I think he probably comes from a well off family (Sherwood park is an affluent area in Edmonton), but that doesn’t mean that he’s some rich snob. I’ve never gleaned any sense of that in his interviews etc and in fact he seems quite mature to me at least with regard to him engaging with kids etc. Don’t a lot of athletes take advantage of sports psychologists nowadays? The goaltending position is 90 percent mental and to me this sounds like a smart move rather than a sign of immaturity or being spoiled.
- Hextall271

To be clear, I certainly wasn't suggesting Hart is a snob or a bad guy in any way. I was just responding to the post saying that he was "a silver spoon". It seems silly to single Hart out. With hockey being as expensive as it is I'm guessing that most of the players in the league come from privileged upbringing. There is no doubt in my mind that Hart is a hard worker and deserves whatever success he gets. You can't choose the family you're born into. To be as good as Hart is takes a lot more than parents with $$$. There are a lot of kids born into wealthy families that don't make it to the NHL. I dont know why it's a big deal that he went to a sports psychologist when he was young.

It should be clear to you that I stated many, many times that the Flyers made a pre determined decision that Frost would not be ready. I posted numerous times that I thought before the Hayes injury that Frost would not be given a legitimate chance to make the team. So what are you talking about?


I'm 100% fine with letting the merits of Frost's play determine what happens. As it should. Are you on the fence with Frost? I think your concerns will be shown to be not necessary. The idea that he looked like he didn't want to earn the spot is not worthy of an amateur analysis of a player let alone from someone like you who claims to have NHL GM ability to assess a player.
- MJL

Ok, well, I guess being right about so many players just isn't enough for you. So I am on record now that I am concerned about Frost and that I don't see a top 6 forward anywhere in sight. Time will tell whether I am right again about yet another player.

As far as anything being pre-determined, Fletcher was smart to sign some good veteran centers in case of injuries or if Frost was not ready, but this is a far cry from saying anything was pre-determined. Frost was given every chance to win a job this preseason, and he failed to do so. To state Frost was not given a legitimate chance, even before the Hayes injury, is just ignoring the facts. In fact before the Hayes injury, there were strong hope that Frost would win the 3C job and what is sad is he couldn't even do that! At this stage of his career, Brassard is actually better at wing than center, so nothing would have been in the way of Frost winning at least the 3C role, except of course Frost himself.

Hey, I hope I am wrong and Frost is playing a significant role for the Flyers this coming season, but I'll state it again, I don't see.

If you're referring to drafting, Hextall's tenure was solid.
- MJL

You’re right. Look at these centers drafted with 1st round picks between 2016-2018: Rubtsov, Patrick, Frost, and OBrien. That’s about as solid you get and a big reason the Flyers have Derick Brassard starting the season as their 2nd line center.

https://www.broadstreetho...ijWkdZgswfeH95ou44ql4zFpw

Are they serious? I hope they never score a goal at this rate.

This may be the only time in NHL history the goal song gets booed when we DO score.
- MBFlyerfan

Goal songs, imho, are unnecessary. Fire off the goal horn and get on with it. If I wanted to go to a concert or a club I'd go to one.

As songs go, my favorite is Kungs, followed by Baltimora (was a huge song in college), then RBF.

The "winner" will be RBF because beer.

speaking of Hart... just saw that Hart is taking a maintenance day and won't be playing Friday as originally planned! “bumps and bruises”, according to AV

To be clear, I certainly wasn't suggesting Hart is a snob or a bad guy in any way. I was just responding to the post saying that he was "a silver spoon". It seems silly to single Hart out. With hockey being as expensive as it is I'm guessing that most of the players in the league come from privileged upbringing. There is no doubt in my mind that Hart is a hard worker and deserves whatever success he gets. You can't choose the family you're born into. To be as good as Hart is takes a lot more than parents with $$$. There are a lot of kids born into wealthy families that don't make it to the NHL. I dont know why it's a big deal that he went to a sports psychologist when he was young.
- Dkos

Oh I know. I don’t think it’s a big deal at all.

Congrats to tocchet and homer on selection to the FHOF. well deserved.

Guess who won fantasy hockey gold with 1st pick. This guy. Who to choose let me think

Goal songs, imho, are unnecessary. Fire off the goal horn and get on with it. If I wanted to go to a concert or a club I'd go to one.

As songs go, my favorite is Kungs, followed by Baltimora (was a huge song in college), then RBF.

The "winner" will be RBF because beer.
- Scoob

Don’t love those songs for sure. My prediction is Baltimora haha

I find the kungs song a little ho him for a goal song too. Too mellow.

speaking of Hart... just saw that Hart is taking a maintenance day and won't be playing Friday as originally planned! “bumps and bruises”, according to AV
- Dkos

Hope it’s nothing big. Probably nothing.

Looks like this is properly preparing a player fo the season, let him go get his games in . Like you said , he could be back very soon.
- ClaudeFather

SI

Hope it’s nothing big. Probably nothing.
- Hextall271

Don't like it, last game then a week off and he has only played 2 games to date. You would think he needs the game reps and with a week off after? Sounds like more than bumps, hope not.

It was 5 dafts actually, and I wouldn't consider NAK as a core player, or we are really in trouble!
- jd250

Aube-Kubel is and has been an NHL player for this team which makes his selection as a 2nd round pick a solid pick.

