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Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 7 @ 4:12 PM ET
Weather only affects the losing team, not the winning one.
- ImThatGuy


You’re definitely That Guy eh.

How dense can one be.

I never said weather didn’t effect both teams.

What I’m saying is play that divisional round game in a dome and I think the Ravens win.

hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Oct 7 @ 4:16 PM ET
NHL_Watcher
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Biron on TSN1050 talking why an Eichel trade is difficult to make: "If the Sabres were to trade Jack Eichel, they would need to get 8M-8.5M in return to be able to get above the cap floor, who is going to give up players that make up $8.5M so that the Sabres are cap compliant?"

- GilPerreault11


They can sign me for 8.5 Mil... it could happen......
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 7 @ 4:18 PM ET
You’re definitely That Guy eh.

How dense can one be.

I never said weather didn’t effect both teams.

What I’m saying is play that divisional round game in a dome and I think the Ravens win.

- Pegullaville

Peytons losses in playoffs when a colt
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Hardly bad weather
Carubba-Kaleta
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.27.2013

Oct 7 @ 4:19 PM ET
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Biron on TSN1050 talking why an Eichel trade is difficult to make: "If the Sabres were to trade Jack Eichel, they would need to get 8M-8.5M in return to be able to get above the cap floor, who is going to give up players that make up $8.5M so that the Sabres are cap compliant?"

- GilPerreault11

1. I'm pretty sure he's going on ltir if he's not traded, so that money will not be used regardless.
2. It's much easier to find a way to the cap floor than it is to get under the ceiling.
3. Some of you here have the patience of a Saint to talk about this guy everyday without puking.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 7 @ 4:19 PM ET
Weather only affects the losing team, not the winning one.
- ImThatGuy

Peyton must have had some bad weather in that dome in January
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 7 @ 4:22 PM ET
I don’t remember Denver playing in a Dome.
- Pegullaville

2 of his 3 playoff losses as bronco was in a dome and super bowl

Other at home


Did you look up their losses before this claim?
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Oct 7 @ 4:22 PM ET
1. I'm pretty sure he's going on ltir if he's not traded, so that money will not be used regardless.
2. It's much easier to find a way to the cap floor than it is to get under the ceiling.
3. Some of you here have the patience of a Saint to talk about this guy everyday without puking.

- Carubba-Kaleta


Why would the Sabres put him on LTIR when they are barely above the cap floor?
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Oct 7 @ 4:22 PM ET
I don’t remember Denver playing in a Dome.
- Pegullaville

i do remember denver having a real defense though
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 7 @ 4:23 PM ET
i do remember denver having a real defense though
- SabresFaninIndiana


The Bills do too.

Which is all the more better that they play outdoors with 70 + thousand screaming
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Oct 7 @ 4:24 PM ET
Peytons losses in playoffs when a colt
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At. miami
At jets
At new england
At new england
Home
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At chargers
Super bowl
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Hardly bad weather

- homiedclown

peyton's troubles in Indy were a crappy defense though, im not sure weather was the problem, although he did always play worse when not at home in the dome. that place would get loud as hell in the playoffs
IndianaSabresFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Matt FRICKIN ELLIS, IN
Joined: 01.17.2007

Oct 7 @ 4:29 PM ET
peyton's troubles in Indy were a crappy defense though, im not sure weather was the problem, although he did always play worse when not at home in the dome. that place would get loud as hell in the playoffs
- SabresFaninIndiana

Shut up you chode
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Oct 7 @ 4:34 PM ET
Why would the Sabres put him on LTIR when they are barely above the cap floor?
- kingcong39


After all the cap floor research a few days ago, seems it would count towards the floor. It still makes 0 sense to use LTIR. There's no benefit and it actually hurts them (in ways that won't be relevant this year).
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 7 @ 4:36 PM ET
Shut up you chode
- IndianaSabresFan

Giggle giggle
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Oct 7 @ 4:42 PM ET
After all the cap floor research a few days ago, seems it would count towards the floor. It still makes 0 sense to use LTIR. There's no benefit and it actually hurts them (in ways that won't be relevant this year).
- Lunaion


The bold is why I asked what reason the Sabres would have for doing it.
atlsabsfan
Location: IN
Joined: 06.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 4:51 PM ET
The bold is why I asked what reason the Sabres would have for doing it.
- kingcong39


It doesnt hurt them. The salary cap rules are team friendly, meaning if you need it to count to get to the floor, then it counts. If you need it to NOT count because you are over the cap if it does, then it doesnt count. The Blog had a good explanation.

