Hart, Frost, York, Farabee and Allison all have the ability to dramatically boost the Flyers in my opinion.
- MJL

I'll agree that Hart has that potential. Coming back with Dillabaugh, who was right alongside last season and wasn't able to come even close to being able to stop the bleeding, is troubling.

The biggest need this off-season was to stabilize the goalie position. The Flyers chose to allocate assets and cap space to other areas, leaving their young goalie to face the same if not more pressure this upcoming season with Martin Jones as the fall back. Hart hasn't been the definition of durable in his NHL career either.

To go back to his potential, it's about ensuring he is placed into an environment, similar to the young defensemen, that he has the best chance at achieving his potential. What Fletcher has done, is not it. He might overcome the current situation, but they did him zero favours.

As alluded to before, the head coach that very willingly thrown him to the wolves in the media is also back. It's therefore not a stretch to say that his handling of Hart behind closed doors, was also questionable.

Zamula, Frost, Farabee, York, an injury prone Allison do have the ability to positively impact this club. I'll maintain that maybe Farabee aside, its really more of just what they already have, and after failing with Myers, Ghost, and Patrick. After struggling to ensure Sanheim and Provorov don't stagnate, are the current bench crew the right men to ensure proper development to maximize said talent?

I'll agree that Hart has that potential. Coming back with Dillabaugh, who was right alongside last season and wasn't able to come even close to being able to stop the bleeding, is troubling.

The biggest need this off-season was to stabilize the goalie position. The Flyers chose to allocate assets and cap space to other areas, leaving their young goalie to face the same if not more pressure this upcoming season with Martin Jones as the fall back. Hart hasn't been the definition of durable in his NHL career either.

To go back to his potential, it's about ensuring he is placed into an environment, similar to the young defensemen, that he has the best chance at achieving his potential. What Fletcher has done, is not it. He might overcome the current situation, but they did him zero favours.

As alluded to before, the head coach that very willingly thrown him to the wolves in the media is also back. It's therefore not a stretch to say that his handling of Hart behind closed doors, was also questionable.

Frost, Farabee, York, an injury prone Allison do have the ability to positively impact this club. I'll maintain that maybe Farabee aside, its really more of just what they already have, and after failing with Myers, Ghost, and Patrick. After struggling to ensure Sanheim and Provorov don't stagnate, are the current bench crew the right men to ensure proper development to maximize said talent?
- FlyerFan3260

All you are doing is harping on last year but what about the year before, with the same coaching staff, were they such an issue then? I believe the team even gave Hart a week off last year to let him reset, they aren’t feeding him to the wolves. Hart sucked along with the rest of the team and the staff.

All you are doing is harping on last year but what about the year before, with the same coaching staff, were they such an issue then? I believe the team even gave Hart a week off last year to let him reset, they aren’t feeding him to the wolves. Hart sucked along with the rest of the team and the staff.
- ClaudeFather

The Flyers the season before did better, but scraped by a Montreal team. I am not as enthused by a first round championship banner.

Some will count that as a positive step, and I suppose it is but my standards for this team fall much higher. It was an "okay" result for the end of that season, but not something to be overly proud of.

I dont buy the Covid excuse and lack of practice time one bit, even if its something the team pushed out to its fanbase to quell displeasure last season. Every other team in the NHL dealt with that. Or had Canadian players that the Flyers chose to identify as being out of shape culprits.

Last season, even with an okay performance the year prior doesn't somehow get erased. You think he survives to coach another year if the standards in Philadelphia hadn't dropped post Snider? That he survives in a Canadian Market or Boston? New York?

The Flyers the season before did better, but scraped by a Montreal team. I am not as enthused by a first round championship banner.

Some will count that as a positive step, and I suppose it is but my standards for this team fall much higher. It was an "okay" result for the end of that season, but not something to be overly proud of.

I dont buy the Covid excuse and lack of practice time one bit, even if its something the team pushed out to its fanbase to quell displeasure last season. Every other team in the NHL dealt with that. Or had Canadian players that the Flyers chose to identify as being out of shape culprits.

Last season, even with an okay performance the year prior doesn't somehow get erased. You think he survives to coach another year if the standards in Philadelphia hadn't dropped post Snider? That he survives in a Canadian Market or Boston? New York?
- FlyerFan3260

The playoff bubble was not real. When the team ended the regular season they were firing on all cylinders, a tight checking team, strong in every zone. AV certainly had something to do with that, the guy has succeeded in Vancouver and NY. Last year was what it was, he didn’t have a strong year along with everyone else.

Can’t have the 5th rounder out working you Frost. This kid better have a good pre season.

Moving jake and Simmonds while they had value, probably still end up with G and Coots with some good years when it’s said and done. What would you call the playoff bubble retool the prospect pipeline years? Not putting this all on hextall either, management would probably never allow them to bottom out but just hovering on the cut line does you no good.
- ClaudeFather

Voracek did have value. They got Atkinson for him. Are you telling me if they just made those two moves earlier, things would be drastically different? Maybe, maybe not. You don't know either. In my opinion the recent moves the team made have far more potential to hurt the team long term than the Flyers not doing a "proper" rebuild in many eyes.

The Flyers the season before did better, but scraped by a Montreal team. I am not as enthused by a first round championship banner.

Some will count that as a positive step, and I suppose it is but my standards for this team fall much higher. It was an "okay" result for the end of that season, but not something to be overly proud of.

