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cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Oct 16 @ 12:33 PM ET
I thought the 1st line was decent in the first. Much like most of the players.
- Pelle31Forever


I may be a bit too harsh. I thought the first period was solid. Didn't get the stops we needed in 2nd. Some blame on D not clearing the porch? Maybe. Hart was solid in 3rd and OT. Overall I thought TK looked good.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Oct 16 @ 12:56 PM ET
I may be a bit too harsh. I thought the first period was solid. Didn't get the stops we needed in 2nd. Some blame on D not clearing the porch? Maybe. Hart was solid in 3rd and OT. Overall I thought TK looked good.
- cdearth23


8 total goals in the game and probably 5 of em were junk. Weird set of events.

Hart was pretty pedestrian. Glad he held up in OT. Konecny was decent.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Oct 16 @ 1:09 PM ET
I may be a bit too harsh. I thought the first period was solid. Didn't get the stops we needed in 2nd. Some blame on D not clearing the porch? Maybe. Hart was solid in 3rd and OT. Overall I thought TK looked good.
- cdearth23


Probably fair. I know Sanheim made a pretty weak attempt on that 4th goal to get the puck off of the goal line, right before it was tipped in. Hart has to be a lot less leaky though as well.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Oct 16 @ 1:14 PM ET
Deanoyers just continues to play at this level. I can t help but get excited for this kid to be in this organization

This kid may be a hidden gem
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Oct 16 @ 1:19 PM ET
That was a very typical Flyers performance.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Oct 16 @ 1:23 PM ET
Probably fair. I know Sanheim made a pretty weak attempt on that 4th goal to get the puck off of the goal line, right before it was tipped in. Hart has to be a lot less leaky though as well.
- Ftown19125


Bottom line, Hart has to be better. First goal was a snipe. Glove side though which I assume is on his scouting report. PK needs to tighten up. 1st game. Long way to go.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Oct 16 @ 1:25 PM ET
Game 1 but Thompson is slow and he didn’t dominate face off, made him useless. I’ll give it a couple games but they need to upgrade. Crazy bounces and the soft leaky goal on Hart but I think he can build on it. Sanheim was not to blame on the leaky goal, when is the last you skated and tried to pull a puck like that off the goal line.

Side bar- I do think CF has continued to stock the farm and a few prospects could bring speed and scoring.

The Flyers have a good number of young goalies. Not the least Fedotov in the KHL, huge and seems to be doing well. This is not Harts net if he can’t be a top 10 goalie.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 16 @ 1:37 PM ET
When I went to bed last night I was really down on Hart's game, but woke up fresh and watched the highlights, and listened to Jason Myrtetus' podcast where he stated "overall Hart had an OK game, he didn't lose the game for the Flyers but he didn't win the game either." I think it was less than OK and I think Hart still has some technical issues to fix and is generally lacking confidence.

The regular PK was OK actually, obviously you don't want to be down 5 on 3, but when it was 5 on 4 they played fine. The only goal the PK unit gave up 5 on 4 was IMO squarely on Hart. When I goalie is on his angle, his left skate should not be that far outside of the left post, because what happened can happen, i.e. a puck off the back boards can hit your skate and go in. The other PK goal was just a fluke play. Sanheim is not the best slot coverage defender and the puck just took a lucky bounce off the Vancouver forward.

The first goal against Hart was just a pure snipe plain and simple. I would have liked Hart to challenge a bit more and cover that high glove, but it was a really great shot and sometimes you just have to tip your cap. The 4th goal just can't happen in a professional hockey game. As was the case last year, the scouting report on Hart is high glove and he cheats off the post. You saw Vancouver continually testing Hart with bad angle shots and Hart struggling. Just really bad technique on that 4th goal.

I actually think Hart was more lucky than good in the 3rd, where he made 15 saves but a lot of those saves just hit him, he still looked like he was struggling with his positioning and balance. In OT Hart played much better and made several big saves. However in the shootout you saw Hart revert back to being off his angle on the first goal and backing ​way into the crease and making himself small on the second goal.