AND

Mannings arm was toast by the time he was in Denver. The D won those Super Bowls and Manning game planned his way to not lose them. The one he won in Indy is all his. Still one of the smartest minds when it comes to football - if you havent seen him and Eli on Monday night football on ESPN II, its a MasterClass in football.
QuinnFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Formerly Visionville, Now Purgatory
Joined: 07.29.2021

Oct 7 @ 4:52 PM ET
They can sign me for 8.5 Mil... it could happen......

- hehateme


What I don't get is why this is a (frank)ing problem. Phoenix didn't seem to have an issue acquiring a dozen picks in the next couple drafts by taking on cap. Why should we have to sit at the gd floor when we have an owner that poops golden eggs?

I call foul!
QuinnFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Formerly Visionville, Now Purgatory
Joined: 07.29.2021

Oct 7 @ 4:53 PM ET
Mannings arm was toast by the time he was in Denver. The D won those Super Bowls and Manning game planned his way to not lose them. The one he won in Indy is all his. Still one of the smartest minds when it comes to football - if you havent seen him and Eli on Monday night football on ESPN II, its a MasterClass in football.
- atlsabsfan


Better than Romo?
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 7 @ 4:55 PM ET
2 of his 3 playoff losses as bronco was in a dome and super bowl

Other at home


Did you look up their losses before this claim?

- homiedclown


No, but I have heard countless numbers of former NFL players, coaches, and members of the media refer to the stigma of dome teams vs out door teams and the difference in mentality/physicality.

But here, since you wanted proof.

“Before Round 1 in January ’14, I thanked Chase Stuart for the following stat: “Dome teams are 3-22 in the playoffs when they’re outdoors and it’s 35 degrees or colder.” The next day, New Orleans won in Philly in 25-degree weather. Whoops. The following year, the Cowboys lost in 24-degree Lambeau weather to make it 4-23 overall. Tuck this stat away in case the Falcons or Saints travel to Philly next weekend.”

That article was from 2018.

In the 2018 playoffs:

Philly beat Atlanta 15-10, 32 degrees. Divisonal round. The irony considering the article above.

Philly then beat Minnesota 38-7 in the NFC Chamiponship game, 42 degrees though so for the essence of the trial we don’t count this

Let’s jump to 2019:

Chiefs beat colts 31-13, 32 degrees, divisional round.

2020:

Chiefs beat Texans 51-31, 29 degrees. Divisional round.

2021:

Bills beat Colts 24-21, 34 degrees, wild card.

Rams beat Seahawks 30-20, 39 degrees. Doesn’t count for the study above but it is noted.

Packers beat Rams 32-18, 35 degrees, divisional round.

So by my math. That gives Dome teams a current day record of 4-28 on the road in out door cities playing at 35 degrees or lower.

Even if I give you the Rams beating the Seahawks, and I’ll even toss you the Bucs beating the Packers in the NFC Chamiponship game since Florida climate is hot even though they play outdoors. It’s still a 6-28 record.

Happy ?

lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Oct 7 @ 5:19 PM ET
-Dahlin needs to show more urgency in his game, especially in the defensive zone. He often looks too lackadaisical in his own end.

Couldn’t agree more. I believe there are many factors that have contributed to this, Eichels similar attitude is one of the Key contributors IMO
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Oct 7 @ 5:24 PM ET
-Dahlin needs to show more urgency in his game, especially in the defensive zone. He often looks too lackadaisical in his own end.

