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Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Oct 7 @ 10:37 AM ET
They forgot to check the Lightning last year for sure...
- bixll


This narrative really won't die...

The lightning followed all of the rules. Kucherov was hurt. He went on LTIR. They used his cap space. This is all the way LTIR is supposed to work.

The only way they can be accused of "cheating" is that they kept Kucherov on LTIR until the end of the season - when he probably could have been activated sooner (which you have to activate as soon as a player is healthy)

But there was no way for them to be cap compliant after the TDL. None. So they couldn't follow the rules, even if they wanted to.

This is a failure on the league 100% for not having mechanisms in place to be cap compliant when an injured player returns sooner than expected. (Or including cap limitations in the playoffs during the last CBA negotiations)
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:38 AM ET
If he hit him with a skate, he would still be in jail.
- bixll


Chris Simon awaits parole hearing
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:40 AM ET
Chris Simon awaits parole hearing
- Canada Cup


Dater’s Daily: Chris Simon living his best life, and “MacKinnon” wins another horse race. I don't think he is in jail...
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:42 AM ET
Jimmy will not be at school today - yours truly Jimmy's mother
Ben Johnson did not take Steroids - yours truly Dr. Astaphan

- winsix


Not when it comes to the orthopaedic surgeons who look after these guys. They get the best.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 1st rd exit is the new normal, ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Oct 7 @ 10:42 AM ET
This narrative really won't die...

The lightning followed all of the rules. Kucherov was hurt. He went on LTIR. They used his cap space. This is all the way LTIR is supposed to work.

The only way they can be accused of "cheating" is that they kept Kucherov on LTIR until the end of the season - when he probably could have been activated sooner (which you have to activate as soon as a player is healthy)

But there was no way for them to be cap compliant after the TDL. None. So they couldn't follow the rules, even if they wanted to.

This is a failure on the league 100% for not having mechanisms in place to be cap compliant when an injured player returns sooner than expected. (Or including cap limitations in the playoffs during the last regular season)

- Leafs43


Tampa should have put someone else on LTIR with a fake injury or maybe put Vasilievskiy on waivers
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:45 AM ET
Dater’s Daily: Chris Simon living his best life, and “MacKinnon” wins another horse race. I don't think he is in jail...
- bixll


That was the (bad) joke
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:46 AM ET
Tampa should have put someone else on LTIR with a fake injury or maybe put Vasilievskiy on waivers

- PatC80


Who had the fake injury?
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:48 AM ET
Oh poop.

Price enters the player assistance program. Out indefinetely.

Rip 2021-2022 season.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:49 AM ET
Oh poop.

Price enters the player assistance program. Out indefinetely.

Rip 2021-2022 season.

- Scabeh



That's terrible...
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Oct 7 @ 10:55 AM ET
Oh poop.

Price enters the player assistance program. Out indefinetely.

Rip 2021-2022 season.

- Scabeh


Someone sent this to me - crazy and concerning. I hope he is ok, I am not a Habs fan but how can you not be a Carey Price fan if your Canadian and/or a goalie?

NEW YORK/TORONTO (Oct. 7, 2021) – The National Hockey League (NHL) and the National Hockey League Players’ Association (NHLPA) announced today that goalie Carey Price of the Montreal Canadiens will be away from the team while voluntarily taking part in the NHL/NHLPA player assistance program.
There will be no further comment.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:55 AM ET
Oh poop.

Price enters the player assistance program. Out indefinetely.

Rip 2021-2022 season.

- Scabeh


Sucks for him. Habs season rates somewhat lower on my give a (frank) scale
bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Oct 7 @ 10:58 AM ET
Oh poop.

Price enters the player assistance program. Out indefinetely.

Rip 2021-2022 season.

- Scabeh

That’s to bad, hopefully he gets the help he needs.

Is there usually a minimum absence with this? I feel like its a minimum 30 days type thing.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 1st rd exit is the new normal, ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Oct 7 @ 10:59 AM ET
Oh poop.

Price enters the player assistance program. Out indefinetely.

Rip 2021-2022 season.

- Scabeh


I saw that, but no details were released.. I hope he's ok
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 11:00 AM ET
That’s to bad, hopefully he gets the help he needs.

Is there usually a minimum absence with this? I feel like its a minimum 30 days type thing.

- bryant


No idea, press conference at 11h15, we'll know more then.

I hope the guy is ok. Such a great goalie and human being.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 1st rd exit is the new normal, ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Oct 7 @ 11:05 AM ET
No idea, press conference at 11h15, we'll know more then.

I hope the guy is ok. Such a great goalie and human being.

- Scabeh


yeah, definitely.. I think a lot of non-Habs fans are Carey Price fans..

