It's true. The team is just not exciting. As a product to sell, Dave Scott has failed miserably.

It's true. The team is just not exciting. As a product to sell, Dave Scott has failed miserably.
- StepfordSam

Now the crosshairs point where they should.

Scott has failed. I believe he was officially promoted in 2013 but my memory is faulty at times.

The brain trust he has continuously chosen has failed to create a product that with the financial power, and somewhat of an attractive destination the Flyers have… shouldn’t struggle so much to build something much better.

Hextall’s refusal to move out veterans in their prime for maximum profit, and a half hearted rebuild was the directional mistaken number one.

Hiring Fletcher, who has never been able to bring his club close to anything other than perpetual first round champions was the directional mistake number two. It’s only shocking to the naive that the current Flyers resemble his Minnesota teams in terms of realistic expectations. Modern Calgary east, in other words.

His third mistake, and most critical is thinking his fanbase is foolish enough to blindly continue to support a flawed model.

The changes that actually do need to happen to this team, need to start the the top. How and why Paul Holmgren had any way whatsoever in the hiring of Fletcher was alarming.

Stewart given a position. Lappy still on board and even promoted.

This isn’t the players on the ice as problem one. Not even close.

The flyers need Hayes to produce and be very good player if they are to have any success imo. So from a team standpoint it isn't fine if he has a bad year.

Now the reasons for him having a potentially down year are all valid. Brothers death, 2 core surgeries in 5 months. That is all I am saying.
- hello it's me 2050

I agree 100% with all of this. Thanks for clarifying.

Always forget I share a bday with Pronger

can the eagles win

I actually think his most recent physical injury might turn out to be a blessing in disguise, as it might enable him to better deal with the severe emotional injury he sustained with the loss of his brother, without having to worry about playing.
- copelal

Personally, I think it's the opposite. Playing would be a welcome distraction where he could focus on hockey. Not playing gives him more time to think about other things.

Hart and Farabee?

The style of play is as low event as one can get, the fear the middle of the ice and opponents know the game plan by now. Clog the boards and the transition game is easily stopped.


- FlyerFan3260

This was a major issue last season. Advanced scouting told teams they had no need to defend the middle of the ice. They could tailor their forecheck to the boards and the Flyers struggled all season on the breakout.

Interesting options today's waiver wire - Logan Brown, Gambrell

This was a major issue last season. Advanced scouting told teams they had no need to defend the middle of the ice. They could tailor their forecheck to the boards and the Flyers struggled all season on the breakout.
- MJL

It was an issue all year, and not one adjustment.

There was lamentation with Laviolette that Holmgren did not cater to the playoff style of his coach. Vigneault has carte blanche, and Fletcher had clearly done what his head coach wants.

Alain is out of excuses, and any prolonged faith in him if they falter is an indication on Fletcher’s ability.

Interesting options today's waiver wire - Logan Brown, Gambrell
- Bayareaflyer

Would absolutely give Brown a shot

sam dohnald

can the eagles win
- 2Real

Can they actually make a touchdown that doesn’t get taken away because of a penalty?

Can they actually make a touchdown that doesn’t get taken away because of a penalty?
- Dkos

whew the flyers better come out with a win or it's going to be rough

waaaaa the team isn't EXCITING enough

sorry if high IQ high skill players like Ryan Ellis and Sean Couturier don't do it for you

go be a bleeping Leafs fan and watch them run up the score in the regular season and then struggle to beat good teams come playoff time

waaaaa the team isn't EXCITING enough

sorry if high IQ high skill players like Ryan Ellis and Sean Couturier don't do it for you

go be a bleeping Leafs fan and watch them run up the score in the regular season and then struggle to beat good teams come playoff time
- Coburns_Nose

Need to make those playoffs first son.

waaaaa the team isn't EXCITING enough

sorry if high IQ high skill players like Ryan Ellis and Sean Couturier don't do it for you

go be a bleeping Leafs fan and watch them run up the score in the regular season and then struggle to beat good teams come playoff time
- Coburns_Nose

Haven’t played a regular season game yet either. It’s really funny.

Why would Ellis and Ristolainen have back to back maintenance days?

can the eagles win
- 2Real

Doug Pederson wasn't the problem as i suspected

Need to make those playoffs first son.
- FlyerFan3260

yes, and i think many people will tell you that the biggest roster difference between the Flyers team that made the playoffs the year prior and the Flyers team that missed the playoffs last year was Matt Niskanen. Not exactly an exciting player

yes, and i think many people will tell you that the biggest roster difference between the Flyers team that made the playoffs the year prior and the Flyers team that missed the playoffs last year was Matt Niskanen. Not exactly an exciting player
- Coburns_Nose

Ahh yes. The legend that is Matt Niskanen. Don’t fall so easily for what the team sells you.

They missed because of young kids regressing/stagnation, and goaltending. Add a PP that did nothing to help a club overcome more talented teams. Here is a hint, the same PP that did exactly that for most years before Therrien touched it.

Even if Niskanen would have helped slot some players into more ideal roles, let’s not pretend we are talking about some sort of messiah.

You can argue against those that question the current process. I laugh at the fools who get excited when Ristolainen beats someone up at the end of a blowout.

There is being a fan, and there is blindly supporting incompetence. The latter is not some medal of honour to wear proudly.

Doug Pederson wasn't the problem as i suspected
- THE EVIL WITHIN

They are a combination of bad and stupid

Samu will be in the NHL. Like the pick a lot. Not sure where he will settle in at the NHL level. But he can move.

Brink looking very very active. Good signs of life. He is in his junior year. A little older. So maybe that is playing a role. But coming alive.

A lot can happen It's a long season. But not a fan of Jones. Watched him play the last few seasons and just don't like the way he moves in net. We all saw his numbers the last few years. That's why I was told "just because you start the season with the team, doesn't mean you'll finish the season with them."......

Doug Pederson wasn't the problem as i suspected
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Wel he was part of it. It just also happens to be Sirriani is just as bad.

It was an issue all year, and not one adjustment.

There was lamentation with Laviolette that Holmgren did not cater to the playoff style of his coach. Vigneault has carte blanche, and Fletcher had clearly done what his head coach wants.

Alain is out of excuses, and any prolonged faith in him if they falter is an indication on Fletcher’s ability.
- FlyerFan3260

You have to take into consideration the circumstances. They had very limited practice time. Last year wasn't the only year that Vigneault coached the Flyers. He improved the team his first year. Albeit with more talent than the previous coach had.

Ahh yes. The legend that is Matt Niskanen. Don’t fall so easily for what the team sells you.

They missed because of young kids regressing/stagnation, and goaltending. Add a PP that did nothing to help a club overcome more talented teams. Here is a hint, the same PP that did exactly that for most years before Therrien touched it.

Even if Niskanen would have helped slot some players into more ideal roles, let’s not pretend we are talking about some sort of messiah.

You can argue against those that question the current process. I laugh at the fools who get excited when Ristolainen beats someone up at the end of a blowout.

There is being a fan, and there is blindly supporting incompetence. The latter is not some medal of honour to wear proudly.
- FlyerFan3260

You make some good points but take a lot of it too far. Having a veteran RH defenseman like Niskanen would've made a significant difference. It would've helped numerous players.