Shaw give his thoughts, it made me stop and think. But so far in three games I only saw real effort and intensity in the last three minutes of the Jersey game when they scored two goals and looked like the Hawks of old doing so. I’m not sold that JC is the next coming of Scotty Bowman but seeing players not giving a poop leads me to believe there’s a bigger problem or the last three games were an anomaly.

Heres why players in hockey like retread/older coaches vs the newer hip/young inexperienced like other sports.

Experienced coaches seen it all. Whether in the AHL or NHL

They know if/when things are going bad - how to adjust. Tweaking a system to fit a team. When to bench players, when to shuffle lines '. How to get favorable matchups on the road at times.

He has no experience in any of this. And yet he's in the NHL trying to learn how to do all that.

It's why plugging random X player behind a bench with zero coaching experience, and expect them to be good is foolish.

You love to twist words, too, dontcha?

Did I say it wasn't on the more-talented players having a harder time adjusting to JC's system? I think that was exactly my point. It's definitely a shared responsibility, but when it becomes a pattern year-over-year, even with a few periods of success thrown in, something's rotten in Denmark.
- pdx2ord

For sure.

I'm sorry if I misrepresented your opinions. I didn't mean to. Just felt like the tenor of your posts slanted that way.

In addition to poor defensive zone coverage/play/recognition, this team also is atrocious at breaking out of their zone. Nothing is clean or crisp about their passing, never a open man to get the puck to and no flow to the movement. How about we also throw in poor offensive zone entries, and non-existent cycling and zone time. In three years we have seen three approaches with the same initial results. Truly a shame to see how far the organIzation has fallen.

It seems to that many here are thinking (hoping) that changing the coach will solve the team's problems and let them be a playoff team in the Central.

I think the issues are bigger than the coach. I'm okay with getting a new coach, but I don't think it will be the panacea many (not directed at you) believe.
- mohel

Agree roster construction bad trades and development of players imo.

I had a disturbing dream.

Coliton gets fired ( ) but they replace him with Crawford and he has success (not championship success) so they ink him to a long term deal. Which, if you know his history, backfires and the Hawks are right back where they are now. Key players walk away (Kane and Toews) to other teams and we are left saddled with mediocrity and crap teams like we were in the 90s.

We’re doomed.

I'm rarely in favour of cleaning out a coaching staff early in a season, especially with so many new additions to the roster. But it may be time after these 3 starts.

At the very least I would relieve Brookbank of his D duties and bring in Jacques Martin - the world's most boring man. But he sure knows how to evaluate and coach NHL blue liners. 2 Cups in Pittsburgh with some very mediocre defenceman.
- RickJ

Jacques Martin would be good. What about one of the best defensive structured coaches of all time, Jacques Lemaire? He played for Scotty in Montreal

I'm rarely in favour of cleaning out a coaching staff early in a season, especially with so many new additions to the roster. But it may be time after these 3 starts.
Good idea
At the very least I would relieve Brookbank of his D duties and bring in Jacques Martin - the world's most boring man. But he sure knows how to evaluate and coach NHL blue liners. 2 Cups in Pittsburgh with some very mediocre defenceman.
- RickJ

Keep deflecting all you want. It’s what you and your crew do as well as anyone in society. Oh and bash and gang up on anyone who calls you all out on your bullpoop.

What once was a fun blog with multiple takes is now a blog who’s narrative is controlled by a minute amount of posters and anyone who refuses to bend to their style is ridiculed and bullied into submission.

To those who continue to post contrary to the pack of 50+ males acting like a pack of pms 13 ur old girls….god speeds. Not worth the aggravation to me any longer. I’ll miss the interaction with some of you that’s been on going since 2007 over at the daily herald under Sassone but this is just crazy.

Theo, suggest you figure this out before your posting to a few amount and are eventually cat fished by these guys when they don’t like your style. Can’t trust a snake(s) no matter who they try to charm.
- SteveRain

Rainman is. correct. Auto correct and too quick to post without checking is my fault. Anyway jist the fact that what Raiman says about some posters....
Sorry but that is the behavior and we cannot escape their freedom to post in a negative way which diesn't need to be how Rainman described. Theo that you try so hard and your predessor, Tyler Cameron ,too. Yet we have too many bullpoop.posters. You know to expect t some bullpooop but it gets to.be too much sometimes. I won t leave the board, though. I will post less and skim through because there remains some good posters. I will personally keep in touch with wiz if I am uncertain my own read, my opinion.in or get a perspective I trust. I really appreciate Theo and Tyler effort, views.ife can be like the way some people bring down the quality of the board. Just navigate through it and try to avoid becoming like the negativity some posters bring

And strangely the penalty kill has been outstanding.
- paulr

I attribute the PP and PK success to a small sample size. They will revert toward the norm. Same with lack of scoring 5v5 and Fleury’s goaltending. But the norm will be not great and it will be unacceptable. So get rid of Colliton!!!!

