The Leafs are gonna be okay

The Leafs are gonna be okay, say the goddamn words

SAY THE GODDAMN (frank)IN WORDS

Oh he needs a good 3rd d man to play with but so long as he does he plays well.

Don’t build a pairing around him but use him to accent a good d man like Muzzin
- Dozzer

I'd like the guy we got as #4 to be able to hold his own if one of the 3 above him gets injured. Holl has proven that he's not that guy.

Hell, Muzzin-Dermott has proven to be equally as good, if not better, in the limited time they played together.

Although, as of right now, not sure I'd trust Dermott to handle any injury step-up either.

Who do the Leafs have who can go up against top pairings without Muzzin that make $2M or less?
- Canada Cup

It was an off-season problem to solve, and it wasn't addressed. Can't do anything about it now.

I'd like the guy we got as #4 to be able to hold his own if one of the 3 above him gets injured. Holl has proven that he's not that guy.

Hell, Muzzin-Dermott has proven to be equally as good, if not better, in the limited time they played together.

Although, as of right now, not sure I'd trust Dermott to handle any injury step-up either.
- GreatGigInTheSky

If someone on the top pairing gets hurt I can see it being Sandin bumped up, second pairing I’m guessing it will be Dermott

What scares me the most is having a shutdown second pairing of Dermott and Holl if Muzzin gets hurt

Someone was recently heavily banned for seriously threatening another

From now on I won’t even accept it as a joke. If the poster is being serious they will be banned, if it even just a joke the post will be deleted
- Dozzer

How heavily? one of his alts was stirring it up just yesterday.

I'd like the guy we got as #4 to be able to hold his own if one of the 3 above him gets injured. Holl has proven that he's not that guy.

Hell, Muzzin-Dermott has proven to be equally as good, if not better, in the limited time they played together.

Although, as of right now, not sure I'd trust Dermott to handle any injury step-up either.
- GreatGigInTheSky

We can’t afford that guy. We can afford Holl and the who’s better Holl or Dermott is kind of a when did you stop beating your wife debate. The thing is that Holl’s not going to get any better. Maybe Lilljegren becomes a shutdown guy.

If someone on the top pairing gets hurt I can see it being Sandin bumped up, second pairing I’m guessing it will be Dermott

What scares me the most is having a shutdown second pairing of Dermott and Holl if Muzzin gets hurt
- Dozzer

Yeah, that pairing would suck.

If someone on the top pairing gets hurt I can see it being Sandin bumped up, second pairing I’m guessing it will be Dermott

What scares me the most is having a shutdown second pairing of Dermott and Holl if Muzzin gets hurt
- Dozzer

Bad things don’t happen when Muzzin gets hurt. Bad things don’t happen when Muzzin gets hurt

How heavily? one of his alts was stirring it up just yesterday.
- winsix

And I’ve banned two of them once I saw them logged in

Yeah, that pairing would suck.
- GreatGigInTheSky

It would be a pairing thats hard to even just watch

Bad things don’t happen when Muzzin gets hurt. Bad things don’t happen when Muzzin gets hurt
- Canada Cup

We can’t afford that guy. We can afford Holl and the who’s better Holl or Dermott is kind of a when did you stop beating your wife debate. The thing is that Holl’s not going to get any better. Maybe Lilljegren becomes a shutdown guy.
- Canada Cup

Liljegren is for sure on his way. They've done an incredible job with him with the Marlies. Personally, I'd say he's already better than Holl. But I completely understand that he's the odd man out.

Muzzin's health will for sure be the most important thing for the Leafs defense this season.

Liljegren is for sure on his way. They've done an incredible job with him with the Marlies. Personally, I'd say he's already better than Holl. But I completely understand that he's the odd man out.

Muzzin's health will for sure be the most important thing for the Leafs defense this season.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Totally agree about Muzzin, if he gets hurt the leafs shutdown ability by their D is not going to be decent at all

Him being hurt is a scary thought, probably the worst guy to lose tbh

Bad things don’t happen when Muzzin gets hurt. Bad things don’t happen when Muzzin gets hurt
- Canada Cup

Muzzin dies regularly

They have NO depth on defence, and they have taken fliers on guys up front.