Couldn’t agree more. I believe there are many factors that have contributed to this, Eichels similar attitude is one of the Key contributors IMO

- lulags


I think it's due to Dahlin's preferred, deliberate pace of play more than anything else.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Oct 7 @ 5:25 PM ET
It doesnt hurt them. The salary cap rules are team friendly, meaning if you need it to count to get to the floor, then it counts. If you need it to NOT count because you are over the cap if it does, then it doesnt count. The Blog had a good explanation.

AND

Mannings arm was toast by the time he was in Denver. The D won those Super Bowls and Manning game planned his way to not lose them. The one he won in Indy is all his. Still one of the smartest minds when it comes to football - if you havent seen him and Eli on Monday night football on ESPN II, its a MasterClass in football.

- atlsabsfan


Interesting reading.

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Oct 7 @ 5:27 PM ET
It doesnt hurt them. The salary cap rules are team friendly, meaning if you need it to count to get to the floor, then it counts. If you need it to NOT count because you are over the cap if it does, then it doesnt count. The Blog had a good explanation.

AND

Mannings arm was toast by the time he was in Denver. The D won those Super Bowls and Manning game planned his way to not lose them. The one he won in Indy is all his. Still one of the smartest minds when it comes to football - if you havent seen him and Eli on Monday night football on ESPN II, its a MasterClass in football.

- atlsabsfan


That's the most common misconception of LTIR.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 7 @ 5:37 PM ET
No, but I have heard countless numbers of former NFL players, coaches, and members of the media refer to the stigma of dome teams vs out door teams and the difference in mentality/physicality.

But here, since you wanted proof.

“Before Round 1 in January ’14, I thanked Chase Stuart for the following stat: “Dome teams are 3-22 in the playoffs when they’re outdoors and it’s 35 degrees or colder.” The next day, New Orleans won in Philly in 25-degree weather. Whoops. The following year, the Cowboys lost in 24-degree Lambeau weather to make it 4-23 overall. Tuck this stat away in case the Falcons or Saints travel to Philly next weekend.”

That article was from 2018.

In the 2018 playoffs:

Philly beat Atlanta 15-10, 32 degrees. Divisonal round. The irony considering the article above.

Philly then beat Minnesota 38-7 in the NFC Chamiponship game, 42 degrees though so for the essence of the trial we don’t count this

Let’s jump to 2019:

Chiefs beat colts 31-13, 32 degrees, divisional round.

2020:

Chiefs beat Texans 51-31, 29 degrees. Divisional round.

2021:

Bills beat Colts 24-21, 34 degrees, wild card.

Rams beat Seahawks 30-20, 39 degrees. Doesn’t count for the study above but it is noted.

Packers beat Rams 32-18, 35 degrees, divisional round.

So by my math. That gives Dome teams a current day record of 4-28 on the road in out door cities playing at 35 degrees or lower.

Even if I give you the Rams beating the Seahawks, and I’ll even toss you the Bucs beating the Packers in the NFC Chamiponship game since Florida climate is hot even though they play outdoors. It’s still a 6-28 record.

Happy ?

- Pegullaville

so your comparing these temps to the -51 below zero game I quoted


got it

again last game where weather messed a team was when the chargers had to go to cincy in 1982 where it was -51 below zero with wind chill


you did nothing to prove me wrong here


the difference between -51 and 25 degrees is the same as the difference between 25 degrees and the vegas strip in august

Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 7 @ 5:42 PM ET
so your comparing these temps to the -51 below zero game I quoted


got it

again last game where weather messed a team was when the chargers had to go to cincy in 1982 where it was -51 below zero with wind chill


you did nothing to prove me wrong here


the difference between -51 and 25 degrees is the same as the difference between 25 degrees and the vegas strip in august

- homiedclown


Because your argument is fundamentally flawed.

You chose an outlier game.

I gave you a 32 game sample size that showed dome teams losing outdoors.

It does not have to be -51 to effect a game.

Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Oct 7 @ 5:42 PM ET
2 of his 3 playoff losses as bronco was in a dome and super bowl

Other at home


Did you look up their losses before this claim?

- homiedclown


The other was Joe Flacco decided he could actually play QB for like 5 games.
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