Unless he plays DB then I can’t see how that helps.

Their offence is still the 2nd most efficient in the league through 3 weeks just behind the Rams.

Chiefs defence though is the worst in football, and it isn’t close right now.
- Pegullaville

They will need to use the colts Manning era plan. Just try to out score them.

It just seems like a lot of boohooing about Eichel, which Friedman has pretty consistently done on his behalf this offseason.

Eichel has a remedy available to him: arbitration
- Hank Balling

How is arbitration a remedy to Eichel?

I don't see how that excludes that specific surgery.. it's been done in sports. Just because it hasn't been done in this specific sport doesn't make sense(to me) as to why they wouldn't cover it.
- DirtyDan

Sorry if late...

There are two (2) Insurances we are talking about:
- Health Insurance - covers the cost of medical surgery
- Business Insurance - covers Contracts in the event a Person under contract cannot fulfill their contract for personal services.

Both are issues.

Health Insurance.
Replacement does not yet have the same data that Fushion has, given that it has only been done for 10+ years vs 30+ years.
My cousin, Reg Sales Mgr for implanted devices for spinal surgery, runs into this all the time. Health Insurance companies want minimal risk and lots and lots of data points and more to support it. Fushion has it.
Replacement isn't there yet..but will get there for sure, especially neck vs lower back scenarios.
Health insurance will wait until more data points are available and prove as effective and about the same costs.

Contract/Business Insurance
isn't going to insure the Contract if the recommended Surgery determined by experts isn't followed. If Jack goes rogue, he is on his own...lime Michael said, a $50m gamble.

How is arbitration a remedy to Eichel?
- kingcong39

I've said it 100 times, but if he has a compelling argument then he should win.

Here are his remedies:

1.) Arbitration

2.) Sitting

I've said it 100 times, but if he has a compelling argument then he should win.

Here are his remedies:

1.) Arbitration

2.) Sitting
- Hank Balling

Like I've said before, the cat and mouse game between Eichel and the Sabres will continue.

I've said it 100 times, but if he has a compelling argument then he should win.

Here are his remedies:

1.) Arbitration

2.) Sitting
- Hank Balling

That's not the standard.

That's not the standard.
- Lunaion

A compelling argument should meet the necessary standard.

Or he can sit. That's it, unless Brisson can facilitate something

A compelling argument should meet the necessary standard.

Or he can sit. That's it, unless Brisson can facilitate something
- Hank Balling

No because if the deal doesn't work, Adams will stand his ground.

No because if the deal doesn't work, Adams will stand his ground.
- SABRES 89

As he should. It finally appears the inmates no longer run the asylum and I applaud the Sabres for that. ROR found his path out of town and took it. The Sabres can't do that again.

Eichel can elect to take the arbitration path available to him or he can sit. It's simple

As he should. It finally appears the inmates no longer run the asylum and I applaud the Sabres for that. ROR found his path out of town and took it. The Sabres can't do that again.

Eichel can elect to take the arbitration path available to him or he can sit. It's simple
- Hank Balling

or the other options, which aren't simple at all

As he should. It finally appears the inmates no longer run the asylum and I applaud the Sabres for that. ROR found his path out of town and took it. The Sabres can't do that again.

Eichel can elect to take the arbitration path available to him or he can sit. It's simple
- Hank Balling

Eichel will not control the Sabres, he though by changing agents that it may happen and he is sadly mistaken, he cried to his other agents and when it didn't work, he got another agent. He can keep crying because Adams will sit and wait and he doesn't care what other NHL writers write about him and that he should take less just to get Eichel out, not a chance in hell he will do that.

As he should. It finally appears the inmates no longer run the asylum and I applaud the Sabres for that. ROR found his path out of town and took it. The Sabres can't do that again.

Eichel can elect to take the arbitration path available to him or he can sit. It's simple
- Hank Balling

Or get the fusion.

