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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 9:18 AM ET
I wonder how long he / Tanooki / Horesy Sauce will be off on vacation ?
- bixll


Considering the events that occurred, I'm guessing a long time.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 9:20 AM ET
No - getting Engvall through waivers is the solution, he would be called back up and put on the roster.

Getting him through waivers at the beginning of the year means he is waiver exempt the rest of the year. He can be sent up and down as needed - that's where the flexibility comes in.

As we are right now (if we run with 6 D and 13F) a short term injury on defense would mean a forward needs to go down in order to have the cap space to bring up a defenseman. If Engvall has already gone through waivers - he could be that forward.

- Leafs43


I'm sure some teams would be interesting in grabbing Engvall if goes through waivers.

If I'm the Habs, I'm considering it for sure since Poehling as been very "meh" in camp.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Oct 7 @ 9:20 AM ET
Just wake up and you’re already trying to make me cry.
- Garnie


I'm actually trying to keep Engvall.

The likelyhood of a short term injury on D is pretty high in my opinion. Eventually, a forward likely has to go on waivers.

Maybe Simmonds could go on waivers and threaten retirement if someone claims him like Spezza did.

I think that forward would probably be Engvall. I think sneaking him through now is the best way to keep him. But he could also be claimed.

Tough choice.

Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Oct 7 @ 9:22 AM ET
I'm sure some teams would be interesting in grabbing Engvall if goes through waivers.

If I'm the Habs, I'm considering it for sure since Poehling as been very "meh" in camp.

- Scabeh


I thought maybe his cap hit would deter teams. He could be replaced by similar players for less.

He could be claimed. No idea. I just think we will probably need to put someone from this roster on waivers. Might as well do it now and get it over with.

PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 1st rd exit is the new normal, ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Oct 7 @ 9:23 AM ET
Very easy to say, what do you suggest ?
- bixll



trades, maybe? I would try to get something even a late round pick instead of losing a player to waivers
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Oct 7 @ 9:24 AM ET
I'm sure some teams would be interesting in grabbing Engvall if goes through waivers.

If I'm the Habs, I'm considering it for sure since Poehling as been very "meh" in camp.

- Scabeh

Don't think you guys can afford him

If he was on waivers I would assume Buggalo or Arizona would be the destinations.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 7 @ 9:24 AM ET
Considering the events that occurred, I'm guessing a long time.

- Scabeh


Watch your step
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Oct 7 @ 9:24 AM ET
I've suggested it multiple times.

Try to sneak Engvall through waivers now.

If he is claimed - cap issues are reduced. If not, he is now waiver exempt for the rest of the year and we have some flexibility.

- Leafs43



He's only waiver exempt for 30 days.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 9:25 AM ET
I thought maybe his cap hit would deter teams. He could be replaced by similar players for less.

He could be claimed. No idea. I just think we will probably need to put someone from this roster on waivers. Might as well do it now and get it over with.

- Leafs43


I think (and I could be oh so wrong about this) teams usually try and wait until the very last second to put their interesting players through waivers.

That way there's a chance teams that could have picked him up decided to grab someone else before or have already set their roster and decide not to mess with it right before the season.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 1st rd exit is the new normal, ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Oct 7 @ 9:25 AM ET
I'm actually trying to keep Engvall.

The likelyhood of a short term injury on D is pretty high in my opinion. Eventually, a forward likely has to go on waivers.

Maybe Simmonds could go on waivers and threaten retirement if someone claims him like Spezza did.

I think that forward would probably be Engvall. I think sneaking him through now is the best way to keep him. But he could also be claimed.

Tough choice.

- Leafs43


Simmonds on waivers, might be a better option than Engvall. Engvall can PK and play C/W.. Simmonds may not get much PP time with Nick Ritchie here now..

Engvall is far more versatile than Simmonds
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 9:26 AM ET
Don't think you guys can afford him

If he was on waivers I would assume Buggalo or Arizona would be the destinations.

- AdamFrench


It would be tight but it would work, I think.

But yeah, plenty of other suitors out there.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rented to Bruce Banner ;)
Joined: 08.30.2006

Oct 7 @ 9:27 AM ET
I've suggested it multiple times.

