They ate up two UFA years. The majority of his contract covers RFA years, which are generally cheaper.

I seriously doubt any other team was willing to give Marner nearly 11 million (and the Leafs 4 first round picks) or that Marner would have even been willing to sign an offersheet and leave TO.

That is why I consider the contract an overpay. TO had leverage to get the $$$ lower, but ended up at the big number. Marner had next to no leverage in my opinion.
- Leafs43

This is changing.

My head says that teams are slowing clueing in to the fact that you shouldn't give guys 8 years contracts and max $$$ after their 27th birthday, but then of course I remember that NHL GMs are completely franking stupid.

I love Tavares, but I can't help but think we would have been better off in the long run not signing him.

Marner is the 14th highest player in the league who is top 5 in scoring

Hate to break it to you but his salary is not overpaid
- Dozzer

He's 7th highest in cap hit.
He's a tad overpaid.
But it is what it is.

Marner is the 14th highest player in the league who is top 5 in scoring

Hate to break it to you but his salary is not overpaid
- Dozzer

I like Marner alot. For me, his direct comparables are Kucherov, Rantanen, Patrick Kane, Pastrnak and Stone. These are the best right wingers in the league and three of them have won cups. It would be difficult to argue that Marner is better than any of these except maybe Stone. Marner makes more money than any of these, so IMO he's overpaid.

They ate up two UFA years. The majority of his contract covers RFA years, which are generally cheaper.

I seriously doubt any other team was willing to give Marner nearly 11 million (and the Leafs 4 first round picks) or that Marner would have even been willing to sign an offersheet and leave TO.

That is why I consider the contract an overpay. TO had leverage to get the $$$ lower, but ended up at the big number. Marner had next to no leverage in my opinion.
- Leafs43

Getting him to a deal was openly reported as a bit of a fight

He was willing to sit out. And since they signed Tavares and Matthews at the price they did Marner and his agent wasn’t going to accept anything less. It took the leafs months.

This is changing.

My head says that teams are slowing clueing in to the fact that you shouldn't give guys 8 years contracts and max $$$ after their 27th birthday, but then of course I remember that NHL GMs are completely franking stupid.

I love Tavares, but I can't help but think we would have been better off in the long run not signing him.
- Atomic Wedgie

Agreed.
But the thinking was, you needed two top C.

And of course the cap was going to continue to rise....should be at about 87 - 88 right now.

He's 7th highest in cap hit.
He's a tad overpaid.
But it is what it is.
- Fakepartofme

7th was last year,

This year he’s 14th

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/top-20-salaries

Agreed.
But the thinking was, you needed two top C.

And of course the cap was going to continue to rise....should be at about 87 - 88 right now.
- Fakepartofme

Dubas couldn't predict the pandemic.

That's some low level management right there.

I like Marner alot. For me, his direct comparables are Kucherov, Rantanen, Patrick Kane, Pastrnak and Stone. These are the best right wingers in the league and three of them have won cups. It would be difficult to argue that Marner is better than any of these except maybe Stone. Marner makes more money than any of these, so IMO he's overpaid.
- winsix

They’re better yet Marner overscores all of them

Sorry but you’re flat out incorrect

"If he's so hurt, why is he fully participating in practices seven weeks before the playoffs?"

I'd start there...
- Atomic Wedgie

Surgeon says some poop in Latin and it’s done. Gary will only go as far as other owners want him to go. None of them want someone else coming in and second guessing their medical decisions. They have enough trouble fighting their players on medical issues.

Those are guys doing accountant type things. Kuch’s doctor, top hip around who is also the Rangers’ team physician makes the call about Kuch being fit to play, not fit to practice but fit to play. Gary doesn’t have a bean counter he can throw up against that guy. It’s a different set of arguments and one Gary can’t win.
- Canada Cup

TB was nearly 20 million over the cap during the playoffs

Multiple guys were “hurt” and became ok at the same time which was game 1 of the playoffs

If you think that was sincere you’re a fool

They’re better yet Marner overscores all of them

Sorry but you’re flat out incorrect
- Dozzer[/quot

Doctors said he couldn't play unless his hip was taped up, and unfortunately the brand of kinesio tape the Lightning use was on back-order.



Their hands were tied!

There was nothing they could do!
- Atomic Wedgie

These things happen....

So who would you drop to have him be the 7th d man? The leafs only have $80K in cap space

And defence will be:

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Sandin Dermott

None of those guys would be waiver exempt so who do you drop to give Liljegren a chance?

