No. What it would show you is that despite even routinely picking high in the first Round, it is always a crap shoot. You win some and lose some. Unless it’s a clear cut generational talent, it is never certain. I expect that if the analysis was done he’d probably have a record higher than middle pack. Considering how few high number ones we have had you could argue that he’s be higher. Several core players from this team were drafted by him. Other core players are here as a result of trading those prospects.
- Hextall271

right. He was an average drafter it seems. I do not think he is higher than middle of the pack.

He didnt draft any star players, didnt draft (so far) any who are in the top 10 at their positon. Didnt draft a top 6 center. Drafted some good pieces as does pretty much all GM's.

Amazes me the amount of people still hold Saint Ronnie the GM in high regard

right. He was an average drafter it seems. I do not think he is higher than middle of the pack.

He didnt draft any star players, didnt draft (so far) any who are in the top 10 at their positon. Didnt draft a top 6 center. Drafted some good pieces as does pretty much all GM's.

Amazes me the amount of people still hold Saint Ronnie the GM in high regard
- hello it's me 2050

Question for you. If he was such an abject failure as a gm, why is he currently employed as a gm? By a team that has had recent success nonetheless. Might it be that they see the need to rebuild soon through the draft because they’ve jettisoned all their prospects and respect hextall ability to draft?

He did a good job building the core of the team through the draft while rarely having top lottery picks. How many other teams were able to draft star players over that time?

Aren’t we also discounting picks not in the first round? I think that’s we’re drafting is really key. Diamonds in the rough. Oskar for one? Myers as an undrafted ufa?
- Hextall271

We'll see what Lindblom becomes, but for a 5th round pick he has done well. To me a diamond in the rough is Brayden Point picked 79th overall.

We'll see what Lindblom becomes, but for a 5th round pick he has done well. To me a diamond in the rough is Brayden Point picked 79th overall.
- jd250

Those ones are insane. Kudos to them. Boston has also done pretty well.

Yes. Nopa was a complete miss but unfortunately he and hishcier were the consensus top 2. If I was nj I’d want makar over hischier in retrospect.
- Hextall271

At least they got Hischier

Question for you. If he was such an abject failure as a gm, why is he currently employed as a gm? By a team that has had recent success nonetheless. Might it be that they see the need to rebuild soon through the draft because they’ve jettisoned all their prospects and respect hextall ability to draft?

He did a good job building the core of the team through the draft while rarely having top lottery picks. How many other teams were able to draft star players over that time?
- Hextall271

Where did I say he was an abject failure?

The only one he "missed" on was Patrick. He was drafted to heir the #2-1 center. NP not developing into that for the Flyers is extremely detrimental. Now, ive said before about German, there isnt one player selected 8 players before or 20 players later tracking to develop into anything. I cant hold that pick against him but NP hurts
- THE BLACK HAND

The year Rubtsov was picked, the Bruins drafted Charlie MacAvoy 14th overall. Instead of trading down, Hextall could have traded up recognizing that draft was very top heavy. Now I recognize this is pure hindsight and is not fair, but if we are going to praise Hextall as being a drafting God, is it really unfair to judge the actual results of his drafts?

Where did I say he was an abject failure?
- hello it's me 2050

When you state that you’re amazed that people still defend saint Ronnie. As well, you post all about missed picks. As this to make the point that he’d done a solid job?

If you’re playing high level hockey at that young age, I don’t see how it can hurt. Perhaps his parents have a medical background and saw value. To me, it certainly seemed to work. He was incredible in junior hockey. I have no issue with it.
- Hextall271

Why anyone would have a problem with anyone taking care of their mental health and well-being is puzzling to me.

The year Rubtsov was picked, the Bruins drafted Charlie MacAvoy 14th overall. Instead of trading down, Hextall could have traded up recognizing that draft was very top heavy. Now I recognize this is pure hindsight and is not fair, but if we are going to praise Hextall as being a drafting God, is it really unfair to judge the actual results of his drafts?
- jd250

maybe he tried and nobody would trade back.....

Why anyone would have a problem with anyone taking care of their mental health and well-being is puzzling to me.
- Scoob

consider the source

When you state that you’re amazed that people still defend saint Ronnie. As well, you post all about missed picks. As this to make the point that he’d done a solid job?
- Hextall271

Yes how does one defend a guy that did an average job at best overall?

No try again. I showed all his picks in the 1st 2 rds. Not sure how many times I need to say it that he drafted some good solid players. The Saint Ronnie backer club always talks about the guys he drafter on the roster. No league stars by the way.

He did such good job they are basically in the same spot that they were in 7 years ago. Kudos to Saint Ronnie.

Brian Burke is running that show in pitt. You think he moved across the country and came out of retirement to let Ronnie run the team?

consider the source
- THE BLACK HAND

lol true

maybe he tried and nobody would trade back.....
- THE BLACK HAND

maybe he didnt

lol true
- Scoob

wacuratpos

Yes how does one defend a guy that did an average job at best overall?