Eichel will not control the Sabres, he though by changing agents that it may happen and he is sadly mistaken, he cried to his other agents and when it didn't work, he got another agent. He can keep crying because Adams will sit and wait and he doesn't care what other NHL writers write about him and that he should take less just to get Eichel out, not a chance in hell he will do that.
- SABRES 89

https://getyarn.io/yarn-c...f7-4074-86cc-302b7cef28b3

or the other options, which aren't simple at all
- Lunaion

https://youtu.be/RB-RcX5DS5A

It's such a shame for us to part
Nobody said it was easy
No one ever said it would be this hard
Oh, take me back to the start

Well they were always the most boring team in the league
- DirtyDan

That I heard plenty. Even in 2000 when we score the most goals in the league.

I've said it 100 times, but if he has a compelling argument then he should win.

Here are his remedies:

1.) Arbitration

2.) Sitting
- Hank Balling

It's a tough situation for all, but I feel for Jack. This isn't a minor surgery with little impact on future health / well being.
It is closer to a decision to go under the old-time scalpel surgery for knee ligaments versus the Arthascoptic procedures of today.

Fushion surgery carries a 5X more likely to require additional Fushions within 10 years ... then again in another 10 years. 3 surgery's in 20 years in which his neck movement becomes further restricted. The data on Replacement surgery is much more promising. Try that on for size by age 45 for all ya'all who read his options as black and white because of a CBA. Imagine you face the same today with Workmans Comp Insurance..no way out. Great!
For these reasons, I'm on the player's side...Jack's side.

For the reasons I identified in a previous post back a couple, Jack's side isn't going to win in arbitration, he knows it, the Sabres know it. I doubt he would win in a legal battle either.

His best option is in The Court of Public Opinion buttressed by the My Body, My Decision argument. IMO, his only real chance is to sit and turn up the heat on the Sabres, the NHL and NHLPA to come to a compromise and amend the CBA in some form or fashion.
That is a low odd options and still doesn't address the issues with Insurance Companies.

It ain't easy and It is a friggin mess

That I heard plenty. Even in 2000 when we score the second most goals in the league.
- Queenie_5_hole

FIFY

Also doesn't mean they weren't boring as (frank) to watch.

It's a tough situation for all, but I feel for Jack. This isn't a minor surgery with little impact on future health / well being.
It is closer to a decision to go under the old-time scalpel surgery for knee ligaments versus the Arthascoptic procedures of today.

Fushion surgery carries a 5X more likely to require additional Fushions within 10 years ... then again in another 10 years. 3 surgery's in 20 years in which his neck movement becomes further restricted. The data on Replacement surgery is much more promising. Try that on for size by age 45 for all ya'all who read his options as black and white because of a CBA. Imagine you face the same today with Workmans Comp Insurance..no way out. Great!
For these reasons, I'm on the player's side...Jack's side.

For the reasons I identified in a previous post back a couple, Jack's side isn't going to win in arbitration, he knows it, the Sabres know it. I doubt he would win in a legal battle either.

His best option is in The Court of Public Opinion buttressed by the My Body, My Decision argument. IMO, his only real chance is to sit and turn up the heat on the Sabres, the NHL and NHLPA to come to a compromise and amend the CBA in some form or fashion.
That is a low odd options and still doesn't address the issues with Insurance Companies.

It ain't easy and It is a friggin mess
- IonSabres

I get what you're saying and it's eloquently put.

I'd still like to see Eichel exhaust all his options under the CBA before declaring him the victim in the situation. There remains the possibility that the Sabres/insurance carrier are correct as to the course of action and not Eichel.

It's a tough situation for all, but I feel for Jack. This isn't a minor surgery with little impact on future health / well being.
It is closer to a decision to go under the old-time scalpel surgery for knee ligaments versus the Arthascoptic procedures of today.

Fushion surgery carries a 5X more likely to require additional Fushions within 10 years ... then again in another 10 years. 3 surgery's in 20 years in which his neck movement becomes further restricted. The data on Replacement surgery is much more promising. Try that on for size by age 45 for all ya'all who read his options as black and white because of a CBA. Imagine you face the same today with Workmans Comp Insurance..no way out. Great!
For these reasons, I'm on the player's side...Jack's side.

