They way I read your comment is that he failed rather than just being a case of being rusty as a player and needing more time.
- MJL

As I have posted, I am rooting for Frost (if for no other reason than I don't want to miss on yet another 1st round pick), but I'll be honest, I don't see a top 6 forward here. I didn't see it when he played the 4 or 5 periods last year. I didn't see it in the rookie game I watched, and I didn't see it in the pre-season games where Frost was playing against other team's B players. I hope I am wrong about him and its just about confidence and knocking off the rust, but I have concerns.

I'll give you this, you are consistent!
- jd250

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I see the exact opposite. He seems like a very mature conscientious kid who thrives on structure both on the ice and in his personal life. That is about as far from having a silver spoon as I can think of.
- MBFlyerfan

Agreed. The fact that he is doing whatever it takes to ensure that he deliver his best performance consistently shows maturity in my view. If he were to approach it as saying I know what’s best, I don’t need any support or coaching on ice of off in any way, now that would show immaturity.

any kid who at 10 or 12 years old has a sports psychologist seems like a silver spoon to me
- hello it's me 2050

Not sure how health care works in Canada. Maybe seeing a sports psychologist is free? I’d guess that most players in the NHL come from a privileged background; especially in the US. It’s expensive to play hockey.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Frost back with the team by opening night or even more likely game 2.

The Phantoms have 2 preseason games and 3 regular season games before the Flyers play their 2nd game. There could be a method to the Flyers madness here trying to get Frost as many live games as possible in as short a time as possible. Its the only true way for him to get his game back. It just cant really be done at practice.
- MBFlyerfan

I wouldn't hold your breath!

Patrick is a huge hit. Missed on too many top picks is simply wrong
- THE BLACK HAND

How many misses on 1st round picks in 5 drafts is too many to you?

Not sure how health care works in Canada. Maybe seeing a sports psychologist is free? I’d guess that most players in the NHL come from a privileged background; especially in the US. It’s expensive to play hockey.
- Dkos

I think he probably comes from a well off family (Sherwood park is an affluent area in Edmonton), but that doesn’t mean that he’s some rich snob. I’ve never gleaned any sense of that in his interviews etc and in fact he seems quite mature to me at least with regard to him engaging with kids etc. Don’t a lot of athletes take advantage of sports psychologists nowadays? The goaltending position is 90 percent mental and to me this sounds like a smart move rather than a sign of immaturity or being spoiled.

Saint Ronnies 1st and 2nd rd picks.

2014 - Sanhero NAK

2015 - TK Ivan

2016 - German Labarge Hart Allison

2017 - Frost Ratcliffe Nolan

2018 - Joel JOB Ginning

How do you rate him based on the picks from above. Not a superstar out of the bunch. None who are top 10 at their position.
- hello it's me 2050

You listed 14 names here, 4 (Farabee, TK, Provey and Hart) are solid picks, but the others ...

I wouldn't hold your breath!
- jd250

What doesn’t sound reasonable about this? Not sure it will happen, but we’ve got 1 game in the next ten days while Lehigh valley plays 3 or 4 (have to check). That’s more game time for him to get his mojo back and confidence back. While he can practice here, those are games and would help more than practice.

Say if he does really well down there, Then you simply recall him to start the season. I think it makes perfect sense. Not sure that’s the plan obviously but it’s possible

You listed 14 names here, 4 (Farabee, TK, Provey and Hart) are solid picks, but the others ...
- jd250

Aren’t we also discounting picks not in the first round? I think that’s we’re drafting is really key. Diamonds in the rough. Oskar for one? Myers as an undrafted ufa?

Not sure how health care works in Canada. Maybe seeing a sports psychologist is free? I’d guess that most players in the NHL come from a privileged background; especially in the US. It’s expensive to play hockey.
- Dkos

expensive is an understatement. Tier 1 hockey- 7k to play on said team. Pretty much traveling every weekend via driving or flying. Hotel cost, food, gas, tolls. Add in doing summer tournys. Getting private lessons. If your a goalie 5k for good top end gear.

You are talking anywhere on the cheap end 15k to start to how ever the much you want to spend.

Compare that to other sports. I would guess hockey easily most expensive.

