Depends on the type steroids. They're not all the same. While technically not a pain killer, corticosteroids do act as an anti-inflammatory treatment, and shouldn't be considered a PED. But that's not the point.
- Bendecko

What is the point?

That was Bonnie Lindros' version. We'll just say other versions vary widely.
- bmeltzer

Bill read the article that MJL provided...didnt see Bonnie's name mentioned. You are not being objective at all. It's pretty clear what occurred story didnt come from Bonnie

All I know is the Flyers look like they could possibly ice a competitive team this year and all of a sudden there is off-ice drama popping up that will no question linger around the team ALL year....what a surprise.

At least the fans have 2 games to really look forward to this year, especially if the current players on the Flyers DON'T have the same experiences Lehner does and the Flyers don't have to worry about Reeves.

Let the fun begin.

Update: Calling it now....Patrick and Laughton throw down.

December 10, 2021 @Vegas
March 8, 2022 @Philly
- Glak18

like any flyers is going to do something to lehner. Maybe captain clode can hit him with his purse.

like any flyers is going to do something to lehner. Maybe captain clode can hit him with his purse.
- hello it's me 2050

Maybe Mark Stone and Giroux can swing both their purses at each other....

Statement from Fletcher:
GM Fletcher: The health and well-being of our players is our top priority, and any care provided to them comes from the team’s health care professionals, not the coaching staff. We have no reason to believe any of our players have received improper care.”

Bill read the article that MJL provided...didnt see Bonnie's name mentioned. You are not being objective at all. It's pretty clear what occurred story didnt come from Bonnie
- hfc355

I did 15 hours of interview transcription related to the final two seasons of Eric's time with the Flyers. I was also in Russia with some former teammates, who shared a lot of off-record stuff. I've also since heard things from others. Most of the Flyers players sided with the org. Others could see both sides (and both sides had some valid points).

There's a lot that wasn't used from Jay's interviews because the agreed-upon ground rule going in as relates to Eric Lindros' later years was that if it was public info (ran in the papers), it was OK for the book but no other information could be used. The truth of that story was somewhere in the middle between the Lindros camp's version, the Flyers' version and the versions of teammates who were there. Will leave it at that.

But the "incompetent Flyers staff misdiagnosed and nearly killed Eric" version came from the Lindros camp. Gord Kirke and Bonnie -- neither of whom are quoted in Fitzpatrick's article specifically -- were regular sources as long as it was favorable to Eric.

My own dealings with Eric Lindros and his wife have been fine. They've always been nothing but nice, especially Kina. I have no ax to grind. And back when he played, I was a huge fan.

I did 15 hours of interview transcription related to the final two seasons of Eric's time with the Flyers. I was also in Russia with some former teammates, who shared a lot of off-record stuff. I've also since heard things from others. Most of the Flyers players sided with the org. Others could see both sides (and both sides had some valid points).

There's a lot that wasn't used from Jay's interviews because the agreed-upon ground rule going in as relates to Eric Lindros' later years was that if it was public info (ran in the papers), it was OK for the book but no other information could be used. The truth of that story was somewhere in the middle between the Lindros camp's version, the Flyers' version and the versions of teammates who were there. Will leave it at that.

But the "incompetent Flyers staff misdiagnosed and nearly killed Eric" version came from the Lindros camp. Gord Kirke and Bonnie -- neither of whom are quoted in Fitzpatrick's article specifically -- were regular sources as long as it was favorable to Eric.

My own dealings with Eric Lindros and his wife have been fine. They've always been nothing but nice, especially Kina. I have no ax to grind. And back when he played, I was a huge fan.
- bmeltzer

88 was just the total package. Without hindsight I would take him #1 overall in a cumulative NHL draft.

The league did a poor job with him in terms of how they treated him compared to other superstars. One thing CLarke never did was get him a Probert or Chris Simon to run shotgun on his wing

88 was just the total package. Without hindsight I would take him #1 overall in a cumulative NHL draft.

The league did a poor job with him in terms of how they treated him compared to other superstars. One thing CLarke never did was get him a Probert or Chris Simon to run shotgun on his wing
- hello it's me 2050

Would have liked to have seen Marty McSorley there too.

Not protecting anyone. But I know Clarke (a little) and know people very well who are close to him. Want to call Clarke stubborn? Sure. Opinionated? Definitely. Ruthless? At times. Ultra-competititive? Absolutely. Old-school? He is.

