That's all true. No MSM media reports it.

There's been more deaths and adverse events related to these vaccines in 8 months than all other vaccines combined for the last 20 years.

Veritas has J&J employees on video joking about how people should probably avoid the J&J jab. Especially kids because (paraphrasing) they don't know what the long term side effects will be.
- madmike71

How about all the people dying because non covid medical care was non existent for a year?

I agree with that - but rest assured this kind of politics impact nearly all "Western countries".

Hockeywise: Who will play DETs PP1 besides Larkin&Hronek?

I agree with that - but rest assured this kind of politics impact nearly all "Western countries".

Hockeywise: Who will play DETs PP1 besides Larkin&Hronek?
- VeryModernMan

Hronek probably loses PP1 QB duties to Leddy and the PP will suck so it won't matter.

How about all the people dying because non covid medical care was non existent for a year?
- Feds91Stammer

You are seriously one of the biggest morons on here. Go drink your kool-aid and Stick to hockey. Anyone who listens to anything you say simply because you know hockey is equally as dumb.

One time the guy who played Mr. Belvedere sat on his own balls on set and they had to stop filming for a couple of weeks.

You are seriously one of the biggest morons on here. Go drink your kool-aid and Stick to hockey. Anyone who listens to anything you say simply because you know hockey is equally as dumb.
- Rinosaur

See my location...

Ok, Hasan Piker.
- Feds91Stammer

Ok, so we can't trust the experts because the profit motive influences vaccine science... If only there were an economic system that produced legit scientific breakthroughs (like space travel) without a strong profit motive.

Also, Based Hasan Piker!!

Go to the Leafs thread and tell Joel he's a female dog.

im probably banned for life after tonight.

You are seriously one of the biggest morons on here. Go drink your kool-aid and Stick to hockey. Anyone who listens to anything you say simply because you know hockey is equally as dumb.
- Rinosaur

I dunno, when J&J scientists are saying not to take the vaccine, kinda makes that poop a little questionable.

I dunno, when J&J scientists are saying not to take the vaccine, kinda makes that poop a little questionable.
- j.boyd919

Damn bro just trust the science

That's all true. No MSM media reports it.

There's been more deaths and adverse events related to these vaccines in 8 months than all other vaccines combined for the last 20 years.

Veritas has J&J employees on video joking about how people should probably avoid the J&J jab. Especially kids because (paraphrasing) they don't know what the long term side effects will be.
- madmike71

So when people say "There's been more deaths and adverse events related to these vaccines in 8 months than all other vaccines combined for the last 20 years. " its referring to data coming from your (USA's) VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System). I have downloaded this a few times to look over, its a massive Excel spreadsheet, about 400MB's in size, which is huge for and excel file. Anyways, that VAERS is utterly dominated with mild adverse events, things expected from any vaccine ie sore arm, fatigue, low grade fever. Then there's a F load of reports that have been verified invalid. Its also extremely important people realize that anyone can submit to VAERS at all, not just health care professionals...then we have to think about metrics and averages. If hundreds of millions of people have taken something what are the chances events may of happened without vaccine? like an 85/90 year old having a stroke or heart attack? In the USA theres on average of 2 cardiac events every minute. This average from long before covid.

The amusing thing to me is some of the extremely low risk events form the vaccine like myocarditis and blood clots are far more prevalent in people who actually contract Covid than in people who get vaxxed, but anti vaxxers cling to this stuff.

Having said all of this I do understand how people get to a point of no wanting it. So many agendas out there including the pharmaceutical companies. I just think a lot of people have been misled about their safety. In my city and surrounding areas, around 240k people, where I live basically 9 out of every 10 people I'm around are vaxxed. I play hockey 3 or 4 times a week, every week, with a combination of about 80 different guys. We all had ours vaxxes and played hockey same day or within 24 tp 48 hours of receiving shots. I dont know if thats all anecdotal or not. We're all doing great though.

See my location...
- Feds91Stammer

Yup and you're also a moron if you actually think the US was more proactive than China.

I dunno, when J&J scientists are saying not to take the vaccine, kinda makes that poop a little questionable.
- j.boyd919

I'd really like to see your source for this. Because there's nothing but misinformation flying around. People have made claims that certain doctors and scientists involved with the vaccine say not to take it and each one has been debunked, and it's usually frauds claiming to be something they're not.

There was one "doctor" who was going around to colleges, stating he's reputable, published, etc... Claiming he knows the guy who created the vaccine and that the creator advised not to take it and it turned out to all be fraudulent.

Yup and you're also a moron if you actually think the US was more proactive than China.
- Rinosaur

I see you still can’t comprehend how stupid it is to call the country responsible for this little flu proactive for allowing it to spread across the entire world.

Yup and you're also a moron if you actually think the US was more proactive than China.
- Rinosaur

I was reading an interview with one of the head researchers at the University of Waterloo up here that said China's numbers dropped really fast because they changed the covid case definitions. Basically changed what symptoms constituted covid at all.

Yup and you're also a moron if you actually think the US was more proactive than China.
- Rinosaur

I see you still can’t comprehend how stupid it is to call the country responsible for this little flu proactive for allowing it to spread across the entire world.