I think he probably comes from a well off family (Sherwood park is an affluent area in Edmonton), but that doesn’t mean that he’s some rich snob. I’ve never gleaned any sense of that in his interviews etc and in fact he seems quite mature to me at least with regard to him engaging with kids etc. Don’t a lot of athletes take advantage of sports psychologists nowadays? The goaltending position is 90 percent mental and to me this sounds like a smart move rather than a sign of immaturity or being spoiled.
- Hextall271

Not sure where his maturity was being questioned. Pro Athlete may use one; my point was how many 10-12 year old do?

Aren’t we also discounting picks not in the first round? I think that’s we’re drafting is really key. Diamonds in the rough. Oskar for one? Myers as an undrafted ufa?
- Hextall271

Go look at his picks from rd 3-7. Did he do a good job there?

Not sure where his maturity was being questioned. Pro Athlete may use one; my point was how many 10-12 year old do?
- hello it's me 2050

If you’re playing high level hockey at that young age, I don’t see how it can hurt. Perhaps his parents have a medical background and saw value. To me, it certainly seemed to work. He was incredible in junior hockey. I have no issue with it.

How many misses on 1st round picks in 5 drafts is too many to you?
- jd250

The only one he "missed" on was Patrick. He was drafted to heir the #2-1 center. NP not developing into that for the Flyers is extremely detrimental. Now, ive said before about German, there isnt one player selected 8 players before or 20 players later tracking to develop into anything. I cant hold that pick against him but NP hurts

Go look at his picks from rd 3-7. Did he do a good job there?
- hello it's me 2050

Have you done a full comparison with all other gms in the league over that time frame to be able to see where his record lies vice his peers?

If you’re playing high level hockey at that young age, I don’t see how it can hurt. Perhaps his parents have a medical background and saw value. To me, it certainly seemed to work. He was incredible in junior hockey. I have no issue with it.
- Hextall271

I think you are missing my point. How many 10-12 year olds have one is all I am saying.

Go look at his picks from rd 3-7. Did he do a good job there?
- hello it's me 2050

Please show me other teams picks from the same time frame. Farabee TK Provy (loaded top 10) Sanheim and Hart are all good picks. Show me a teams NHL regulars from the same time frame. The Nolan Patrick pick is an absolute blunder

Have you done a full comparison with all other gms in the league over that time frame to be able to see where his record lies vice his peers?
- Hextall271

nope and do not care to as really doesn't matter. So if another GM fails that excuses his bad picks?

Judge him on the picks he made. No need to complicate it.

I think you are missing my point. How many 10-12 year olds have one is all I am saying.
- hello it's me 2050

I would say few but I am not certain when we are talking about minor hockey or junior players. His parents may be affluent and thought it would help. As I said, Sherwood park is a well off area of Edmonton.

Please show me other teams picks from the same time frame. Farabee TK Provy (loaded top 10) Sanheim and Hart are all good picks. Show me a teams NHL regulars from the same time frame. The Nolan Patrick pick is an absolute blunder
- ClaudeFather

Why do research in order to provide quantitative comparison when its easier to half-ass criticize without proper context?

nope and do not care to as really doesn't matter. So if another GM fails that excuses his bad picks?

Judge him on the picks he made. No need to complicate it.
- hello it's me 2050

No. What it would show you is that despite even routinely picking high in the first Round, it is always a crap shoot. You win some and lose some. Unless it’s a clear cut generational talent, it is never certain. I expect that if the analysis was done he’d probably have a record higher than middle pack. Considering how few high number ones we have had you could argue that he’s be higher. Several core players from this team were drafted by him. Other core players are here as a result of trading those prospects.

Please show me other teams picks from the same time frame. Farabee TK Provy (loaded top 10) Sanheim and Hart are all good picks. Show me a teams NHL regulars from the same time frame. The Nolan Patrick pick is an absolute blunder
- ClaudeFather

We are not talking about other teams. Talking about Hextalls picks. You can find them rather easily. No one has said those 5 are not good picks. He was an average drafter it seems. Nothing more.

Why do research in order to provide quantitative comparison when its easier to half-ass criticize without proper context?
- THE BLACK HAND

yeah why the simple facts of who he drafted get in the way. It was proper context. You just choose to accept it isnt.

Please show me other teams picks from the same time frame. Farabee TK Provy (loaded top 10) Sanheim and Hart are all good picks. Show me a teams NHL regulars from the same time frame. The Nolan Patrick pick is an absolute blunder
- ClaudeFather

Yes. Nopa was a complete miss but unfortunately he and hishcier were the consensus top 2. If I was nj I’d want makar over hischier in retrospect.