Egotistical? Nope. Not in his MO. It's never about himself. Never has been. Never will be.

Clarke is so "worried about protecting his status as the greatest Flyer" that, if he had it his way, No. 16 would not have been retired (or any another number except for No. 4 for Ashbee). Also as an FYI despite the things he didn't like about Lindros, it was Clarke's support within the HHOF selection committee that built a strong enough coalition to get him elected after he didn't get in his first year of eligibility.

Had Lindros stayed healthier, his family been in the middle of fewer distractions, and won a Cup, Clarke would have been thrilled.
- bmeltzer

I’ve followed the Flyers since 1970 and Clarke was the best player and leader. Leaders don’t care who gets the credit they just DO whatever is needed to have the team win championship! Clarke lead a team to 2 cups! 40 + years and still waiting for the next one.

Bob Clarke is one of the people I would love to have a few beers with and just talk hockey! I can’t imagine how much I would learn about being a leader and would enjoy hearing his perspective about the current hockey vs his playing days.

But the "incompetent Flyers staff misdiagnosed and nearly killed Eric" version came from the Lindros camp. Gord Kirke and Bonnie -- neither of whom are quoted in Fitzpatrick's article specifically -- were regular sources as long as it was favorable to Eric.


- bmeltzer

Even the best of doctors make mistakes. It unfortunately happens. Just from reading that article, it's pretty clear that the Flyers medical staff messed up and it almost killed Lindros. He had a serious and potentially life threating injury that was misdiagnosed. That's pretty much the facts.

I’ve followed the Flyers since 1970 and Clarke was the best player and leader. Leaders don’t care who gets the credit they just DO whatever is needed to have the team win championship! Clarke lead a team to 2 cups! 40 + years and still waiting for the next one.

Bob Clarke is one of the people I would love to have a few beers with and just talk hockey! I can’t imagine how much I would learn about being a leader and would enjoy hearing his perspective about the current hockey vs his playing days.
- Hosher12

Again I’ll recommend listening to the Zak Kindrachuk interview of Clarke in the “My Dad Used To Play Hockey” podcast. The Poulin (another great leader) interview is great too.

Even the best of doctors make mistakes. It unfortunately happens. Just from reading that article, it's pretty clear that the Flyers medical staff messed up and it almost killed Lindros. He had a serious and potentially life threating injury that was misdiagnosed. That's pretty much the facts.
- MJL

I thought Scott Stevens killed him....
Lindros's concussion issues began on the back pond with his brother when they were like 5 is my guess. He had a hidden preexisting condition beyond the "known" concussions as someone staying at a Holiday Inn Express.

Even the best of doctors make mistakes. It unfortunately happens. Just from reading that article, it's pretty clear that the Flyers medical staff messed up and it almost killed Lindros. He had a serious and potentially life threating injury that was misdiagnosed. That's pretty much the facts.
- MJL

It didn’t sound like Lindros was looked at by a doctor until he was taken to emergency room the next morning. As far as I know no one on the training staff was an MD and it didn’t sound like they were aware that Lindros was having trouble breathing until the next day. The Lindros family practically accused Clarke of knowingly trying to kill Eric by putting him on a plane.

I did 15 hours of interview transcription related to the final two seasons of Eric's time with the Flyers. I was also in Russia with some former teammates, who shared a lot of off-record stuff. I've also since heard things from others. Most of the Flyers players sided with the org. Others could see both sides (and both sides had some valid points).

There's a lot that wasn't used from Jay's interviews because the agreed-upon ground rule going in as relates to Eric Lindros' later years was that if it was public info (ran in the papers), it was OK for the book but no other information could be used. The truth of that story was somewhere in the middle between the Lindros camp's version, the Flyers' version and the versions of teammates who were there. Will leave it at that.

But the "incompetent Flyers staff misdiagnosed and nearly killed Eric" version came from the Lindros camp. Gord Kirke and Bonnie -- neither of whom are quoted in Fitzpatrick's article specifically -- were regular sources as long as it was favorable to Eric.

My own dealings with Eric Lindros and his wife have been fine. They've always been nothing but nice, especially Kina. I have no ax to grind. And back when he played, I was a huge fan.
- bmeltzer

Put him on a plane -- its all good

https://www.nbcsports.com...saving-eric-lindross-life

What is the point?
- MJL

Exactly!