I do hope he gets the help he needs
winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Oct 7 @ 11:06 AM ET
Not when it comes to the fake bullpoop bribed and fully funded by Tampa orthopaedic surgeons who look after these guys. They get the best that money can buy.
- Canada Cup


FIXED
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Oct 7 @ 11:15 AM ET
Habs found a way to circumvent the cap, he’ll be fresh and ready for day 1 of the playoffs along with Eichel?

Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Oct 7 @ 11:17 AM ET
Habs found a way to circumvent the cap, he’ll be fresh and ready for day 1 of the playoffs along with Eichel?


- Garnie


Except I'm pretty sure his cap hit still counts.

Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Oct 7 @ 11:18 AM ET
Except I'm pretty sure his cap hit still counts.
- Leafs43


Can’t see it
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 11:19 AM ET
Habs found a way to circumvent the cap, he’ll be fresh and ready for day 1 of the playoffs along with Eichel?


- Garnie


Stay classy.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Oct 7 @ 11:25 AM ET
This narrative really won't die...

The lightning followed all of the rules. Kucherov was hurt. He went on LTIR. They used his cap space. This is all the way LTIR is supposed to work.

The only way they can be accused of "cheating" is that they kept Kucherov on LTIR until the end of the season - when he probably could have been activated sooner (which you have to activate as soon as a player is healthy)

But there was no way for them to be cap compliant after the TDL. None. So they couldn't follow the rules, even if they wanted to.

This is a failure on the league 100% for not having mechanisms in place to be cap compliant when an injured player returns sooner than expected. (Or including cap limitations in the playoffs during the last CBA negotiations)

- Leafs43



This is all the way LTIR is supposed to work.


Yes and no.

You're right, but the intention of LTIR is that you can replace an injured player with an equivalent salary for the duration of the injury. Scabs is actually correct - when Kucherov was healthy enough to return from LTIR, it is actually expected that Tampa would waive the players creating the cap problems. Obviously they can't trade them - and if no one claims the players, they're f'd. It's not like the doctor's don't know a player's progress around the TDL to have an idea.

They used the rules to circumvent the cap and they were guilty of extending Kucherov beyond the time he was ready for their own use. It's not like it hasn't been done before - but it is circumvention.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Oct 7 @ 11:25 AM ET
Stay classy.
- Scabeh


I’m as classy as it gets in here.

I do hope he’s ok, but a lot of strange stuff going on with him.

Left available for the expansion draft, to a knee injury and now mental health issues. I think he’s a great guy and mean no harm.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Oct 7 @ 11:25 AM ET
Stay classy.
- Scabeh


I’m as classy as it gets in here.

I do hope he’s ok, but a lot of strange stuff going on with him.

Left available for the expansion draft, to a knee injury and now mental health issues. I think he’s a great guy and mean no harm.
winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Oct 7 @ 11:28 AM ET
This narrative really won't die...

The lightning followed all of the rules. Kucherov was hurt. He went on LTIR. They used his cap space. This is all the way LTIR is supposed to work.

The only way they can be accused of "cheating" is that they kept Kucherov on LTIR until the end of the season - when he probably could have been activated sooner (which you have to activate as soon as a player is healthy)

But there was no way for them to be cap compliant after the TDL. None. So they couldn't follow the rules, even if they wanted to.

This is a failure on the league 100% for not having mechanisms in place to be cap compliant when an injured player returns sooner than expected. (Or including cap limitations in the playoffs during the last CBA negotiations)

- Leafs43


No the narrative won't die and it is much more complicated than just saying that Tampa was compliant. The league made a decision to look the other way despite overwhelming evidence that Kucherov was ready to play well before the playoffs began. The hard cap is the real culprit and issue. It was brought in for several reasons, fiscal responsibility and having a level playing field for teams being the major reason. The biggest problem is that this has led to teams attempting and some succeeding at cheating the cap. Teams like Chicago, Tampa, the Leafs and Detroit have all cheated and got away with it. There are many ways not in the open yet that can and may be exploited down the road. For example let us suppose that McDavid is a UFA. A cash rich team like the Rangers offers him a contract for $9.5 M X 7 to play. At the same time offers to pay his dad, his mom and his girlfriend $6M each for 7 years to be food and beverage tasters for the organization. It is cheating and the league may chose to not ignore it. Until the NHL gets rid of the hard cap cheating will continue.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Oct 7 @ 11:29 AM ET
I’m as classy as it gets in here.

I do hope he’s ok, but a lot of strange stuff going on with him.

Left available for the expansion draft, to a knee injury and now mental health issues. I think he’s a great guy and mean no harm.

- Garnie

We all know this is just another ploy by BIG MA FLEURY and their attempts to make him a HOFer.
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