You need balance in pairs.....Keith could push things because Seabrook would back it up. You think Keith becomes the same player if he's paired with Cam Barker and not Seabrook? Not a chance in hell.
- SteveRain

You are right on with this one. Keith does not win one Norris, let alone two without Seabrook.

I still think that the Hawks need another top four defenseman, whether said defenseman is already here (Stillman, Kalynuk) or through trade, but somebody needs to step up. De Haan should not be paired with Jones, need more talent and consistency than De Haan to form a true #1 pairing.

Landeskog is having a hearing. I suspect he’ll be fined with no suspension because Dach wasn’t hurt. Although an injury should be irrelevant to the fact there could easily have been an injury. Like Steve or Rick said, you know Landeskog‘s number. Next game look for an opportunity and drill him with an clean check.
- paulr

IT WILL BE AT LEAST THREE GAMES and the hockey world and his past may make it FIVE.

It was completely unacceptable and the league will use it as a teaching point.

IT WILL BE AT LEAST THREE GAMES and the hockey world and his past may make it FIVE.

It was completely unacceptable and the league will use it as a teaching point.
- wiz1901

When you are on film plastering a guy into the boards who is already down, it's not good optics for Landesgog, the Avalanche, or the league.

IT WILL BE AT LEAST THREE GAMES and the hockey world and his past may make it FIVE.

It was completely unacceptable and the league will use it as a teaching point.
- wiz1901

I hope you’re right but they’ve got it wrong so many times in the past I’m expecting nothing but a fine.

Most NHL teams play pretty similar systems. It's largely the same game wherever you go with coaches each having one or two little tweaks and set plays to try and throw the opponent off.

More or less it comes down to execution more than whatever the break-out is supposed to look like or who is supposed to cover who or whatever.

There's a plan. The plans have been pretty similar your entire career. Execute.
- BINGO!

How many times Carolina get caught with 5 guys on the same side of the ice or being so disorganized they can't break out effectively?

While both Seabrook and Keith benefited from each other, I’d agree that Keith was able to play his game because Seabrook was willing to cover and dare I say, bail him out.
- paulr

Not bail him out - rather, complement his play - allowing both to exploit their individual skills into a top Cup-winning pairing.

How many times Carolina get caught with 5 guys on the same side of the ice or being so disorganized they can't break out effectively?
- fattybeef

They run a similar system, so it must happen all the time, no?

To my knowledge there is no JC patrol? Blaming players falling down or running into each other on the coach is ridiculous. Blaming the coach for a team’s inability to exit the zone or win puck battles is fair and that wasn’t done in the first period. But what about the second and third periods? What about the penalty kills?

Generally a good coach has a good team. Quenneville didn’t look so great in his last two years in Chicago. His team looked disorganized and were unable to win puck battles or make clean exits from their zone. Does this mean Quenneville was a bad coach?

I have no idea if JC is a good coach or not and most posters don’t either. Last night told me the team wasn’t prepared for the opening whistle. Was that in part due to playing a better faster team? Was it in part due to playing in the opposition arena with their boisterous crowd in the mountains? Or was it due to bad coaching on Chicago’s part? I’ll wait until December, not one bad period of one game, like I do every year, to make up my mind about the team and it’s coaching.
- paulr

On two of those goals all 5 guys were on one side of the ice and the back side was wide open. Even if they didn't collide or fall down there was no way they were getting into position to make a play.

That's the problem. Since JC has taken over they've skated around the ice like a bunch of bozos regardless of which players are out there.

They run a similar system, so it must happen all the time, no?
- mohel

Clearly they don't.

I think the opposite is more likely. Keith was able to play the style he played, because Seabrook was always there to bail him out.
- Ogilthorpe2

He also had the legs to bail himself out before his knee operation.

How many times Carolina get caught with 5 guys on the same side of the ice or being so disorganized they can't break out effectively?
- fattybeef

It happened on occasion but as a general rule, not often.

Brind'amour stresses aggression. If you make a mistake, so long as it's as a result of being too aggressive, you won't be punished for it. If you're just out of position because your feet aren't moving, you're going to miss a shift. Do it again and you miss a period. Do it again and... you know.

They run a similar system, so it must happen all the time, no?
- mohel

I think the biggest difference is probably just communication and, you know, player level.

There isn't one guy in Carolina who can't skate, except maybe Stepan now. Even the defensemen who don't have great hands can still move the puck off the wall and up the ice with their feet.

It happened on occasion but as a general rule, not often.

Brind'amour stresses aggression. If you make a mistake, so long as it's as a result of being too aggressive, you won't be punished for it. If you're just out of position because your feet aren't moving, you're going to miss a shift. Do it again and you miss a period. Do it again and... you know.
- BINGO!

That's the accountability that JC needs to install. Haven't seen much of that; maybe because the vets will get sad. But it needs to happen.

Not bail him out - rather, complement his play - allowing both to exploit their individual skills into a top Cup-winning pairing.
- StLBravesFan

Not possible. One is poop, the other is all world. It just depends which one you like more.

It happened on occasion but as a general rule, not often.