Who needs defence depth to win a Cup, anyway?
- fifty__missions

Wrong about so many things.

I’ll start with grammar.

Flyer*

Liljegren is for sure on his way. They've done an incredible job with him with the Marlies. Personally, I'd say he's already better than Holl. But I completely understand that he's the odd man out.

Muzzin's health will for sure be the most important thing for the Leafs defense this season.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I agree Liljegren is on his way. He will be much better than Holl or Dermott IMO, and it won't be long. Many years ago (1971) The Habs drafted a big dman named Larry Robinson. Only 14 teams, and so as a second rounder he was 20th overall. He was pretty good but still spent a year and a half in the AHL. He was a rookie for the Habs at 21. Liljegren will be 22 when he gets called up later this year. I don't expect him to be as good as Robinson or even a HOF player. But I would be surprised if he isn't a good 2nd pairing RHD in the NHL.

Muzzin dies regularly
- drexel

Not true.

Actually other than the 1 year with the leafs (2019-2020) he’s played pretty much full seasons… lowest before that was 74 games with the kings

Problem is that his injuries, even when minor, always seem to have terrible timing

Not true.

Actually other than the 1 year with the leafs (2019-2020) he’s played pretty much full seasons… lowest before that was 74 games with the kings

Problem is that his injuries, even when minor, always seem to have terrible timing
- Dozzer

He got injured in the Hab series last year

Wrong about so many things.

I’ll start with grammar.

Flyer*
- Trevrrrgavo

Thanks for the spelling tip.

Now, onto hockey - so you're saying teams don't need defensive depth to win a Cup?

I’m still scarred from the Luke Schenn experience 😔

If we would have developed him properly, Rielly/Schenn for a decade

If someone on the top pairing gets hurt I can see it being Sandin bumped up, second pairing I’m guessing it will be Dermott

What scares me the most is having a shutdown second pairing of Dermott and Holl if Muzzin gets hurt
- Dozzer

If Dubas believes, as you do, that Sandin can be a legit top four guy this year, Rielly should have already been traded. Because he's walking for nothing after this year. The Leafs have zero track record of bringing back "own rentals". It's management malfeasance.

He got injured in the Hab series last year
- winsix

In game 6 so he did get most of the series in.

Hence why I said terrible timing.

If Dubas believes, as you do, that Sandin can be a legit top four guy this year, Rielly should have already been traded. Because he's walking for nothing after this year. The Leafs have zero track record of bringing back "own rentals". It's management malfeasance.
- fifty__missions

When you consider yourself a cup contender you allow guys to walk for nothing.

Better to have him and go for it then trade him for a D man who would only half as decent if they’re only 4-5 million to sign

I know you don’t consider them to a true contender and that’s why you think this way but the leafs themselves don’t agree with you

Also FYI I think Sandin will be on the bottom pairing not top 4, he’ll be behind Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin, and Holl. I only think he goes in the top 4 of Rielly or Brodie get hurt.

I agree Liljegren is on his way. He will be much better than Holl or Dermott IMO, and it won't be long. Many years ago (1971) The Habs drafted a big dman named Larry Robinson. Only 14 teams, and so as a second rounder he was 20th overall. He was pretty good but still spent a year and a half in the AHL. He was a rookie for the Habs at 21. Liljegren will be 22 when he gets called up later this year. I don't expect him to be as good as Robinson or even a HOF player. But I would be surprised if he isn't a good 2nd pairing RHD in the NHL.
- winsix

You would have seen much more from him by now if that were to happen.

You would have seen much more from him by now if that were to happen.
- fifty__missions

You really need to get it into your head that the leafs consider themselves cup contenders which means not too many rookies at a time. End of story.

You just don’t see them as a contender hence why you think the way you do.