I'm the exact opposite.

No need to wait and see, though. We know what'll happen. Holl will continue to be ass awful and it won't ever be brought up. He'll stay on Muzzin's pair because he is apparently immune to repercussions.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Holl is better suited for the 3rd pairing since he "can be" more physical then Dermott.
I'm with Wedginald on this on, I don't know what type of defenseman Dermott is

The leafs can’t afford 7 d men… they can’t bring Liljegren up because there’s only $80K in cap space
- Dozzer

trades/waivers, we still have time. I think the roster is far from finalized

they did sign him, but maybe out of necessity? I think we can use him as a 7th d-man, but I don't know if I want him handling the puck under any pressure
- PatC80

I think Dermott isn't terrible enough to be a massive trainwreck on the Leafs 3rd pair and he provides a bit of a cushion for the up-and-comers. His cap hit is also tradeable if we need to make some room.

He's our mediocre 6th d-man who doesn't have the advantage of shooting right to get the unearned accolades of his peer, Justin Holl. Ostensibly, he's a 3rd pair guy who is, in reality, merely a temporary placeholder.

...

Was that mean? Does Cornrow Dermott read these blogs?

I think Dermott isn't terrible enough to be a massive trainwreck on the Leafs 3rd pair and he provides a bit of a cushion for the up-and-comers. His cap hit is also tradeable if we need to make some room.

He's our mediocre 6th d-man who doesn't have the advantage of shooting right to get the unearned accolades of his peer, Justin Holl. Ostensibly, he's a 3rd pair guy who is, in reality, merely a temporary placeholder.

...

Was that mean? Does Cornrow Dermott read these blogs?
- mjones242

So, Dermott is on the team, because he's not a "massive trainwreck"?

Holl is better suited for the 3rd pairing since he "can be" more physical then Dermott.
I'm with Wedginald on this on, I don't know what type of defenseman Dermott is
- PatC80

Holl showed that he can play shut down minutes against top lines WITH MUZZIN. I get that everybody here who’s ever put on skates could do the same. If Lilli shows he can do it great, move him there. If not, get him some experience and see if he’s ready later in the year or later.

Holl is cheap. He can kind of do the job and we don’t have anybody else.

So, Dermott is on the team, because he's not a "massive trainwreck"?
- PatC80

That's about the nicest thing I've said about, olde Cornrow.

Holl showed that he can play shut down minutes against top lines WITH MUZZIN. I get that everybody here who’s ever put on skates could do the same. If Lilli shows he can do it great, move him there. If not, get him some experience and see if he’s ready later in the year or later.

Holl is cheap. He can kind of do the job and we don’t have anybody else.
- Canada Cup

He is cheap.

Trading their 24th overall pick (Konecny) to get Dermott and Bracco is looking better and better each day.

You ever notice how FML rhymes with TML?
- Atomic Wedgie

I hated that trade from minute one but many on here thought dubie was being sneaky great.

Holl showed that he can play shut down minutes against top lines WITH MUZZIN. I get that everybody here who’s ever put on skates could do the same. If Lilli shows he can do it great, move him there. If not, get him some experience and see if he’s ready later in the year or later.

Holl is cheap. He can kind of do the job and we don’t have anybody else.
- Canada Cup

I doubt that.. If he were to play a more physical game, he would be fine I think

I hated that trade from minute one but many on here thought dubie was being sneaky great.
- Fakepartofme

I had high hopes for Bracco.. That was just terrible in hindsight

Worth every penny.
- Scabeh

Same here. Starting to make Marner's $10.9 look more digestable about now.

That's about the nicest thing I've said about, olde Cornrow.
- mjones242

I like Dermott, because he has not yet injured Matthews in a practice, or a game

He is cheap.
- mjones242

How’d they do against McDavid last year? For what the Leafs can afford right now he gets the job done. When/if Muzzin goes down they’re (frank)ed. That’s what $2M buys. Maybe Lilli is ready now and better. Maybe in 6 months, maybe never. Holl won’t get any better.

Someone was recently heavily banned for seriously threatening another

From now on I won’t even accept it as a joke. If the poster is being serious they will be banned, if it even just a joke the post will be deleted
- Dozzer

WHAT IN THE WIDE WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS IS AGOIN’ ON HERE!?!

can’t there be a civil discussion on the interwebs without ridicule, hyperbole, cursing, fake cursing or threats of violence?

WHAT IN THE WIDE WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS IS AGOIN’ ON HERE!?!

can’t there be a civil discussion on the interwebs without ridicule, hyperbole, cursing, fake cursing or threats of violence?
- Skalapy

Nice aliteration?