Brind'amour stresses aggression. If you make a mistake, so long as it's as a result of being too aggressive, you won't be punished for it. If you're just out of position because your feet aren't moving, you're going to miss a shift. Do it again and you miss a period. Do it again and... you know.
- BINGO![/quote

Like real life you mean? We prefer to communicate with our guys, which only proves how behind the time s you are.

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Colorado’s Gabriel Landeskog will have a hearing for Boarding Chicago’s Kirby Dach.
- Chunk

Landeskog is suspended for 2 games.

It's not the players for the most part, it's an asinine system that results in running into people, falling down, missing assignments, failing to gain possession, and failing to cleanly exit the zone.

The ongoing D zone mess is almost entirely on the coaching staff IMO.
- GreenJeans

I don’t follw...you start by saying it's not the players, and then go on to list 5 things that are entirely, or mostly on the players.

Unless you think the system dictates that they miss assignments and don't exit the zone, maybe, just maybe, a significant part of the blame lies on the players.

That said, I've been a JC supporter in the past, but only due to the circumstances around his hiring. He took over for a legend. He had a COVID shortened season, followed by another COVID shortened season. By all accounts, had inferior players, and never had a full training camp until this year.
This year, he has a roster that should, at a minimum, compete for the playoffs, and he had a full training camp. No more excuses. If they don't show that they are vastly improved over last year, JC needs to go.

Landeskog is suspended for 2 games.
- DarthKane

He caught a break, seeing as he elbowed three other 'Hawks on the way to riding a prone Dach into the boards head first.

Landeskog is suspended for 2 games.
- DarthKane

Good for the league! Thought he would have to endure a lecture only. Everyone across America witnessed what he did. Let the jerk sit for a couple of games.

your suggestion?
- SteveRain

I think its time for a new coach. Its the same issues we continue to see. The players definitely own some of the blame. Are they trying to execute something they don't believe in? Possible. I mean more on a subconscious level more than anything. Its not effort. I think they are actually trying to execute what they coach wants them to do. Problem is we continue to see the same issues.

Do they get 20 games to figure it out with this group? Or will that be too late?

Something isn't working.

nobody here gave Jones the contract or gave up the draft picks players for him. If you want to be angry about it, and not YOU particular but the universal YOU as in the group who is, then blame said person who navigated that transaction.

WE have been through the very small miniscule amount of players who have had massive deals, for massive term who were still worth their deal at the end....I think Paulr and I ended up with Ovechkin and Kane....sure there may be a few others, but not many.

I have hope for Johnson. Think it's dependent upon where they slot him and how he gels with this team. Pretty sure before Cooper asked him to slide down for the betterment of the team he was about a 50 point guy...Hawks don't have the fs Tampa has.....

Johnson moved down because Cirelli and Goude are better players. As for the Jones trade, I said at the time it may be time for Bowman to go. Hamilton signed in Jersey. Don't you think Chicago might be a better spot than Jersey?

Its a move that will set them back for years.

All early....hoping for the best....expecting a playoff push and appearance. Just don't want to see the same damn mistakes over and over again.
- SteveRain

Johnson moved down because Cirelli and Goude are better players. As for the Jones trade, I said at the time it may be time for Bowman to go. Hamilton signed in Jersey. Don't you think Chicago might be a better spot than Jersey?

Its a move that will set them back for years.

Geez, for everyone on the ledge lighten up. We've had 6 preseason games. Most games it was a mix of NHL and minor/junior leaguers. We've had a whole camp, woopty doo that's against ourselves hardly the Avalanche. This will take time even if everything works perfectly. Most here think this is a borderline playoff team. Regarding not being ready to play at the start: who on our team simulates the Avs in practice? As far as disjointed play goes the Avs do that to most teams.

Obvious and deliberate attempts to injure for retaliatory purposes don't work in any sport. That applies to on the fields of play or as message sending reasoning to management.

Don't like what Landeskog did, take his number and file it away under 'future action to be taken'. That was the Gordie Howe way and when he got a player and inflicted some massive pain he reminded him why.

In the meantime, there are a lot of 20 year olds skating around in the NHL these days never thinking there could be a nasty man out there on the ice looking to introduce themselves with a violent hit. Many put themselves in the vulnerable position that results in them getting hurt. Believe it, there are no friends on the ice in opposition sweaters.
- RickJ

I don't believe I've ever seen a player on 1 knee get mauled like that ever. It was a total cheap shot and warrants a minimum of 10 games suspension. Dach's head was fully exposed and he could have been seriously injured. C'mon guys, you don't lay a full blown full speed body hit on a guy who's on 1 knee. He knew exactly what his intent was.

I think its time for a new coach. Its the same issues we continue to see. The players definitely own some of the blame. Are they trying to execute something they don't believe in? Possible. I mean more on a subconscious level more than anything. Its not effort. I think they are actually trying to execute what they coach wants them to do. Problem is we continue to see the same issues.

Do they get 20 games to figure it out with this group? Or will that be too late?

Something isn't working.
- Elbows15

I think 20 seems fair. Something tells me that a coaching decision will come quicker than that. IIRC Savard and Q got tossed earlier. It seems that they shifted from development to attempted contention, and waiting a quarter of the season seems too long if you're going for it. So, I think it'll be about 10 games, if they do it.