Genuine question as someone who has never played the game - how do the players know when to come off the ice if not based on when they start to feel heavy legs/tired?
- pdx2ord

I don't know, i thought the coach determines shift lengths, but then again this coach played Jonathon Toews for 25 minutes in the opening preseason game after no one was sure of what to expect from him

I don't know, i thought the coach determines shift lengths, but then again this coach played Jonathon Toews for 25 minutes in the opening preseason game after no one was sure of what to expect from him
- BetweenTheDots

Yeah, I figured it was the coaching staff, but wondered if they throw up a hand when it's time or the other players on deck call out to those on the ice? Never have been 100% sure how that magic happens (and sadly, that's even after I've sat right behind the bench at several games).

Usually a general rule for a forward is up, down and off.

Which for 5 in 5 is usually around 45sec - give or take the player.

Your coach manages the bench. The changes and matchups.

An example can be when a guy like Carpenter (last game) turns the puck over, lazily goes for a change on his turnover and a goal is scored - while, its 100% on a player to be a professional & responsible to make the right play. Yet when a coach doesnt control his bench, lazy plays/changes....long shifts, etc - players tune out coaches.

Now I'm sure it's why he was benched (partially/one would hope) - but he is a 3 year player under Colliton's system. Supposed to be a defensive forward. Yet THAT is his coached instinct to lazily change there?

So many examples just watching his teams like this when you just watch his bench management - or lack their of. To go from Q (one of the best bench managers) to this makes no sense.

Sloppy team. They are much more talented than they show.

Colliton's last year as a PLAYER was 2014 in Europe.

By 2018 he is somehow qualified to coach the Hawks...following Q and the franchise's most successful run.
- PatShart

Agree 100% Fans deserve more 🤦‍♂️

Usually a general rule for a forward is up, down and off.

Which for 5 in 5 is usually around 45sec - give or take the player.

Your coach manages the bench. The changes and matchups.

An example can be when a guy like Carpenter (last game) turns the puck over, lazily goes for a change on his turnover and a goal is scored - while, its 100% on a player to be a professional & responsible to make the right play. Yet when a coach doesnt control his bench, lazy plays/changes....long shifts, etc - players tune out coaches.

Now I'm sure it's why he was benched (partially/one would hope) - but he is a 3 year player under Colliton's system. Supposed to be a defensive forward. Yet THAT is his coached instinct to lazily change there?

So many examples just watching his teams like this when you just watch his bench management - or lack their of. To go from Q (one of the best bench managers) to this makes no sense.

Sloppy team. They are much more talented than they show.
- PatShart

Thank you for the explanation! And, yes, now that you mention it, the changes don't often appear to have a sense of urgency to them.

Gus with more ice time than Stillman and De Haan, and only 5 seconds less than Murphy, let that sink in. I’m going to give credit where credit is due, De Haan played a much better game than he did against the Avs, maybe it was due to strength of the competition. Actually, I thought that 44 and 61 were the most consistent Dmen tonight 5 on 5.

Yeah, I figured it was the coaching staff, but wondered if they throw up a hand when it's time or the other players on deck call out to those on the ice? Never have been 100% sure how that magic happens (and sadly, that's even after I've sat right behind the bench at several games).
- pdx2ord

Shift lengths measured in seconds vary for defenceman vs forwards but there is a situational component to all of it as well.

If you watch an NHL team with a very good bench jockey (Q, Bruce Cassidy, Mike Sullivan) they find ways to get the line matchups they want as much as possible. If the action on the ice permits, they might pull a line off after 10 seconds and throw a different one on to try to get their head to head preference. There was nobody better than Scotty Bowman at that.

And watch what happens during 2nd periods when there is a long line change - sometimes players (especially defenceman) can get caught out there for 1:30 or more because the play is in their end is continuous and their bench is so far away.

Jeremy Colliton is a novice as a bench boss. Doesn't mean he can't learn, but he gets schooled plenty by top NHL coaches.

What???? Since when????
- DarthKane

Since Toews and Keith to the Kings for me.

Nick Seeler playing tonight for Flyers. Either injuries (?) Or due to salary cap, Flyers have some career minor league guys in line up.

Segway: I predict that Bowman down the road signs or trades for another top line talent. And add more AHL players.
- jhawk59

Murphy is dog poop. Has been since he came to Chicago. He slow and dumb.
- GPHawksfan

"copy paste" Zad comments...

Colliton won’t make it out of October is the talk…. How much longer until Toews and Kane say get me the f*** outta here
- bigfly46

We'll know better when they show up for a game the first time this season.

The Hogs are losing 6-1, its a banner night for the Blackhawks franchise.
- DarthKane

Our biggest problem is we have lousy old players blocking the kids.

I want to believe that JC put Gus in that situation because he wanted to end it right then and there when they had the puck in the O-zone, by overloading on offense, and gambled and lost.

Aside from Seth Jones, how many of the defensemen will potentially thrive in the 3 on 3? I can't say the other options bowl me over, either. And we know that #4 can't play the whole 5 minutes. #2 is gone. And the former #4 isn't there anymore for the D-zone situations. We are spoiled from the days when Q would send out 2, 19, and 88 and they would win the OT on their first shift so often.

Some of the positives I take from tonight are that this team wants to compete, and Seth Jones played better tonight. And Dach looks so much better so far this year. Even De Haan looked better tonight.

Kurashev is fine with Toews and Kubilak

That line should match up vs other teams top lines every game. All 3 play responsible hockey. Let that line play together- just slot them/match them correctly

Hagel is a good 3rd line player as he drives play/likes to carry the puck on his stick. He stretches your lineup.