So, Dermott is on the team, because he's not a "massive trainwreck"?
- PatC80

60% high danger chances for while he was on the ice last year.

Not sure that spells train wreck JMO

I don't know what Dermott is.

I thought he was going to turn into a puck-mover like Berard or Gardiner, but he doesn't really do that.

He's not a stay at home.

He's not physical.

He's not great a positioning.

He's not a particularly bad defenceman - he's just a giant tub of vanilla ice cream.

He's like Joe Colborne - I really want him to succeed, but I don't think he'll ever get there.
- Atomic Wedgie

The long and short of this is that he pinches on the offence at the wrong time. And then the puck is in our net.

60% high danger chances for while he was on the ice last year.

Not sure that spells train wreck JMO
- Garnie

sure, but Dermott also had 55.5% O-zone starts

I hated that trade from minute one but many on here thought dubie was being sneaky great.
- Fakepartofme

Sometimes trading down works, sometimes it doesn't. The draft is a massive crapshoot.

An example of where it appears to have worked:

25th pick (Bokk) for 29th (Sandin) and 76th (SDA).

Same here. Starting to make Marner's $10.9 look more digestable about now.
- Leafsmart

Big difference in that Marner's deal was an RFA deal that walks him into free agency. Barkov, a Selke winning elite C, just signed this contract which covers his prime UFA years and is cheaper.

Marner's deal is indefensible.

How’d they do against McDavid last year? For what the Leafs can afford right now he gets the job done. When/if Muzzin goes down they’re (frank)ed. That’s what $2M buys. Maybe Lilli is ready now and better. Maybe in 6 months, maybe never. Holl won’t get any better.
- Canada Cup

McJesus still scored over a ppg against us. It's not like this team was (frank)ing heroic compared to other teams shutting him down.

But if you're trying to argue that Muzzin didn't clearly do the heavy lifting on this line, I'm not buying what you're selling.

Holl is the only thing we can afford for 2nd pair RHD. That doesn't make him particularly good -- it just underlines how the cap has (frank)ed this team's ability to find a better option. Hopefully, Liljegren will be the heir apparent.

I doubt that.. If he were to play a more physical game, he would be fine I think
- PatC80

yeah hole needs to hit the weightpile just like a lot of these pencil necks

i see most of these height to weight ratios on the roster and i cringe

i see guys six five 190 lbs🤣

it tells me that a lot of these creampuffs aren’t willing to put the time in the gym necessary to be generational like Jags and ovie did

not to mention Sid the kid👍🏿

McJesus still scored over a ppg against us. It's not like this team was (frank)ing heroic compared to other teams shutting him down.

But if you're trying to argue that Muzzin didn't clearly do the heavy lifting on this line, I'm not buying what you're selling.

Holl is the only thing we can afford for 2nd pair RHD. That doesn't make him particularly good -- it just underlines how the cap has (frank)ed this team's ability to find a better option. Hopefully, Liljegren will be the heir apparent.
- mjones242

3 goals in 9 games and I said repeatedly that Muzzin is the guy and and that pairing ran up big minutes against top lines all year. Until Lilli or some comes along Holl is doing ok. That’s it. That’s the big news flash. He’s doing ok on in a key job.

not even a scolding? The instigator and two of his alts got a "lengthy" vacation, not sure what exactly that is. UG got a lifetime allegedly, as did his knock off alt.
- winsix

Talked about it at length with a few mods, whom I approached on my own the next day on a hey this went on and we're all still enjoying our freedom basis. I was happy to take the punishment as I committed my own crimes.

The general feedback was that my response was in line with what would be expected from anyone under the same circumstances.

I've been content taking my own time away. If thats my response to that poop a little break from this site isn't going to hurt.

The bad news is "lengthy" does not mean what you would think it does, or even close. We discussed that too, ultimately I respect the jobs the mods do here. Not easy and the paycheque sure doesn't fit the job.

McJesus still scored over a ppg against us. It's not like this team was (frank)ing heroic compared to other teams shutting him down.

But if you're trying to argue that Muzzin didn't clearly do the heavy lifting on this line, I'm not buying what you're selling.

Holl is the only thing we can afford for 2nd pair RHD. That doesn't make him particularly good -- it just underlines how the cap has (frank)ed this team's ability to find a better option. Hopefully, Liljegren will be the heir apparent.
- mjones242

i agree

hole reminds me of a number of stop gap defenseman that the laffs have siqned over the years iot bolster goaltending or forwards(maybe trying to follow the early 80’s oilers model?)