No try again. I showed all his picks in the 1st 2 rds. Not sure how many times I need to say it that he drafted some good solid players. The Saint Ronnie backer club always talks about the guys he drafter on the roster. No league stars by the way.

He did such good job they are basically in the same spot that they were in 7 years ago. Kudos to Saint Ronnie.

Brian Burke is running that show in pitt. You think he moved across the country and came out of retirement to let Ronnie run the team?
- hello it's me 2050

while currently I agree he did an average=good job, you really do need to compare him to the rest of the GM's. It is the only way to know where he ranks among the 30 other GM's. Again, currently, I find it to be average. Draft year also has an impact, IT FEELS LIKE, the Rangers and Devils during their rebuild were picking in much better drafts.

Yes how does one defend a guy that did an average job at best overall?

No try again. I showed all his picks in the 1st 2 rds. Not sure how many times I need to say it that he drafted some good solid players. The Saint Ronnie backer club always talks about the guys he drafter on the roster. No league stars by the way.

He did such good job they are basically in the same spot that they were in 7 years ago. Kudos to Saint Ronnie.

Brian Burke is running that show in pitt. You think he moved across the country and came out of retirement to let Ronnie run the team?
- hello it's me 2050

while currently I agree he did an average=good job, you really do need to compare him to the rest of the GM's. It is the only way to know where he ranks among the 30 other GM's. Again, currently, I find it to be average. Draft year also has an impact, IT FEELS LIKE, the Rangers and Devils during their rebuild were picking in much better drafts.

Aren’t we also discounting picks not in the first round? I think that’s we’re drafting is really key. Diamonds in the rough. Oskar for one? Myers as an undrafted ufa?
- Hextall271

Dont think we have any diamonds in this system from Hextall.

Yes how does one defend a guy that did an average job at best overall?

No try again. I showed all his picks in the 1st 2 rds. Not sure how many times I need to say it that he drafted some good solid players. The Saint Ronnie backer club always talks about the guys he drafter on the roster. No league stars by the way.

He did such good job they are basically in the same spot that they were in 7 years ago. Kudos to Saint Ronnie.

Brian Burke is running that show in pitt. You think he moved across the country and came out of retirement to let Ronnie run the team?
- hello it's me 2050[/quote

So you are saying he’s an abject failure. Got it. Hard to keep track.

Haha. So we’ve now moved on to stating that Burke is the real gm and the hextall is just a highly paid place holder with no power or say in to draft or make trades? Ok. Got it.

Those ones are insane. Kudos to them. Boston has also done pretty well.
- Hextall271

Boston whiffed on their three 2015 first rounders. Could have had Barzal, Connor and Chabot. Also Boeser, TK, etc.

Yes how does one defend a guy that did an average job at best overall?

No try again. I showed all his picks in the 1st 2 rds. Not sure how many times I need to say it that he drafted some good solid players. The Saint Ronnie backer club always talks about the guys he drafter on the roster. No league stars by the way.

He did such good job they are basically in the same spot that they were in 7 years ago. Kudos to Saint Ronnie.

Brian Burke is running that show in pitt. You think he moved across the country and came out of retirement to let Ronnie run the team?
- hello it's me 2050

So you are saying he’s an abject failure. Got it. Hard to keep track.

Haha. So we’ve now moved on to stating that Burke is the real gm and the hextall is just a highly paid place holder with no power or say in to draft or make trades? Ok. Got it.

Jeez. Price has entered the player assistance program. Hope he’s ok. Out indefinitely.

So you are saying he’s an abject failure. Got it. Hard to keep track.

Haha. So we’ve now moved on to stating that Burke is the real gm and the hextall is just a highly paid place holder with no power or say in to draft or make trades? Ok. Got it.
- Hextall271

Well Burke does have the higher title does he not? So you think Saint Ronnie doesnt go to burke first when he is about to make a move? Also Did I say no power or say. He has say my guess is it isnt the final say.

No you clearly dont got it.

Well Burke does have the higher title does he not? So you think Saint Ronnie doesnt go to burke first when he is about to make a move? Also Did I say no power or say. He has say my guess is it isnt the final say.

No you clearly dont got it.
- hello it's me 2050

I get it. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

While you don’t think so, many in the league including Burke have assessed that hextall has done a solid job drafting and is respect for his work in LA and here. THAT is why he was hired in pitt. To oversee a last run in pitt and then likely a rebuild. Not to be a puppet for Burke and I expect he does have as much power as all of the other gm s in the league. Again, if he was so bad why is he still a gm in the league overseeing drafting?

The only one he "missed" on was Patrick. He was drafted to heir the #2-1 center. NP not developing into that for the Flyers is extremely detrimental. Now, ive said before about German, there isnt one player selected 8 players before or 20 players later tracking to develop into anything. I cant hold that pick against him but NP hurts
- THE BLACK HAND

Id take a 4th liner over rubstov, at least you got something out of that picks, plenty of players after him will or already are a 4th liner.