Instead, dufus behind the bench believed the Entswittle line was a better matchup vs COL top line the other night....amongst other senseless moves.
- PatShart

An AHL player, a 3C and a 3W matching up with other teams top lines every game?

An AHL player, a 3C and a 3W matching up with other teams top lines every game?

- rpeters01

Let me guess: AHL player = Toews, 3C = Kurashev and 3W = Kubalik?

Yea Seth looked frustrated he wasn't out there
- BetweenTheDots

Cool, maybe he'll demand a trade.

Cool, maybe he'll demand a trade.
- Dieselhead

I thought Jones looked good last night and was a big reason they were able to knot the score at the end of the game.

Dach looks to be fully healed and back to having his arrow pointing up curve. His play in OT behind the net wasn't smart but he seems to be so I think it's a learning moment for him.

I thought Borgstrom looked decent last night too for the most part.

There was a comment in the Athletic this am about Kane starting slow. I know he had two assists last night but so far hasn't looked like the difference maker that we're used to.

Still...only two games though maybe someone could save me a spot on the ledge. (RF)

Get well soon Caleb Jones.
I am not a fan of Johnson between Kane and DeBrincat.
I like what I see from Borgstrum.
I would like to see Gaudette with more talented line mates.
I wonder if Strome slots in against the Pens.

DeBrincat Borgstrum Kane
Johnson Toews Kubalik
Kurashev Dach Hagel
Khaira Entwistle Gaudette/Carpenter

Let’s at least give him three games.
- paulr

3 games ??? He's had 3 seasons and about 9 different defenseman to coach his system....including a Hall of Fame Duncan Keith who regressed terribly under him. Time is up !! Everything from line matchups to PP to PK are totally inconsistent game to game. He can not take this team to the next level , just as Denis Savard couldn't (supposedly) back in early 2000's. Another debacle tonight in Pittsburgh without Crosby and Malkin should just about do it. I guess you're right maybe these three games will do it !!!
Let's go Rocky....You can not forfeit another season with his leadership or lack thereof.
Signed....Angry STH !!

Kurashev is fine with Toews and Kubilak

That line should match up vs other teams top lines every game. All 3 play responsible hockey. Let that line play together- just slot them/match them correctly

Hagel is a good 3rd line player as he drives play/likes to carry the puck on his stick. He stretches your lineup.

Instead, dufus behind the bench believed the Entswittle line was a better matchup vs COL top line the other night....amongst other senseless moves.
- PatShart

They're fine ???? I believe they had a total of 3 shots in goal for the entire night ?? That is not fine for a top 6 line, whether they're 1st or 2nd line. That is Brutal. If you want them to be a shutdown checking line, then fine play them against the other team's 3rd line. Point being, Colliton is all over the rink with his lines, adjustments, special teams and defensive pairings.

The Stan Bowman's "let's give it time" comment is absurd as well. This Management's Leadership is what's absurd.
This team has plenty of talent to WIN NOW.

3 games ??? He's had 3 seasons and about 9 different defenseman to coach his system....including a Hall of Fame Duncan Keith who regressed terribly under him. Time is up !! Everything from line matchups to PP to PK are totally inconsistent game to game. He can not take this team to the next level , just as Denis Savard couldn't (supposedly) back in early 2000's. Another debacle tonight in Pittsburgh without Crosby and Malkin should just about do it. I guess you're right maybe these three games will do it !!!
Let's go Rocky....You can not forfeit another season with his leadership or lack thereof.
Signed....Angry STH !!
- Hawkytalk

AS long as Crawford isn't elevated to head coach.

They're fine ???? I believe they had a total of 3 shots in goal for the entire night ?? That is not fine for a top 6 line, whether they're 1st or 2nd line. That is Brutal. If you want them to be a shutdown checking line, then fine play them against the other team's 3rd line. Point being, Colliton is all over the rink with his lines, adjustments, special teams and defensive pairings.

The Stan Bowman's "let's give it time" comment is absurd as well. This Management's Leadership is what's absurd.
This team has plenty of talent to WIN NOW.
- Hawkytalk

Your funny, you're funny, you are funny.

So far, only Dinky, Kubs and Dach have shown up. Kane and Toews are zero's. Most of the rest of our Forwards are castoffs retreads. This does not an offense make. I don't care who the coach is.

3 games ??? He's had 3 seasons and about 9 different defenseman to coach his system....including a Hall of Fame Duncan Keith who regressed terribly under him. Time is up !! Everything from line matchups to PP to PK are totally inconsistent game to game. He can not take this team to the next level , just as Denis Savard couldn't (supposedly) back in early 2000's. Another debacle tonight in Pittsburgh without Crosby and Malkin should just about do it. I guess you're right maybe these three games will do it !!!
Let's go Rocky....You can not forfeit another season with his leadership or lack thereof.
Signed....Angry STH !!
- Hawkytalk

Not a Colliton fan per se or detractor but now we're blaming him for Keith's regression vs the fact on most nights he wasn't paired with another NHL dman, Father Time factoring in and him being trotted out as the #1 dman out of necessity?

Not a Colliton fan per se or detractor but now we're blaming him for Keith's regression vs the fact on most nights he wasn't paired with another NHL dman, Father Time factoring in and him being trotted out as the #1 dman out of necessity?
- HawkintheD

So you're saying that every other hall of fame has never played with a subpar defensive partner ?? That's ridiculous. Keith's decline was because of the aging process of course, but Colliton's use of him was also a part of it. And.... I do not believe that Keith would have wanted to be moved elsewhere if he had a top notch coach here. JMO.