Rainman is. correct. Auto correct and too quick to post without checking is my fault. Anyway jist the fact that what Raiman says about some posters....
Sorry but that is the behavior and we cannot escape their freedom to post in a negative way which diesn't need to be how Rainman described. Theo that you try so hard and your predessor, Tyler Cameron ,too. Yet we have too many bullpoop.posters. You know to expect t some bullpooop but it gets to.be too much sometimes. I won t leave the board, though. I will post less and skim through because there remains some good posters. I will personally keep in touch with wiz if I am uncertain my own read, my opinion.in or get a perspective I trust. I really appreciate Theo and Tyler effort, views.ife can be like the way some people bring down the quality of the board. Just navigate through it and try to avoid becoming like the negativity some posters bring
- jhawk59

Define negative.

The posters who post constantly FIRE COLLITON, are they positive or negative?

I believe this is the 1st of your posts I've responded to in years.

Jacques Martin would be good. What about one of the best defensive structured coaches of all time, Jacques Lemaire? He played for Scotty in Montreal
- LAHawk

I used to make up excuses to not be at the games when the Minny team he coached came to town. Unwatchable for me, win or lose.

I used to make up excuses to not be at the games when the Minny team he coached came to town. Unwatchable for me, win or lose.
- 6628

I don't blame you.

What's your take on JC? Time to go? If so, what type of coach would you bring in?

Jacques Martin would be good. What about one of the best defensive structured coaches of all time, Jacques Lemaire? He played for Scotty in Montreal
- LAHawk

There is a reason why they aren’t coaching now.

I know that firing JC can't come fast enough for a lot of people on here, but given that Stanley made trades meant for competing in the now, for the remainder of the Toews and Kane contracts, the leash has to be a lot shorter this season. I expect that the crowd at the UC will be chanting to fire him already if the Hawks continue on this trajectory during the upcoming homestand.

The only glimmer I see so far is the strong effort to get a point in the game at New Jersey. They didn't quit on JC in that one.

When a HOF goalie gives up four goals in quick succession, what's going on there? I missed the game last night, so I didn't see all the context of that fateful period. If he has an injury we don't know about, what does that do to change the calculus of who should coach?

If they don't want to play for JC, if they need a coach who will instantly command respect from the veterans, then which available coach should be here?

I don't blame you.

What's your take on JC? Time to go? If so, what type of coach would you bring in?
- mohel

Dots would be happy. Under Lemaire’s system everybody protects the house. How long would it take if Lemaire was named coach would Kane say “Trade me right f—-in now”

Repeating myself a bit, but 100% the transitions are killing the Hawks. In these first three games, one of the D tries to hold a puck in or presses up and the coverage isn't there when the Hawks turn it over. It's one of those problems that snowballs on them right now, because they get down early, so they keep trying to press and then continue to fail on coverage when they give up the puck. 100% the Hawks are in a situation where they need to dial down the aggressive pinches and defend their blue line.

Honestly, I have no problem with how Seth Jones played that first 2 on 1, he tried to take the pass away. Stillman 100% on the third goal was kind of stuck in-between and didn't take the shooter or the pass. Toews needed to be harder on his man on that first goal though and MAF should never have let that in.

Kane played better last night, he has looked like he is at 60% so far, but some stretches last night he was better.

I'm curious to see how the team responds coming back home. I don't think we've seen this team play near where they can.

I had a disturbing dream.

Coliton gets fired ( ) but they replace him with Crawford and he has success (not championship success) so they ink him to a long term deal. Which, if you know his history, backfires and the Hawks are right back where they are now. Key players walk away (Kane and Toews) to other teams and we are left saddled with mediocrity and crap teams like we were in the 90s.

We’re doomed.
- Diamondhands

Can't believe you're a newer poster. It's like you've been here forever.

Can't believe you're a newer poster. It's like you've been here forever.
- HawkintheD

Well we are!

Bring in Scotty Bowman !