Overall it was a below average start for Hart and not what he needed. You can see the kid is still struggling to find his game and get some confidence. I sincerely hope he can figure it out, otherwise this will be another long season.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Oct 16 @ 1:38 PM ET
Lindblom is more hard working than he is talented. I’m not understanding the sudden separation of JvR and Farabee, who were really good on a line together last season. We’ve never seen JvR on RW, so the line up changes are odd.

Giroux-Couturier-Konency
JvR-Laughton-Farabee
Lindblom-Brassard-Atkinson
MacEwen-Thompson-NAK

Only at the mid way mark of the second so far. PP looks much improved but my one adjustment. Take Konency out of the slot on the first unit. In fact get Konency on the second unit. Move Couturier to the slot and get Farabee on the first unit on the right half wall. That shot from the right half wall from Farabee is dangerous. I also like the idea of JvR and Coots, the big bodies as w double screen. Gives Giroux a left handed one timer in the slot if Coots plays there.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Oct 16 @ 1:42 PM ET
Game 1 but Thompson is slow and he didn’t dominate face off, made him useless. I’ll give it a couple games but they need to upgrade. Crazy bounces and the soft leaky goal on Hart but I think he can build on it. Sanheim was not to blame on the leaky goal, when is the last you skated and tried to pull a puck like that off the goal line.

Side bar- I do think CF has continued to stock the farm and a few prospects could bring speed and scoring.

The Flyers have a good number of young goalies. Not the least Fedotov in the KHL, huge and seems to be doing well. This is not Harts net if he can’t be a top 10 goalie.

- wcorvette


I’m not blaming Sanheim for the goal. It was a bad angle shot that shouldn’t have leaked through in the first place. But defensemen clear pucks off of the goal line all the time. I just thought his attempt at getting it out of there was kind of weak, but he didn’t seem to see it right away either.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 16 @ 1:43 PM ET
Lindblom is more hard working than he is talented. I’m not understanding the sudden separation of JvR and Farabee, who were really good on a line together last season. We’ve never seen JvR on RW, so the line up changes are odd.

Giroux-Couturier-Konency
JvR-Laughton-Farabee
Lindblom-Brassard-Atkinson
MacEwen-Thompson-NAK

Only at the mid way mark of the second so far. PP looks much improved but my one adjustment. Take Konency out of the slot on the first unit. In fact get Konency on the second unit. Move Couturier to the slot and get Farabee on the first unit on the right half wall. That shot from the right half wall from Farabee is dangerous. I also like the idea of JvR and Coots, the big bodies as w double screen. Gives Giroux a left handed one timer in the slot if Coots plays there.

- SuperSchennBros

I would rather see Atkinson is the top 6 than JVR, because Atkinson is a better player.
wbroudy
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 06.30.2007

Oct 16 @ 2:01 PM ET
It’s great that hart played great in the third period, but he was absent in the second period and in the shootout . The team needs to also give a sixty minute effort and not have periods of time where they give up 3-4 goals in quick succession like last season and last night
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Oct 16 @ 2:16 PM ET
Good to know we got the playing a full 60 minutes problem along with the shoot out disasters fixed. Guess we had too much practice time this year guys got tired after 1st period.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Oct 16 @ 2:28 PM ET
Lindblom is more hard working than he is talented. I’m not understanding the sudden separation of JvR and Farabee, who were really good on a line together last season. We’ve never seen JvR on RW, so the line up changes are odd.

Giroux-Couturier-Konency
JvR-Laughton-Farabee
Lindblom-Brassard-Atkinson
MacEwen-Thompson-NAK

Only at the mid way mark of the second so far. PP looks much improved but my one adjustment. Take Konency out of the slot on the first unit. In fact get Konency on the second unit. Move Couturier to the slot and get Farabee on the first unit on the right half wall. That shot from the right half wall from Farabee is dangerous. I also like the idea of JvR and Coots, the big bodies as w double screen. Gives Giroux a left handed one timer in the slot if Coots plays there.

