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Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Oct 19 @ 4:07 PM ET
I am glad to see most people coming around to the fact that the sneak was the correct call.

I've been waiting my whole life for a coach to have the balls to do that, Allen was 81% in that situation. I'll take the 81% chance over trying a FG on grass where anything can happen, and then being at the mercy of a coinflip, those odds come out to less than 50/50, and then you have to score and hold on top of it. It was 100% the right play.
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Oct 19 @ 4:09 PM ET
Its negotiations 101

We have a top 5 nhl center when healthy

Every national hockey league team wants him , for the right price.

Despite the multiple reports of no retention, I still believe if the right offer (top young center prospect) (byfield) or (dach) the Sabres will retain some $.

Chicago gets a hot start, wants to make a playoff splash with the old core..... welcome aboard kirby

- Boss34



Can we retain for lets say just this year and next or does it have to be for the full contract?
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Oct 19 @ 4:17 PM ET
Can we retain for lets say just this year and next or does it have to be for the full contract?
- DirtyDan

can we trade money still.. just give them 3 mil and say do with it what you will.
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Oct 19 @ 4:23 PM ET
can we trade money still.. just give them 3 mil and say do with it what you will.
- SabresFaninIndiana


What?
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 19 @ 4:23 PM ET
I am glad to see most people coming around to the fact that the sneak was the correct call.

I've been waiting my whole life for a coach to have the balls to do that, Allen was 81% in that situation. I'll take the 81% chance over trying a FG on grass where anything can happen, and then being at the mercy of a coinflip, those odds come out to less than 50/50, and then you have to score and hold on top of it. It was 100% the right play.

- Wetbandit1


Going for it was the right call. The sneak itself wasn't a bad call, but the success is often predicated on the quick snap. If you weren't going to do that, you need to come up with a better play. I suggested an RPO, but I wouldn't have hated a pass there either. Plus, it's a play where even if you get it, you're likely not getting the touchdown. You're at the 1 with 20 seconds left, if that, no timeouts, and basically forced the throw the ball from there.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 19 @ 4:23 PM ET
What?
- DirtyDan


He's talking about back in the pre-cap days, you could trade players for cash. I don't think you can do that anymore.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Oct 19 @ 4:26 PM ET
What?
- DirtyDan

The deal was announced Aug. 9, 1988, 12 weeks after the Oilers closed out a four-game sweep of the Boston Bruins in the Cup Final. Gretzky, McSorley and center Mike Krushelnyski went to the Kings in exchange for center Jimmy Carson, wing Martin Gelinas, first-round draft picks in 1989, 1991 and 1993, and $15 million.


can we just include cash with the trade or was that abolished?
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Oct 19 @ 4:27 PM ET
Going for it was the right call. The sneak itself wasn't a bad call, but the success is often predicated on the quick snap. If you weren't going to do that, you need to come up with a better play. I suggested an RPO, but I wouldn't have hated a pass there either. Plus, it's a play where even if you get it, you're likely not getting the touchdown. You're at the 1 with 20 seconds left, if that, no timeouts, and basically forced the throw the ball from there.
- buffalofan19

I would've spread them out and have the Titans have to defend the 1st down and game ending TD.

It would've been damn near impossible to defend both.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Oct 19 @ 4:35 PM ET
I think "don't want to move" and "untouchable" are the same thing. It's kind of dumb to print it, because of course a team would love to give up nothing and get Eichel for free. Maybe I'm just a pedantic prยกck, probably a little of both.
- Wetbandit1


WET1 you are not a pedantic pr'ck, but a very important part of our hockeybuzz community.

Keep your head up ๐Ÿ™‚
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Oct 19 @ 4:38 PM ET
Can we retain for lets say just this year and next or does it have to be for the full contract?
- DirtyDan


I've been told it needs to be every year for the remainder of the contract.

My thoughts, okposA will be off the books,
Unless he plays the next 80 the way he played the past 2.

Also, Skimmer could eventually be moved.
Seems like we have a good farm system finally and could move skimmer with a pick or prospect at some point.

The Sabres have to get a top center in return.
No berglunds....
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Oct 19 @ 4:48 PM ET
I've been told it needs to be every year for the remainder of the contract.

My thoughts, okposA will be off the books,
Unless he plays the next 80 the way he played the past 2.