Ok, well, I guess being right about so many players just isn't enough for you. So I am on record now that I am concerned about Frost and that I don't see a top 6 forward anywhere in sight. Time will tell whether I am right again about yet another player.

As far as anything being pre-determined, Fletcher was smart to sign some good veteran centers in case of injuries or if Frost was not ready, but this is a far cry from saying anything was pre-determined. Frost was given every chance to win a job this preseason, and he failed to do so. To state Frost was not given a legitimate chance, even before the Hayes injury, is just ignoring the facts. In fact before the Hayes injury, there were strong hope that Frost would win the 3C job and what is sad is he couldn't even do that! At this stage of his career, Brassard is actually better at wing than center, so nothing would have been in the way of Frost winning at least the 3C role, except of course Frost himself.

Hey, I hope I am wrong and Frost is playing a significant role for the Flyers this coming season, but I'll state it again, I don't see.
- jd250

Frost was given an larger opportunity due to the injury to Hayes which at the time of when players like Brassard were signed, was not known. If Hayes was not injured, Frost would not have been given a legitimate chance of making the team. The decision to send him down was pre ordained in my opinion. You have no facts to support it to be different. In fact the facts point towards my opinion being correct.

You keep laying claim to be right about so many players. Your predictions are the equivalent of predicting the Sun to come up. Either that or one player you like plays a pre season game and you claim to be correct. Your comment of being on the fence about Farabee says it all. It's eerily familiar to your current comments on Frost. Someone like you who claims to have GM level abilities should see the talent that Frost has.

Frost was given an larger opportunity due to the injury to Hayes which at the time of when players like Brassard were signed, was not known. If Hayes was not injured, Frost would not have been given a legitimate chance of making the team. The decision to send him down was pre ordained in my opinion. You have no facts to support it to be different. In fact the facts point towards my opinion being correct.

You keep laying claim to be right about so many players. Your predictions are the equivalent of predicting the Sun to come up. Either that or one player you like plays a pre season game and you claim to be correct. Your comment of being on the fence about Farabee says it all. It's eerily familiar to your current comments on Frost. Someone like you who claims to have GM level abilities should see the talent that Frost has.
- MJL

give it up already

Aube-Kubel is and has been an NHL player for this team which makes his selection as a 2nd round pick a solid pick.
- MJL

Depends on the criteria but I would say that picks that make and stay in the nhl count as good picks. They contribute to the nhl team. If we say Core players what’s that top Line of o and d or starter goalie. Man lots of teams have had problems if we use that as the criteria.

Frost was given an larger opportunity due to the injury to Hayes which at the time of when players like Brassard were signed, was not known. If Hayes was not injured, Frost would not have been given a legitimate chance of making the team. The decision to send him down was pre ordained in my opinion. You have no facts to support it to be different. In fact the facts point towards my opinion being correct.

You keep laying claim to be right about so many players. Your predictions are the equivalent of predicting the Sun to come up. Either that or one player you like plays a pre season game and you claim to be correct. Your comment of being on the fence about Farabee says it all. It's eerily familiar to your current comments on Frost. Someone like you who claims to have GM level abilities should see the talent that Frost has.
- MJL

seems a little contradictory. did he have a chance or was it decided well before camp?

give it up already
- bradster

this makes sense

seems a little contradictory. did he have a chance or was it decided well before camp?
- Peter Richards

The bottom line is had the kid went out there and looked like he belonged he would not have been sent down. There was a glaring hole on the roster and he had first crack at it. Time will tell if he can get back to what he is projected to be by many

seems a little contradictory. did he have a chance or was it decided well before camp?
- Peter Richards

It's not contradictory at all.

One of the most depressing camps I can remember. Prospects hardly threatening the bottom barrel UFA’s that were signed.
- Just5

I do not think that outside of producing McDavid type of numbers would change AV's mind on the outcome of camp for the prospects. He likes vets, prefers vets in specific roles, and does not seem to change his mind.

It's not contradictory at all.
- MJL

that wasn't the question. but i already know the answer...no response necessary.

Depends on the criteria but I would say that picks that make and stay in the nhl count as good picks. They contribute to the nhl team. If we say Core players what’s that top Line of o and d or starter goalie. Man lots of teams have had problems if we use that as the criteria.
- Hextall271

just quick question then. and i think this is what the other poster was referring too in regards to the draft and the impact the players taken have made. example Patrick was the second overall pick. If he turns out to be a 4c possible 3c is that a good pick just bc he plays in the nhl? I think people have different expectations of players due to their draft range. Like higher first round picks should be impact players. later first round picks should project to be second or third line players. yes some will fall and later round picks will develop late. Hence the finding a gem. But can easily see any outside of the first/second round that make it to the nhl on a consistent basis were descent picks.

I think the issue he is bringing up is the amount of first round picks made have not panned out. which happens to all organizations. some though it seems more than others.

You’re right. Look at these centers drafted with 1st round picks between 2016-2018: Rubtsov, Patrick, Frost, and OBrien. That’s about as solid you get and a big reason the Flyers have Derick Brassard starting the season as their 2nd line center.
- psuhockey

we signed hayes as well......as the future of patrick was uncertain.

whose 2nd line center is this for 20-21?

51 6 10 16 -4

hint, it is a team in the Metro


The Bruins

Flyers drafting centers in the rebuild is not average, drafting overall yes but they did not succeed with centers. Now it could be Patrick and injuries were just bad luck but as a business they failed.