For the reasons I identified in a previous post back a couple, Jack's side isn't going to win in arbitration, he knows it, the Sabres know it. I doubt he would win in a legal battle either.

His best option is in The Court of Public Opinion buttressed by the My Body, My Decision argument. IMO, his only real chance is to sit and turn up the heat on the Sabres, the NHL and NHLPA to come to a compromise and amend the CBA in some form or fashion.
That is a low odd options and still doesn't address the issues with Insurance Companies.

It ain't easy and It is a friggin mess
- IonSabres

Except you don't sign a contract with Worker's Comp for millions upon millions of dollars. And the NHL doesn't pay lobbyists millions upon millions of dollars to lobby states to get favorable laws passed so that they don't have to pay for anything.

The players and management bargained for this CBA, everyone went into it knowing what it said, and they all signed on the dotted line.

That's pretty (frank)ing far from some rando worker whose employer's negligence caused them injury and now has to fight a rigged game.

As he should. It finally appears the inmates no longer run the asylum and I applaud the Sabres for that. ROR found his path out of town and took it. The Sabres can't do that again.

Eichel can elect to take the arbitration path available to him or he can sit. It's simple
- Hank Balling

I'll forever disagree with the bolded part. HIs end of year interview wasn't some clever ploy to get out of here. He wanted to stay, and our GM made a trade for stupid reasons. I don't believe the bonus-owed crap. I firmly believe Botterill panicked at the fan criticism of what ROR said (words I had no problem with him saying). And that decision cost him his job here.

(no, I will never get over that stupid, pointless trade)

Happy fire your nurses night for some political rule that is anti science. What would you expect from the party who thinks their are 100s of genders and babies aren’t humans until they are born

Eichel will not control the Sabres, he though by changing agents that it may happen and he is sadly mistaken, he cried to his other agents and when it didn't work, he got another agent. He can keep crying because Adams will sit and wait and he doesn't care what other NHL writers write about him and that he should take less just to get Eichel out, not a chance in hell he will do that.
- SABRES 89

Why Eichel thinks he should have been traded by now is a mystery to me. He's injured, needs major surgery, and he thinks teams are lining up to give up assets for him ? It's not a simple surgery. Nobody knows what will happen or whether he'll recover smoothly - or if he'll ever be the same player.

It's just a huge, unfortunate injury that just needs to heal after major surgery, and we're all just going to have to wait for however long that takes. Then MAYBE he'll get traded. Until then, he should STFU.

Why Eichel thinks he should have been traded by now is a mystery to me. He's injured, needs major surgery, and he thinks teams are lining up to give up assets for him ? It's not a simple surgery. Nobody knows what will happen or whether he'll recover smoothly - or if he'll ever be the same player.

It's just a huge, unfortunate injury that just needs to heal after major surgery, and we're all just going to have to wait for however long that takes. Then MAYBE he'll get traded. Until then, he should STFU.
- kritter65

I agree with you

Happy fire your nurses night for some political rule that is anti science. What would you expect from the party who thinks their are 100s of genders and babies aren’t humans until they are born
- Alex the Great

Jesus effing Christ you are one jaded MF-er. Can you go on some sort of hiatus ? Or walkabout in the Australian desert for a while ? You need to go find yourself - do some soul-searching.

Can you at least just stick to sports-talk for a while ?

Why Eichel thinks he should have been traded by now is a mystery to me. He's injured, needs major surgery, and he thinks teams are lining up to give up assets for him ? It's not a simple surgery. Nobody knows what will happen or whether he'll recover smoothly - or if he'll ever be the same player.

It's just a huge, unfortunate injury that just needs to heal after major surgery, and we're all just going to have to wait for however long that takes. Then MAYBE he'll get traded. Until then, he should STFU.
- kritter65

Sounds good. One question: Which surgery is he getting?

There's no end in sight in that regard.