It's a good thing Dach didn't go Into the adult film Industry, He just can't finish!

From the last blog, by Trob.

"BS. The is no one in the front office with enough knowledge to dictate what system to run. Stan never played or coached at a significant enough level to understand the nuances. MacIsaac has some playing background and some asst. coaching time, but he's mostly a front office guy. Exactly who in the front office would be dictating style of play. Thats just a fallacy."

That's like saying an NFL GM doesn't know the difference between a 3/4 and a 4/3 defense. Of course they know enough about systems to determine what they want to run. They need that knowledge to look for players who fit into the system they run.

I'm pretty sure Stan said one of the reasons he hired JC was because he was a fit for the system they wanted to run.

Mohel

Did Lou Lamarello play organized hockey? Sam Pollack?, Jimmy Devellano? Bill Torrey?

All managed dynasties and are considered the top GM's of all time.

In contrast Phil Esposito, Mike Milbury, Garth Snow, Dave Taylor all had long NHL careers, and probably are right up there with the worst GM's of all times.

From the last blog, by Trob.

"BS. The is no one in the front office with enough knowledge to dictate what system to run. Stan never played or coached at a significant enough level to understand the nuances. MacIsaac has some playing background and some asst. coaching time, but he's mostly a front office guy. Exactly who in the front office would be dictating style of play. Thats just a fallacy."

That's like saying an NFL GM doesn't know the difference between a 3/4 and a 4/3 defense. Of course they know enough about systems to determine what they want to run. They need that knowledge to look for players who fit into the system they run.

I'm pretty sure Stan said one of the reasons he hired JC was because he was a fit for the system they wanted to run.

Mohel

Did Lou Lamarello play organized hockey? Sam Pollack?, Jimmy Devellano? Bill Torrey?

All managed dynasties and are considered the top GM's of all time.

In contrast Phil Esposito, Mike Milbury, Garth Snow, Dave Taylor all had long NHL careers, and probably are right up there with the worst GM's of all times.
- LAHawk

So are you also defending JC and giving him the benefit of the doubt during this stretch of just horrible hockey?

And again...if players aren't buying in than THAT IS a Stan FAILURE for subjecting a young coach with 1 year of north american hockey under his belt to.....and either you ship off those players OR you have to fire the coach.

I don't disagree that professionals need to be professional but the Hawks look more clown car in their own end then they do just NOT having the skilled players to keep up. That to me screams a major disconnect between what is being asked of the players and the result during the games.

FOr all the fancy chart people....would love to see a shot chart and how many shots are fired from the slot or about 5-8 ft to the left or right....prime scoring chances for F and D men...and that's before we get into the breakdown of coverage near the back door...which YES Q's system had issues with because he wanted his guys to be stick active to make up for the lack of the size....see Keith as exhibit A

So screw hockey and trying to win, just try an murder every guy on the ice in hopes that a body that has shown time and time again they aren't going to change or "protect the players" will actually change. You should be in Congress.
- Chunk

Murder? No, not murder. Just mutilation. We stop at permanent injury. We are civilized, after all.

It's a good thing Dach didn't go Into the adult film Industry, He just can't finish!
- Shady1962

That's actually a pretty good quality to have in a guy in the porn industry. Can be some long days filming.

Murder? No, not murder. Just mutilation. We stop at permanent injury. We are civilized, after all.
- mohel

Speak for yourself. Civilized is so overrated. If a player on my team gets hit I want the best player on the opposing team to pay for it with his life. In fact Chicago should draw and quarter anyone who hits a Hawk player.

The Blackhawks blueline will surely keep Chicago out of the playoffs, Barring a significant trade between now and late winter, I must say though It's entertaining watching Stillman running around cluelessly on the Ice and just running Into people, It's adorable, It's like It's his first day on the job.

It's not the players for the most part, it's an asinine system that results in running into people, falling down, missing assignments, failing to gain possession, and failing to cleanly exit the zone.