Also, Skimmer could eventually be moved.
Seems like we have a good farm system finally and could move skimmer with a pick or prospect at some point.


The Sabres have to get a top center in return.
No berglunds....

- Boss34


I highly doubt this happens for 4/5 more years. And at that point, who knows what the cap/state of the league will be.
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Oct 19 @ 4:49 PM ET
The deal was announced Aug. 9, 1988, 12 weeks after the Oilers closed out a four-game sweep of the Boston Bruins in the Cup Final. Gretzky, McSorley and center Mike Krushelnyski went to the Kings in exchange for center Jimmy Carson, wing Martin Gelinas, first-round draft picks in 1989, 1991 and 1993, and $15 million.


can we just include cash with the trade or was that abolished?

- SabresFaninIndiana



Idk if your just being funny or taking a shot at me?
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Oct 19 @ 4:50 PM ET
I highly doubt this happens for 4/5 more years. And at that point, who knows what the cap/state of the league will be.
- SDSabre

You could potentially move him in a year or so if you're taking back another contract and paying that team an asset.

DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Oct 19 @ 4:51 PM ET
I've been told it needs to be every year for the remainder of the contract.

My thoughts, okposA will be off the books,
Unless he plays the next 80 the way he played the past 2.

Also, Skimmer could eventually be moved.
Seems like we have a good farm system finally and could move skimmer with a pick or prospect at some point.

The Sabres have to get a top center in return.
No berglunds....

- Boss34


F that then. Can't retain more than 3 if its for the rest of the contract.

Can you retain diferent amounts in different years?

Like lets say 4 million for 2 years and then 2 million the final 2?

If im retaining any money though I expect full payment of 1 top notch prospect and 3 first round picks or the equivalent prospects. and not sh!t prospects
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Oct 19 @ 5:03 PM ET
F that then. Can't retain more than 3 if its for the rest of the contract.

Can you retain diferent amounts in different years?

Like lets say 4 million for 2 years and then 2 million the final 2?

If im retaining any money though I expect full payment of 1 top notch prospect and 3 first round picks or the equivalent prospects. and not sh!t prospects

- DirtyDan

Can't do that, it's the same amount every year up to 50%. And 39 brought it up if we do retain it's like are Salary Cap will be stagnant for atleast 3yrs
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Oct 19 @ 5:04 PM ET
F@cking Yankees
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Oct 19 @ 5:05 PM ET
Can't do that, it's the same amount every year up to 50%. And 39 brought it up if we do retain it's like are Salary Cap will be stagnant for atleast 3yrs
- Buff36



Makes sense. Thanks for the information!

F retaining then unless the deal is substantial
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Oct 19 @ 5:06 PM ET
Have a good night fellas

LETS GO BUFFALO!!!!
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Oct 19 @ 5:08 PM ET
Makes sense. Thanks for the information!

F retaining then unless the deal is substantial

- DirtyDan

That's it if we're retaining don't tell me you're top prospect or 2 are off limits. Don't bother calling
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Oct 19 @ 5:10 PM ET
F that then. Can't retain more than 3 if its for the rest of the contract.

Can you retain diferent amounts in different years?

Like lets say 4 million for 2 years and then 2 million the final 2?

If im retaining any money though I expect full payment of 1 top notch prospect and 3 first round picks or the equivalent prospects. and not sh!t prospects

- DirtyDan



Realistically, this year and the next 2 should keep the Sabres under any cap situations. Year 4 and 5 could get sticky with power / dahlin / mitts / joker coming up.

That's when skimmer would need to go. Probably either way.

Imagine a healthy eichel at 7.5 million for this playoff run and 4 more years....

That would bring in a true #1 center in return.
Dach
Byfield
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Oct 19 @ 5:23 PM ET
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SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Oct 19 @ 6:17 PM ET
I hope Cashman slips in the shower.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Oct 19 @ 6:18 PM ET
I hope Cashman slips in the shower.
- SABRES 89

Had a chance to bring in some new blood, same old same old.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Oct 19 @ 6:20 PM ET
Had a chance to bring in some new blood, same old same old.
- Buff36

I hope he falls head first
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Oct 19 @ 6:22 PM ET
Had a chance to bring in some new blood, same old same old.
- Buff36

Then when he gets out of the shower to grab a towel, I hope he falls again.
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