Jesus effing Christ you are one jaded MF-er. Can you go on some sort of hiatus ? Or walkabout in the Australian desert for a while ? You need to go find yourself - do some soul-searching.

Can you at least just stick to sports-talk for a while ?
- kritter65

Deep breaths Kritter Deep breaths

Jesus effing Christ you are one jaded MF-er. Can you go on some sort of hiatus ? Or walkabout in the Australian desert for a while ? You need to go find yourself - do some soul-searching.

Can you at least just stick to sports-talk for a while ?
- kritter65

"I agree with you"

Except you don't sign a contract with Worker's Comp for millions upon millions of dollars. And the NHL doesn't pay lobbyists millions upon millions of dollars to lobby states to get favorable laws passed so that they don't have to pay for anything.

The players and management bargained for this CBA, everyone went into it knowing what it said, and they all signed on the dotted line.

That's pretty (frank)ing far from some rando worker whose employer's negligence caused them injury and now has to fight a rigged game.
- Wetbandit1

Like if Jack didn't want to vote for it, it would have mattered.
You think the players even covered this In the summary they laid out. Nope, me either.
It's lame as hell. You know it, we all know it.

I'll forever disagree with the bolded part. HIs end of year interview wasn't some clever ploy to get out of here. He wanted to stay, and our GM made a trade for stupid reasons. I don't believe the bonus-owed crap. I firmly believe Botterill panicked at the fan criticism of what ROR said (words I had no problem with him saying). And that decision cost him his job here.

(no, I will never get over that stupid, pointless trade)
- kritter65

You are on an island of 1.

Like if Jack didn't want to vote for it, it would have mattered.
You think the players even covered this In the summary they laid out. Nope, me either.
It's lame as hell. You know it, we all know it.
- IonSabres

Yes, never read a contract before you sign it, that's common knowledge.

When that much money is at stake you go through it with a fine toothed comb, and then have lawyers do the same.

He also doesn't have to play in the NHL, I'm sure the Russians would give him lots of money, and let him have the surgery of his choice.

Like if Jack didn't want to vote for it, it would have mattered.
You think the players even covered this In the summary they laid out. Nope, me either.
It's lame as hell. You know it, we all know it.
- IonSabres

Is it possible that Eichel would agree to the fusion treatment if he were given that advice by a team that traded for him? The idea that this is merely a wedge issue designed to get him out of town should be entertained

Yes, never read a contract before you sign it, that's common knowledge.

When that much money is at stake you go through it with a fine toothed comb, and then have lawyers do the same.

He also doesn't have to play in the NHL, I'm sure the Russians would give him lots of money, and let him have the surgery of his choice.
- Wetbandit1

They vote, don't really sign it. If he voted no...does it matter?
Nope.

Is it possible that Eichel would agree to the fusion treatment if he were given that advice by a team that traded for him? The idea that this is merely a wedge issue designed to get him out of town should be entertained
- Hank Balling

Why?
Did it work or something that I missed? Is he traded, lol?

Why continue the charade IF the charade to date has failed miserably AND the team wants him out faster than he wants out.
Doesn't make sense, not 1 little cent....IMO of course.

They vote, don't really sign it. If he voted no...does it matter?
Nope.
- IonSabres

He signed his contract with the team.

The players as a whole ratified the CBA.

The fact that it's only an issue because something doesn't go his way is why it's bullpoop.

You sign the deal, you explicitly agree with all the rules and bylaws therein.

He gladly takes his $10M a year, but now he wants to say "well, I don't like this rule".

Too (frank)ing bad, life sucks, get a helmet.

He signed his contract with the team.

The players as a whole ratified the CBA.

The fact that it's only an issue because something doesn't go his way is why it's bullpoop.

You sign the deal, you explicitly agree with all the rules and bylaws therein.

He gladly takes his $10M a year, but now he wants to say "well, I don't like this rule".

Too (frank)ing bad, life sucks, get a helmet.
- Wetbandit1

K

Why?
Did it work or something that I missed? Is he traded, lol?

Why continue the charade IF the charade to date has failed miserably AND the team wants him out faster than he wants out.
Doesn't make sense, not 1 little cent....IMO of course.
- IonSabres

If, if it was the plan, then it certainly didn't work

d!ck post, but funny




- homiedclown

I wish it was funny but it really wasn't but to each their own.

It's a tough situation for all, but I feel for Jack. This isn't a minor surgery with little impact on future health / well being.
It is closer to a decision to go under the old-time scalpel surgery for knee ligaments versus the Arthascoptic procedures of today.

Fushion surgery carries a 5X more likely to require additional Fushions within 10 years ... then again in another 10 years. 3 surgery's in 20 years in which his neck movement becomes further restricted. The data on Replacement surgery is much more promising. Try that on for size by age 45 for all ya'all who read his options as black and white because of a CBA. Imagine you face the same today with Workmans Comp Insurance..no way out. Great!
For these reasons, I'm on the player's side...Jack's side.