The ongoing D zone mess is almost entirely on the coaching staff IMO.

The Blackhawks blueline will surely keep Chicago out of the playoffs, Barring a significant trade between now and late winter, I must say though It's entertaining watching Stillman running around cluelessly on the Ice and just running Into people, It's adorable, It's like It's his first day on the job.
- Shady1962

You’re funny

Speak for yourself. Civilized is so overrated. If a player on my team gets hit I want the best player on the opposing team to pay for it with his life. In fact Chicago should draw and quarter anyone who hits a Hawk player.
- paulr

I was perfectly OK with the response. Johnson jumped in and a few others. Hawks score on that PP...last 2 minutes get VERY INteresting.

part of me was hoping Ratinen (spell) may go Tie Domi on DeHaan Steve Smith style.....so that is my meathead comment of the day. Anything to take that option away from suiting up.

So are you also defending JC and giving him the benefit of the doubt during this stretch of just horrible hockey?

And again...if players aren't buying in than THAT IS a Stan FAILURE for subjecting a young coach with 1 year of north american hockey under his belt to.....and either you ship off those players OR you have to fire the coach.

I don't disagree that professionals need to be professional but the Hawks look more clown car in their own end then they do just NOT having the skilled players to keep up. That to me screams a major disconnect between what is being asked of the players and the result during the games.

FOr all the fancy chart people....would love to see a shot chart and how many shots are fired from the slot or about 5-8 ft to the left or right....prime scoring chances for F and D men...and that's before we get into the breakdown of coverage near the back door...which YES Q's system had issues with because he wanted his guys to be stick active to make up for the lack of the size....see Keith as exhibit A
- SteveRain

All I am trying to point out is the fact that the Hawks seem to be running on a hamster wheel is not because the GM has no playing experience If that is a prerequisite, we can unretire Pulford, who had coaching mistake hires like Dirk Graham, Bill White, Keith Magnuson along with hiring himself 4 times.

It's not the players for the most part, it's an asinine system that results in running into people, falling down, missing assignments, failing to gain possession, and failing to cleanly exit the zone.

The ongoing D zone mess is almost entirely on the coaching staff IMO.
- GreenJeans

Oh boy....now you have done it....prepare for the JC patrol to come to his defense.

I was perfectly OK with the response. Johnson jumped in and a few others. Hawks score on that PP...last 2 minutes get VERY INteresting.

part of me was hoping Ratinen (spell) may go Tie Domi on DeHaan Steve Smith style.....so that is my meathead comment of the day. Anything to take that option away from suiting up.
- SteveRain

I don’t have a problem with what Johnson did even though he bit off way more than he could chew. I take exception to the take Makar out at the knees the next game sentiment.

While I wouldn't necessarily tinker with the forward lines just yet, I would rather have Seth Jones paired with McCabe.

I love it how we have to protect a 9.5 million dollar #1 defenseman to make him look good to justify trading for him and his salary.

Did Duncan Keith need protecting? No.

Plenty of people warned you about Jones. Now it’s coming to fruition.

i don't give a poop if they run a trap, or a run n gun offense....but what I do know is what they ARE running, and HAVE been running.....is NOT working.

Watch Friday and count the number of times a guy is left wide open either

1. at the point
2. back door
3. the middle of the slot

I lose count each game....when things go south, like the 1st 10 minutes it's all day long. Goalies are under siege constantly and guys aren't helping out either by either being far enough way to not block shot with their body and/or stick and screening the goalie.

I don't get the point of a defending a coach who a marginal NHL player, and was plucked out of sweden and 1 year of the AHL before sliding in as HC here. Is it all his fault? I have no idea....but what I do know is he is NOT helping matters.

I'll wait multiple more games, but to have a complete failure again defensively can't always be blamed on the players....and if said players are NOT buying in because either they don't respect JC or whatever else....Bowman has 2 options.....remove said players OR fire the coach.