So when people say "There's been more deaths and adverse events related to these vaccines in 8 months than all other vaccines combined for the last 20 years. " its referring to data coming from your (USA's) VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System). I have downloaded this a few times to look over, its a massive Excel spreadsheet, about 400MB's in size, which is huge for and excel file. Anyways, that VAERS is utterly dominated with mild adverse events, things expected from any vaccine ie sore arm, fatigue, low grade fever. Then there's a F load of reports that have been verified invalid. Its also extremely important people realize that anyone can submit to VAERS at all, not just health care professionals...then we have to think about metrics and averages. If hundreds of millions of people have taken something what are the chances events may of happened without vaccine? like an 85/90 year old having a stroke or heart attack? In the USA theres on average of 2 cardiac events every minute. This average from long before covid.

The amusing thing to me is some of the extremely low risk events form the vaccine like myocarditis and blood clots are far more prevalent in people who actually contract Covid than in people who get vaxxed, but anti vaxxers cling to this stuff.

Having said all of this I do understand how people get to a point of no wanting it. So many agendas out there including the pharmaceutical companies. I just think a lot of people have been misled about their safety. In my city and surrounding areas, around 240k people, where I live basically 9 out of every 10 people I'm around are vaxxed. I play hockey 3 or 4 times a week, every week, with a combination of about 80 different guys. We all had ours vaxxes and played hockey same day or within 24 tp 48 hours of receiving shots. I dont know if thats all anecdotal or not. We're all doing great though.
- MattStrat

Stop calling people that don’t want to consume an unnecessary experimental pharmaceutical product anti vaxxers.

I see you still can’t comprehend how stupid it is to call the country responsible for this little flu proactive for allowing it to spread across the entire world.
- Feds91Stammer

The fact you can't comprehend how a country responds with precautions is no longer surprising to me. Regardless of where it came from, their response was far more proactive than our country. Most of Europe was far more proactive than we were.

Stop calling people that don’t want to consume an unnecessary experimental pharmaceutical product anti vaxxers.
- Feds91Stammer

Well I mean in the 3 stage clinical trials of Phizer with over 40k enrolled the placebo group had pretty much just as many adverse reactions as the group that got the vax, which wasnt many at all...but then you have to trust a pharmaceutical company of which have given plenty of reasons not to over the years, all of the pharmaceutical. I get it.

I will stop calling you that though because I really do understand, with all the conflicting info going around and fear mongering on BOTH sides, how people get against it.

Well I mean in the 3 stage clinical trials of Phizer with over 40k enrolled the placebo group had pretty much just as many adverse reactions as the group that got the vax, which wasnt many at all...but then you have to trust a pharmaceutical company of which have given plenty of reasons not to over the years, all of the pharmaceutical. I get it.

I will stop calling you that though because I really do understand, with all the conflicting info going around and fear mongering on BOTH sides, how people get against it.
- MattStrat

This is the real issue though. There is no conflicting info. Any conflicting info is misinformation being spread throughout the internet by non-experts or doctors/scientists with political ties.

Well I mean in the 3 stage clinical trials of Phizer with over 40k enrolled the placebo group had pretty much just as many adverse reactions as the group that got the vax, which wasnt many at all...but then you have to trust a pharmaceutical company of which have given plenty of reasons not to over the years, all of the pharmaceutical. I get it.

I will stop calling you that though because I really do understand, with all the conflicting info going around and fear mongering on BOTH sides, how people get against it.
- MattStrat

I figured you could understand both sides unlike certain pro CCP people here.

This is the real issue though. There is no conflicting info. Any conflicting info is misinformation being spread throughout the internet.
- Rinosaur

I tend to lean that way but Im not totally onboard with kids getting it, which if that J & J scientist (could of been a warehouse worker) stuff is true kind of goes along with. I mean, where was the massive study for kids with it?

I should say I dont care if someone vaxxes or not....Im having unvaxxed friends over for Thanksgiving dinner this weekend sure hahah.

The fact you can't comprehend how a country responds with precautions is no longer surprising to me. Regardless of where it came from, their response was far more proactive than our country. Most of Europe was far more proactive than we were.
- Rinosaur

If they were so proactive maybe they wouldn’t have killed whistleblowers. Lmao.

I tend to lean that way but Im not totally onboard with kids getting it, which if that J & J scientist (could of been a warehouse worker) stuff is true kind of goes along with. I mean, where was the massive study for kids with it?

I should say I dont care if someone vaxxes or not....Im having unvaxxed friends over for Thanksgiving dinner this weekend sure hahah.
- MattStrat

I’m telling Trudeau

I tend to lean that way but Im not totally onboard with kids getting it, which if that J & J scientist (could of been a warehouse worker) stuff is true kind of goes along with. I mean, where was the massive study for kids with it?

I should say I dont care if someone vaxxes or not....Im having unvaxxed friends over for Thanksgiving dinner this weekend sure hahah.
- MattStrat

Oh, I no longer care. I want Biden to stop making the effort to convince people. Darwinism is running full steam ahead and I don't want it to stop.