The actual problem here isn't with Tampa for trying it. The problem is that the NHL has specific clauses that allow them to investigate the veracity of these claims and they have not utilized that process despite it being absolutely apparent to everyone everywhere that the process was being exploited.

There is an obvious optics problem and a reality problem that the NHL could have resolved but they didn't even bother.
- Monkeypunk

They reviewed the records from his medical team including the surgeon who happened to be the head physician for the Rangers. What do you expect them to say?

I thought he got injured when he made that awkward stop in the crease? ( when he was a leaf )
- Garnie

He did, could have been old injury, like most hockey players his age have.

im not against a rental, I think in certain cases they can be a difference maker. but its rare

but a 1st and 2 4rd picks for an old damaged player is wack
he played 11 games for the leafs
- senstroll

Dubie likes to overpay, both in contracts and sometimes in trades.

I understand but it would have added a lot.
- Canada Cup

I completely agree. I would love to know that stuff as well. What were they considering, what did they value the guys they considered at, and why did they make the decisions they did.

I think Foligno was the right add - and just about everyone did. It just didn't work out.

Dubie likes to overpay, both in contracts and sometimes in trades.
- Fakepartofme

I can think of only Marner as an overpay contract-wise.

Per trades, I dunno, TDL deals are always going to be an overpay -- it's just part for the course. In retrospect, I'd like those assets back we gave up in the Foligno deal, but whatcha gonna do? 🤷

I can think of only Marner as an overpay contract-wise.

Per trades, I dunno, TDL deals are always going to be an overpay -- it's just part for the course. In retrospect, I'd like those assets back we gave up in the Foligno deal, but whatcha gonna do? 🤷
- mjones242

Marner.
Willie was at the time. His salary is 7.4 - but no biggie now
At 5 years, matthews is little bit as well....not a popular opinion..I get it.

But marner is by far the biggest overpayment.

They reviewed the records from his medical team including the surgeon who happened to be the head physician for the Rangers. What do you expect them to say?
- Canada Cup

Doctor Ho says Kuch was not clear to play until the first millisec of the playoffs and that it was clearly a miracle that he led the forward group in icetime despite not playing a single shift when cap counted during the regular season. Dr. Ho adds he was not paid anything to say this.

Marner.
Willie was at the time. His salary is 7.4 - but no biggie now
At 5 years, matthews is little bit as well....not a popular opinion..I get it.

But marner is by far the biggest overpayment.
- Fakepartofme

Marner is the 14th highest player in the league who is top 5 in scoring

Hate to break it to you but his salary is not overpaid

Marner.
Willie was at the time. His salary is 7.4 - but no biggie now
At 5 years, matthews is little bit as well....not a popular opinion..I get it.

But marner is by far the biggest overpayment.
- Fakepartofme

But Willy's cap hit is 6.9

Marner is the 14th highest player in the league who is top 5 in scoring

Hate to break it to you but his salary is not overpaid
- Dozzer

Not by much if it is.

And when he scores 100 points and wins the Conn Smythe this year it'll be just right.

It would be the doctors set out in the CBA which they followed. Why is it so hard to understand that the problem is the rules that everyone agreed to, not the outcome we don’t like when someone pushed the rules to the limit?
- Canada Cup

Because the CBA expressly states that if a team figures out a way to cheat the cap within the existing rules, the commish can step in and put a stop to it.

Bettman did it with the Luongo contract.

Bettman did it with the Kovalchuk contract.

But he refused to do jack with the Kucherov situation.

Marner is the 14th highest player in the league who is top 5 in scoring

Hate to break it to you but his salary is not overpaid
- Dozzer

I would argue Cap hit is more relevant than salary. He is #7 cap hit.

3rd highest RFA contract behind only Mcdavid and Matthews.

Yeesh, Wedgie. Getting a little hyperbolic this lunch hour? Have a Snickers.

It was a good trade that addressed a need. He got hurt. It sucks.

We gave up more for Owen Nolan, but likewise it was a good deal at the time.
- Monkeypunk

We gave up a 1st round pick for a third line winger on an expiring contract.

It was waaaaaaay too much.

Boston paid a 2nd round pick for Hall.

But Willy's cap hit is 6.9
- Zezel

It’s actually much closer to 7

$6,962,366

I have no idea why the media rounds it down

They reviewed the records from his medical team including the surgeon who happened to be the head physician for the Rangers. What do you expect them to say?
- Canada Cup

"If he's so hurt, why is he fully participating in practices seven weeks before the playoffs?"

I'd start there...

I would argue Cap hit is more relevant than salary. He is #7 cap hit.

3rd highest RFA contract behind only Mcdavid and Matthews.
- Leafs43

But it leads him into UFA so the RFA part doesn’t count

And 7th highest yet 5th best point producer

Sorry, he’s worth what he makes

"If he's so hurt, why is he fully participating in practices seven weeks before the playoffs?"

I'd start there...
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah that's odd

"If he's so hurt, why is he fully participating in practices seven weeks before the playoffs?"

I'd start there...
- Atomic Wedgie

He was getting in shape.

But Willy's cap hit is 6.9
- Zezel

Yes, but had is salary been 6.9, his cap hit would be even lower.
No biggie now as long as he continues to get 65 - 75pts

But it leads him into UFA so the RFA part doesn’t count

And 7th highest yet 5th best point producer

Sorry, he’s worth what he makes
- Dozzer

They ate up two UFA years. The majority of his contract covers RFA years, which are generally cheaper.

I seriously doubt any other team was willing to give Marner nearly 11 million (and the Leafs 4 first round picks) or that Marner would have even been willing to sign an offersheet and leave TO.

That is why I consider the contract an overpay. TO had leverage to get the $$$ lower, but ended up at the big number. Marner had next to no leverage in my opinion.

It’s actually much closer to 7

$6,962,366

I have no idea why the media rounds it down
- Dozzer

LOL
I just round it down for the willie lovers, saves argument.

He was getting in shape.
- bixll

Doctors said he couldn't play unless his hip was taped up, and unfortunately the brand of kinesio tape the Lightning use was on back-order.



Their hands were tied!

There was nothing they could do!

They ate up two UFA years. The majority of his contract covers RFA years, which are generally cheaper.

I seriously doubt any other team was willing to give Marner nearly 11 million (and the Leafs 4 first round picks) or that Marner would have even been willing to sign an offersheet and leave TO.

That is why I consider the contract an overpay. TO had leverage to get the $$$ lower, but ended up at the big number. Marner had next to no leverage in my opinion.
- Leafs43

Agreed.

Yes, but had is salary been 6.9, his cap hit would be even lower.
No biggie now as long as he continues to get 65 - 75pts
- Fakepartofme

Oh he will brother, and then some

40 goals for Floaty McStylander this season, I called it

Suck it, Garnie!

Because the CBA expressly states that if a team figures out a way to cheat the cap within the existing rules, the commish can step in and put a stop to it.

Bettman did it with the Luongo contract.

Bettman did it with the Kovalchuk contract.

But he refused to do jack with the Kucherov situation.
- Atomic Wedgie

Those are guys doing accountant type things. Kuch’s doctor, top hip around who is also the Rangers’ team physician makes the call about Kuch being fit to play, not fit to practice but fit to play. Gary doesn’t have a bean counter he can throw up against that guy. It’s a different set of arguments and one Gary can’t win.