See what comes home to roost 1st.
- SteveRain

So why is the front office not telling the head coach to change systems? Why was he given a two year contract extension after watching him for two years? Maybe because he's doing what they want him to do? Nah.....

On the defending JC silliness, go back and read my posts earlier today.

Exactly! You guys just don't get it. You make it an all out war, then Bettman and everyone has to face the facts that the DOPS (and officials) have failed this game, and it will have to get cleaned up. Then it puts guys like Wilson and Reeves on notice the proper way. Until something happens, players will still take cheap shots, and get a "maintenance day" suspension.
- powerenforcer

Obvious and deliberate attempts to injure for retaliatory purposes don't work in any sport. That applies to on the fields of play or as message sending reasoning to management.

Don't like what Landeskog did, take his number and file it away under 'future action to be taken'. That was the Gordie Howe way and when he got a player and inflicted some massive pain he reminded him why.

In the meantime, there are a lot of 20 year olds skating around in the NHL these days never thinking there could be a nasty man out there on the ice looking to introduce themselves with a violent hit. Many put themselves in the vulnerable position that results in them getting hurt. Believe it, there are no friends on the ice in opposition sweaters.

All I am trying to point out is the fact that the Hawks seem to be running on a hamster wheel is not because the GM has no playing experience If that is a prerequisite, we can unretire Pulford, who had coaching mistake hires like Dirk Graham, Bill White, Keith Magnuson along with hiring himself 4 times.
- LAHawk

Ok that I get......I have zero clue what is happening internally, and if the best players made the best coaches/gm....I would NOT have to see Wayne and his newly DYED black head of hair mumble up his words in between period. Love Wayne, but yikes......not comfortable at ALL on TV. iT was painful to watch

What I am at a loss for is some posters hard on for thinking after multiple years, multiple players (fs, d, gs) shuffling in and out and the same result in their own zone......just assuming it's 100% on the players and has zero to do with what JC is asking of them.

And no, 88 games out of a 10+ year run under q doens't equate to this being on an going issue......Sorry...not buying that narrative at all....if that was the case, Florida should be having similar issues....and checks notes......they are not.

Most NHL teams play pretty similar systems. It's largely the same game wherever you go with coaches each having one or two little tweaks and set plays to try and throw the opponent off.

More or less it comes down to execution more than whatever the break-out is supposed to look like or who is supposed to cover who or whatever.

There's a plan. The plans have been pretty similar your entire career. Execute.

I love it how we have to protect a 9.5 million dollar #1 defenseman to make him look good to justify trading for him and his salary.

Did Duncan Keith need protecting? No.

Plenty of people warned you about Jones. Now it’s coming to fruition.
- Diamondhands

Duncan Keith had an Olympian and mulitiple all-star Brent Seabrook as his partner.

So why is the front office not telling the head coach to change systems? Why was he given a two year contract extension after watching him for two years? Maybe because he's doing what they want him to do? Nah.....

On the defending JC silliness, go back and read my posts earlier today.
- mohel

Well if you are saying you think Stan is telling JC what to do....then Danny Wirtz has bigger fish to fry......because I don't know, and nobody here knows, if the Hawks upper management will allow Bowman to fire another coach. Especially after going all IN this summer and doing a very strange 180 reversal in their long term outlook.

ANd if Bowman is pushing this crap system, then maybe he should be the one to be poop canned and they can keep JC........

Duncan Keith had an Olympian and mulitiple all-star Brent Seabrook as his partner.
- LAHawk

For the 1st half of his career I agree, not so much the second half.

Ok that I get......I have zero clue what is happening internally, and if the best players made the best coaches/gm....I would NOT have to see Wayne and his newly DYED black head of hair mumble up his words in between period. Love Wayne, but yikes......not comfortable at ALL on TV. iT was painful to watch

What I am at a loss for is some posters hard on for thinking after multiple years, multiple players (fs, d, gs) shuffling in and out and the same result in their own zone......just assuming it's 100% on the players and has zero to do with what JC is asking of them.