Also there’s no damn way in hell the leafs will play two rookie defensemen when they consider themselves cup contenders
- Dozzer

Sandin is still waivers-exempt.

This is changing.

My head says that teams are slowing clueing in to the fact that you shouldn't give guys 8 years contracts and max $$$ after their 27th birthday, but then of course I remember that NHL GMs are completely franking stupid.

I love Tavares, but I can't help but think we would have been better off in the long run not signing him.
- Atomic Wedgie

Wedgie, you’re lucky my doctor won’t let me engage in strenuous activities, at least until the playoffs

TB was nearly 20 million over the cap during the playoffs

Multiple guys were “hurt” and became ok at the same time which was game 1 of the playoffs

If you think that was sincere you’re a fool
- Dozzer

Not just ok, Kuch had the most minutes in game one.

They ate up two UFA years. The majority of his contract covers RFA years, which are generally cheaper.

I seriously doubt any other team was willing to give Marner nearly 11 million (and the Leafs 4 first round picks) or that Marner would have even been willing to sign an offersheet and leave TO.

That is why I consider the contract an overpay. TO had leverage to get the $$$ lower, but ended up at the big number. Marner had next to no leverage in my opinion.
- Leafs43

The leverage was 'created' in favor of Marner at the fault of Dubas for waiting a bit too long and letting it come down to the wire. Marner's team got leverage because they knew Dubas wouldn't want another Nylander incident. It happened with Nylander too obviously. Matthews got pretty much the best deal he could possibly want.

Dubas doesn't get enough flack for always letting the other side 'find' or 'create' leverage. He is a terrible negotiator for that reason alone. RFAs are suppose to have very little leverage, not ours.

We're seeing it now with Rielly. IMO, that deal should have been agreed to before last year's TDL and signed this summer. Every day Rielly gets closer to UFA the more leverage is 'created' for Rielly's team.

Pretty sure the book is out on Dubas. His deals are always now shrouded in too much patience or not enough pressure to get things done. And that is why ALL of the contracts he has done are a million or two too much or a year or two too short.

Sandin is still waivers-exempt.
- Atomic Wedgie

I doubt he goes down this year. JMO

Sandin is still waivers-exempt.
- Atomic Wedgie

And how dare I listen to the coaching staff of the leafs

7th was last year,

This year he’s 14th

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/top-20-salaries
- Dozzer

But that's not cap, so some of the top of the list players are higher than they would be.
Price's salary is 13m but cap hit is only 10.5
Similarly, willie would be higher on the salary list at 7.4m but his cap his is only 6.9.

So marner still has the 7th highest cap hit.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/rankings/2022/cap-hit/

TB was nearly 20 million over the cap during the playoffs

Multiple guys were “hurt” and became ok at the same time which was game 1 of the playoffs

If you think that was sincere you’re a fool
- Dozzer

If you think the word sincere is in the CBA, you’re a bigger, you’re a bigger….. ref

But that's not cap, so some of the top of the list players are higher than they would be.
Price's salary is 13m but cap hit is only 10.5
Similarly, willie would be higher on the salary list at 7.4m but his cap his is only 6.9.

So marner still has the 7th highest cap hit.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/rankings/2022/cap-hit/
- Fakepartofme

Holy crap there are some crap contracts out there...

TB was nearly 20 million over the cap during the playoffs

Multiple guys were “hurt” and became ok at the same time which was game 1 of the playoffs

If you think that was sincere you’re a flat out fool
- Dozzer

1. The number just keeps going up. It used to be 18 million, now it's apparently 20 million.

2. The combined salary cap hit of the 20 starting players in game 1 of the playoffs for the TBL was about 88.6 million. Certainly over the cap. But nowhere near 20 million or 18 million over.

Wedgie, you’re lucky my doctor won’t let me engage in strenuous activities, at least until the playoffs
- Canada Cup

So, if Tavares isn't ready until the playoffs start, can we bring in Malkin?

If you think the word sincere is in the CBA, you’re a bigger, you’re a bigger….. ref
- Canada Cup

It is,,,, right at the end...

Sincerely Yours,

But that's not cap, so some of the top of the list players are higher than they would be.
Price's salary is 13m but cap hit is only 10.5
Similarly, willie would be higher on the salary list at 7.4m but his cap his is only 6.9.

So marner still has the 7th highest cap hit.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/rankings/2022/cap-hit/
- Fakepartofme

Your argument is fine but still doesn’t prove me wrong

5th best scorer deserves to be top 7 in payment