Try to sneak Engvall through waivers now.

If he is claimed - cap issues are reduced. If not, he is now waiver exempt for the rest of the year and we have some flexibility.

- Leafs43



I believe this is untrue. I think it like 30 days or after 10 games played, he would need to go through waiver again.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 9:27 AM ET
Simmonds on waivers, might be a better option than Engvall. Engvall can PK and play C/W.. Simmonds may not get much PP time with Nick Ritchie here now..

Engvall is far more versatile than Simmonds

- PatC80


Simmonds is done. I said it before you signed him when I was scared he'd end up in Montreal and I still think so today.

But he looks very respected in the Leafs room. Keefe seems to love that guy.

According to a 5 episode documentary I watched at least.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 9:28 AM ET
I believe this is untrue. I think it like 30 days or after 10 games played, he would need to go through waiver again.
- dmnted



dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rented to Bruce Banner ;)
Joined: 08.30.2006

Oct 7 @ 9:28 AM ET
I was thinking of just copy/pasting AA's predictions as they are already fact.
- AdamFrench

Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
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Oct 7 @ 9:28 AM ET
It would be tight but it would work, I think.

But yeah, plenty of other suitors out there.

- Scabeh

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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
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Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 9:29 AM ET
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So what's your point?








bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Oct 7 @ 9:30 AM ET
No - getting Engvall through waivers is the solution, he would be called back up and put on the roster.

Getting him through waivers at the beginning of the year means he is waiver exempt the rest of the year. He can be sent up and down as needed - that's where the flexibility comes in.

As we are right now (if we run with 6 D and 13F) a short term injury on defense would mean a forward needs to go down in order to have the cap space to bring up a defenseman. If Engvall has already gone through waivers - he could be that forward.

- Leafs43



Do you not get cap relief with the injured players salary ? When they are placed on the IR...
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Oct 7 @ 9:30 AM ET
He's only waiver exempt for 30 days.
- Monkeypunk


Well this is news to me and has completely changed my outlook.

dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rented to Bruce Banner ;)
Joined: 08.30.2006

Oct 7 @ 9:30 AM ET
So, in your opinion, moving the Giraffe's 1.25 mill deal to the A is the solution for team flexibility ??

Sorry, I don't see it.

- bixll

The Leafs will still be on the hook for some his cap as well. Granted, it's not much but still.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 1st rd exit is the new normal, ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Oct 7 @ 9:31 AM ET
Simmonds is done. I said it before you signed him when I was scared he'd end up in Montreal and I still think so today.

But he looks very respected in the Leafs room. Keefe seems to love that guy.

According to a 5 episode documentary I watched at least.

- Scabeh


Keefe likes him, because Simmonds is just as intense as he is.. I still love Simmonds and wish he could put up 20 goals again.. I just think Engvall is more valuable to the Leafs
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 9:32 AM ET
Do you not get cap relief with the injured players salary ? When they are placed on the IR...
- bixll


You can get over the cap by the same amount than of the injured player's salary.

But when the player comes back from injury, you need to be back to being cap compliant.

It's not free cap space unless the player is injured all year.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 7 @ 9:33 AM ET
I didn't watch it either.
- bixll


nor I
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Oct 7 @ 9:33 AM ET
I thought maybe his cap hit would deter teams. He could be replaced by similar players for less.

He could be claimed. No idea. I just think we will probably need to put someone from this roster on waivers. Might as well do it now and get it over with.

- Leafs43


Depending on how big ones balls are, they could try to get Mikheyev through. Not sure anyone is taking him at 1.6.

The no term after this year could be the poop kicker for both him and Engvall however.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 7 @ 9:34 AM ET
Simmonds is done. I said it before you signed him when I was scared he'd end up in Montreal and I still think so today.

But he looks very respected in the Leafs room. Keefe seems to love that guy.

According to a 5 episode documentary I watched at least.

- Scabeh


Can he play 4th line minutes and play a certain style for $900K? There are a bunch of guys I like more than him but if he does give them something unique on the team. I’m not sure it’s worth it if he can’t make plays but maybe it’s ok in a limited role.
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