And no, 88 games out of a 10+ year run under q doens't equate to this being on an going issue......Sorry...not buying that narrative at all....if that was the case, Florida should be having similar issues....and checks notes......they are not.
- SteveRain

Rainman, who has said the bolded? Who has said it is ALL on the players? Answer, nobody.

I don’t have a problem with what Johnson did even though he bit off way more than he could chew. I take exception to the take Makar out at the knees the next game sentiment.
- paulr

Think it was Mayers who said it best by pointing out all the hits Landenskog (spell) was trying to do that shift by running the D on the ring around, slight elbow skating back, and then smoking Dach.....Hit was borderline.....when I saw it live I thought it was horrible, but Dach was losing his balance a bit and he smoked him a few out from the side......10 years ago....probably not a penalty....sure as hell not one in the playoffs.

I didn't notice much to Kane's game being so "off"...if Hawks hadn't announced he was dealing with something that long term happens in hockey (hips or back is my guess) would anyone here notice? Likely not. Now I fear, that's going to be the new narrative to pound whenever he doesnt get a point.....

Rainman, who has said the bolded? Who has said it is ALL on the players? Answer, nobody.
- mohel

Posters are saying Hawks are not playing defensive hockey.....that seems to be the defense each time they get smoked and anyone calls out JC.....Fs arent' coming back, etc....

Round and round we go......nobody here knows what is being ordered from Bowman POSSIBLY or what JC is asking of said team....but I think we can all agree is that the style they play FAR too often is NOT sustainable.

That's my point. Its not IF they opposing team is going to score it's how quickly....and you know the more I type....think back to that timeout.....JC pulls everyone in, and the very next shift they get a damn train ran on them defensively.....think Pang or Mayers said something along the lines of "I bet he wishes he had that timeout back"

Just a crazy time....go from a rebuild, which I was PERFECTLY OK with....to what seemed as a panic push to make the playoffs....and now the intensity is back watching each game. Still think they can make the playoffs, but they sure as hell better figure out what they are doing in their own zone because it's awful....and these starts to games......no excuse. That IS on the players. Get yourself ready to play...you dont need Herb Brooks preaching every game. I've seen beer league teams start off better than the professionals in the red.

Most NHL teams play pretty similar systems. It's largely the same game wherever you go with coaches each having one or two little tweaks and set plays to try and throw the opponent off.

More or less it comes down to execution more than whatever the break-out is supposed to look like or who is supposed to cover who or whatever.

There's a plan. The plans have been pretty similar your entire career. Execute.
- BINGO!

That's a dirty lie, Bingo! Nobody runs a system anywhere near the thing Coach Beer League runs.

Barry Trotz says basically the same thing. Of course, he doesn't know as much as the Message Board Mafia.

Note to Rainman......JC criticism to follow....

JC is failing because he can't get his players to commit to playing defense. The players are failing because they are not playing defense.

Oh boy....now you have done it....prepare for the JC patrol to come to his defense.
- SteveRain

To my knowledge there is no JC patrol? Blaming players falling down or running into each other on the coach is ridiculous. Blaming the coach for a team’s inability to exit the zone or win puck battles is fair and that wasn’t done in the first period. But what about the second and third periods? What about the penalty kills?

Generally a good coach has a good team. Quenneville didn’t look so great in his last two years in Chicago. His team looked disorganized and were unable to win puck battles or make clean exits from their zone. Does this mean Quenneville was a bad coach?

I have no idea if JC is a good coach or not and most posters don’t either. Last night told me the team wasn’t prepared for the opening whistle. Was that in part due to playing a better faster team? Was it in part due to playing in the opposition arena with their boisterous crowd in the mountains? Or was it due to bad coaching on Chicago’s part? I’ll wait until December, not one bad period of one game, like I do every year, to make up my mind about the team and it’s coaching.