- SuperSchennBros


The best line for the Flyers was no question Farabee-Brassard-Atkinson and you want to break that up because....JvR. Ok.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 16 @ 2:35 PM ET
Probably fair. I know Sanheim made a pretty weak attempt on that 4th goal to get the puck off of the goal line, right before it was tipped in. Hart has to be a lot less leaky though as well.
- Ftown19125

Yes, Sanheim is not a strong defenseman in slot coverage, he just doesn't have the muscle it seems. He was weak on the second PP goal against and did not protect the crease on that 4th goal well either. He is an offensive defenseman, so like Yandle you are going to see plays like that this season. I think Risto playing would have helped a lot, but he didn't.
GPerogie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hightstown, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

Oct 16 @ 2:47 PM ET
Anyone else think the video to sound timing is off a touch from past years, I noticed a few times last night that Jackson was commenting on a shot, save, goal etc.. before we saw it on screen. Only a split moment but seemed off just a tough Wondering if they changed the delay time a touch.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Oct 16 @ 3:02 PM ET
Anyone else think the video to sound timing is off a touch from past years, I noticed a few times last night that Jackson was commenting on a shot, save, goal etc.. before we saw it on screen. Only a split moment but seemed off just a tough Wondering if they changed the delay time a touch.
- GPerogie


That was happening for me too.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 16 @ 3:05 PM ET
The best line for the Flyers was no question Farabee-Brassard-Atkinson and you want to break that up because....JvR. Ok.
- Glak18

Jvr was invisible last night . Staple him to the third line and throw him out on the PP.
Gogol
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 05.16.2017

Oct 16 @ 3:28 PM ET
Have to disagree. If Carter played OK the Flyers would have won. Forget the great saves. We should expect a few great saves from any goalie every game. I question how he let in a goal that should have hit him him. Also, he showed zero situational awareness around the net. I’m pulling for him but to me his performance was concerning.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 16 @ 3:31 PM ET
That was a very typical Flyers performance.
- StepfordSam

typical lately isn't good
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Oct 16 @ 3:43 PM ET
I’m not blaming Sanheim for the goal. It was a bad angle shot that shouldn’t have leaked through in the first place. But defensemen clear pucks off of the goal line all the time. I just thought his attempt at getting it out of there was kind of weak, but he didn’t seem to see it right away either.
- Ftown19125



Tough play, it just wasn’t on the goal line, it was between harts skate and the post too, just awkward
DaveofYork
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: york, PA
Joined: 10.27.2014

Oct 16 @ 3:48 PM ET
Jvr was invisible last night . Staple him to the third line and throw him out on the PP.
- ClaudeFather

not invisible...he is just too fast for the camera
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Oct 16 @ 3:53 PM ET
Stayin Alive is Stayin Away
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 16 @ 4:01 PM ET
Jvr was invisible last night . Staple him to the third line and throw him out on the PP.
- ClaudeFather


I thought he had a decent game. Showed a lot of hustle, especially on that play where he drew the penalty on the dump in. Was in the middle of a few good scoring chances.

Lot of people complaining about TK, but he was really physical for most of the night before potting that late goal. He was definitely involved.

If Hart had even played an average game the Flyers would have been fine.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 16 @ 4:05 PM ET
Hart was fine glove side in April and throughout camp. The Pozkoldin goal was going to be a goal regardless of the goalie. Fired from the dot, lots of movement, perfectly placed.

My concern with Hart is that when plays gets unstructured and scrambled, he has a higher-than-normal tendency to give up the bleeders. That's been the case throughout his pro career, including 2018-19 and 2019-20.

- bmeltzer


Guys on Sportnet were saying he looked like he wasn't battling on those 2nd/3rd chances. He did look a bit bewildered, just laying around the crease. Maybe he's not feeling/tracking the puck as well as he usually does.
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