For the reasons I identified in a previous post back a couple, Jack's side isn't going to win in arbitration, he knows it, the Sabres know it. I doubt he would win in a legal battle either.

His best option is in The Court of Public Opinion buttressed by the My Body, My Decision argument. IMO, his only real chance is to sit and turn up the heat on the Sabres, the NHL and NHLPA to come to a compromise and amend the CBA in some form or fashion.
That is a low odd options and still doesn't address the issues with Insurance Companies.

It ain't easy and It is a friggin mess
- IonSabres

Well said on everything. I understand what the CBA says and the team's side of this, but "it's his neck" is very compelling.

Well said on everything. I understand what the CBA says and the team's side of this, but "it's his neck" is very compelling.
- Lunaion

Well he pretty much sold that neck for 10mill a year.

Well said on everything. I understand what the CBA says and the team's side of this, but "it's his neck" is very compelling.
- Lunaion

If he was some working stiff that made $35K a year and got hurt on the job and the insurance company wouldn't let him get the course of treatment he and his doctor agreed on, then yeah, hell, I AM that guy, and I'll tell you, it sucks when the insurance company says "no, we don't have to pay for that, so we're not going to whether or not it has a high likelihood of working".

He's a grown ass man making $10M a year to play a kids game, and he's acting like a child, so is the team for that matter, but at least they have a leg to stand on.

If Jack didn't know about the rules, he's got no one to blame but himself. How many guys in the league don't get hurt? None. That should be among the first things you seek out; "what happens when, not if, I get hurt?".

Has Jerry Hughes been doing much? I haven't really been noticing him. I remember in the Miami game he got held once. Maybe what he is doing is freeing others up or something but I wonder if he is worth his 6+ million a year. The Bills drafting Rousseau and Boogie thought they needed help on the line too.

If he was some working stiff that made $35K a year and got hurt on the job and the insurance company wouldn't let him get the course of treatment he and his doctor agreed on, then yeah, hell, I AM that guy, and I'll tell you, it sucks when the insurance company says "no, we don't have to pay for that, so we're not going to whether or not it has a high likelihood of working".

He's a grown ass man making $10M a year to play a kids game, and he's acting like a child, so is the team for that matter, but at least they have a leg to stand on.

If Jack didn't know about the rules, he's got no one to blame but himself. How many guys in the league don't get hurt? None. That should be among the first things you seek out; "what happens when, not if, I get hurt?".
- Wetbandit1

They bargained away rights on this last summer and it doesn't seem like they got anything in return. Not a good look for the NHLPA.

They bargained away rights on this last summer and it doesn't seem like they got anything in return. Not a good look for the NHLPA.
- Lunaion

(frank) unions.

They bargained away rights on this last summer and it doesn't seem like they got anything in return. Not a good look for the NHLPA.
- Lunaion

For me it would be a bigger deal than HRR split, escrow, and the salary cap, all the bullpoop that gets air, and the stuff that really matters gets none.

I hope the players are able to get some more autonomy in the next deal, but the fact remains this is the current deal, and you have to abide by it.

Edit: And there's a process where he can be granted relief, but he's not using it.

Manning
Rodgers
Brady
Brees.

Imo.

Since I was born in 95 I can’t speak too much on the previous century but just looking at numbers Marino and Montana probably give Brady a run too. Elway is probably somewhere up there as well.

We’ll see where the likes of Mahomes, Herbert, Allen fall as their careers progresses.
- Pegullaville

roger and joe are gonna piss in your corn flakes

I wish it was funny but it really wasn't but to each their own.
- Jet Jaguar BD

if you were on the sidelines, you would have laughed

Edit: And there's a process where he can be granted relief, but he's not using it.
- Wetbandit1

this

Jesus effing Christ you are one jaded MF-er. Can you go on some sort of hiatus ? Or walkabout in the Australian desert for a while ? You need to go find yourself - do some soul-searching.

Can you at least just stick to sports-talk for a while ?
- kritter65

You were bragging about how much you like the non-sports related flame wars. Now you don't? Go out to your driveway, sit in your car, blast some Joy Division or whatever other poopty music you like and beat up your dash board until you cheer up freak show. For the record, your triggered replies are hilarious.

Happy fire your nurses night for some political rule that is anti science. What would you expect from the party who thinks their are 100s of genders and babies aren’t humans until they are born
- Alex the Great

I put this into google translate and the language it gave me was "autistic screeching".

I put this into google translate and the language it gave me was "autistic screeching".
- Jet Jaguar BD

ゴジラは人々の叫びに近づいている