Let's not forget that Lindros literally almost died because the Flyers medical staff didn't handle an injury correctly. Keith Jones basically saved his life. There were errors and mistakes made on both sides.
- MJL

Yes, I remember that night well, I think it was after a game in Atlanta. However for some reason it always seemed the medical drama followed Lindros and not any other player. Why was that?

It didn’t sound like Lindros was looked at by a doctor until he was taken to emergency room the next morning. As far as I know no one on the training staff was an MD and it didn’t sound like they were aware that Lindros was having trouble breathing until the next day. The Lindros family practically accused Clarke of knowingly trying to kill Eric by putting him on a plane.
- Dkos

According to the article I posted, the Flyers training staff was in consultation with the Flyers team doctors. I agree with your last statement and that was wrong for the family to do. I understand that they were angry about it and I would be also but Clarke really had nothing to do with that.

I thought Scott Stevens killed him....
Lindros's concussion issues began on the back pond with his brother when they were like 5 is my guess. He had a hidden preexisting condition beyond the "known" concussions as someone staying at a Holiday Inn Express.
- konalover711

speaking of ponds, what kind of lure/bait do you use when you fish?

That was Bonnie Lindros' version. We'll just say other versions vary widely.
- bmeltzer

EXACTLY! Apparently the Flyers medical staff was blatantly negligent when it came to Lindros, the franchise player at the time, but not anyone else on the team ... Hmmmm

The bottom line is Clarke was 100% right, Lindros was a Big Baby that wasn't even man enough to tell his parents to mind their own business and stop meddling in his career!

Exactly!
- Bendecko

My point is that your comment that it doesn't work that way in pro sports is obviously not correct.

EXACTLY! Apparently the Flyers medical staff was blatantly negligent when it came to Lindros, the franchise player at the time, but not anyone else on the team ... Hmmmm

The bottom line is Clarke was 100% right, Lindros was a Big Baby that wasn't even man enough to tell his parents to mind their own business and stop meddling in his career!
- jd250

The Flyers medical staff was negligent when it came to that situation in Nashville. Clarke was not 100% correct. Both sides were at fault through the entire Lindros saga.

Lindros parents were the worst I have ever seen in any sport. Thinking they were doing best for their son they hurt him terribly. I dont blame him much for not telling his Dad to go pound sand tough to do. As far as not wanting to sign with Quebec that happens all the time now. He was upfront with Quebec prior to the draft and Quebec had options but chose to draft him anyway. I never heard a teammate say anything bad about him so calling him a bad teammate I dont agree with. Kid was a beast and both Flyers and Lindros could have done things much better . Yep Clarke was old school which didnt do him or Flyers any good.
- hfc355

Think about this for a moment ... WHO THE F%^& is Lindros to decide to ignore league rules and not be drafted. Quebec earned the number 1 pick in the draft that year, and they had the right to draft the best player available. If Gretzky can play for an expansion team not even in the NHL, and Lemieux can be drafted by Pittsburgh, but ... oh stop everything, the high and mighty Lindros decides who can draft him and who can't???

And go ask some of Lindros' early line mates who bore the Lion's share of the criticism from Bonnie and Clyde what they really think about the drama boy Lindros!

88 was just the total package. Without hindsight I would take him #1 overall in a cumulative NHL draft.

The league did a poor job with him in terms of how they treated him compared to other superstars. One thing CLarke never did was get him a Probert or Chris Simon to run shotgun on his wing
- hello it's me 2050

You have got to be kidding me ... Yup ... let's handle the Big Baby with Kid, oops, I mean Baby gloves!!!

The Flyers medical staff was negligent when it came to that situation in Nashville. Clarke was not 100% correct. Both sides were at fault through the entire Lindros saga.
- MJL

There is absolutely no conclusive evidence of this from what I have read, or recall from that night. I have no doubt Lindros' roommate got him the help he needed, but what has always been a question in my mind is what if anything do Lindros say to the Flyers medical staff before he went to his room that night? If a player does not complain, how can the medical staff do something, ESP?

You have got to be kidding me ... Yup ... let's handle the Big Baby with Kid, oops, I mean Baby gloves!!!
- jd250

omg ong omg..

How did they handle 6'4 220 pound Whineo Lemieux?