I dont buy the Covid excuse and lack of practice time one bit, even if its something the team pushed out to its fanbase to quell displeasure last season. Every other team in the NHL dealt with that. Or had Canadian players that the Flyers chose to identify as being out of shape culprits.

Last season, even with an okay performance the year prior doesn't somehow get erased. You think he survives to coach another year if the standards in Philadelphia hadn't dropped post Snider? That he survives in a Canadian Market or Boston? New York?
- FlyerFan3260

Here is what you're not realizing. If your a team that is playing well and executing and not having team wide issues, not having effective practice time is not a big deal because you don't need it. When you're a team whose entire team game is breaking down and individual mistakes as a result are snowballing and the team is leaking confidence like crazy, not having effective practice time to turn that around is devastating to a team. So to say it's the same for every team is shortsighted because it is not the same for every team.

Voracek did have value. They got Atkinson for him. Are you telling me if they just made those two moves earlier, things would be drastically different? Maybe, maybe not. You don't know either. In my opinion the recent moves the team made have far more potential to hurt the team long term than the Flyers not doing a "proper" rebuild in many eyes.
- MJL

It could have, maybe you get a Draisaitl instead of a Sanheim, you never know. Yea it’s kind of tough to see past this year without this year playing out to be honest. Moves had to be made at some point, we will see if this was the right time to do it.

It could have, maybe you get a Draisaitl instead of a Sanheim, you never know. Yea it’s kind of tough to see past this year without this year playing out to be honest. Moves had to be made at some point, we will see if this was the right time to do it.
- ClaudeFather

C'mon, be serious. Draisaitl was chosen 3rd overall.

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C'mon, be serious. Draisaitl was chosen 3rd overall.
- MJL

Haha I’m just saying you never know. There’s too much unknown, Raffl at the right time traded could have gotten a nice return.

Here is what you're not realizing. If your a team that is playing well and executing and not having team wide issues, not having effective practice time is not a big deal because you don't need it. When you're a team whose entire team game is breaking down and individual mistakes as a result are snowballing and the team is leaking confidence like crazy, not having effective practice time to turn that around is devastating to a team. So to say it's the same for every team is shortsighted because it is not the same for every team.
- MJL

That’s fair to say on one hand, on the other is the notion that nobody forced the Flyers to go into such a struggle early on that they needed so much practice time to get out of it.

There are few teams in the league that can play above poor systems management and coaching effects. Talent can overcome but for a team like the Flyers that overwhelmingly is designed to win by depth and attrition, you need a crew of bench leaders that get the most out of their club. Especially the youngsters.

They failed last season. The leash should be mighty short this year, and if it is indeed that short the smart move would have been to make a change in the summer when a a HC/staff have time to implement their acumen on to the team.

If Alain has them middling for a playoff berth, or the PP is again struggling changes need to be made quickly. I think most would agree.

That’s fair to say on one hand, on the other is the notion that nobody forced the Flyers to go into such a struggle early on that they needed so much practice time to get out of it.

There are few teams in the league that can play above poor systems management and coaching effects. Talent can overcome but for a team like the Flyers that overwhelmingly is designed to win by depth and attrition, you need a crew of bench leaders that get the most out of their club. Especially the youngsters.

They failed last season. The leash should be mighty short this year, and if it is indeed that short the smart move would have been to make a change in the summer when a a HC/staff have time to implement their acumen on to the team.

If Alain has them middling for a playoff berth, or the PP is again struggling changes need to be made quickly. I think most would agree.
- FlyerFan3260

I think it's fair to lay fair criticism on the coaching staff but honestly, I think you're going overboard in thinking they should've made a change. Just my opinion.

Haha I’m just saying you never know. There’s too much unknown, Raffl at the right time traded could have gotten a nice return.
- ClaudeFather

Reaching.

I think it's fair to lay fair criticism on the coaching staff but honestly, I think you're going overboard in thinking they should've made a change. Just my opinion.
- MJL

Appreciate the conversation.

Can I ask why you are in favor of Therrien having returned? There has been nothing shown in his time as the designer to promote faith in his abilities.

It will be an interesting season for the Flyers, for all the talk about coaching I think Hart will be the biggest determinant of success.

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Appreciate the conversation.

Can I ask why you are in favor of Therrien having returned? There has been nothing shown in his time as the designer to promote faith in his abilities.

It will be an interesting season for the Flyers, for all the talk about coaching I think Hart will be the biggest determinant of success.
- FlyerFan3260

I'm more talking about Vigneault. I'm not a fan of Therrien and never have been.

Hart, Frost, York, Farabee and Allison all have the ability to dramatically boost the Flyers in my opinion.
- MJL

I’m with you. I think they have the ability to rebound quickly with these guys.

I’m not expecting last year. I think they’re a playoff team despite the East having some tough outs.

With Hayes out, it could be a bumpy road to start, but let’s see how some of our young forwards progress

For me, I did turn off a lot of games. But the real number was how many times I didn’t even bother tuning in in the first place. It was a hard team to get invested in.

The Flyers the season before did better, but scraped by a Montreal team. I am not as enthused by a first round championship banner.

Some will count that as a positive step, and I suppose it is but my standards for this team fall much higher. It was an "okay" result for the end of that season, but not something to be overly proud of.

I dont buy the Covid excuse and lack of practice time one bit, even if its something the team pushed out to its fanbase to quell displeasure last season. Every other team in the NHL dealt with that. Or had Canadian players that the Flyers chose to identify as being out of shape culprits.

Last season, even with an okay performance the year prior doesn't somehow get erased. You think he survives to coach another year if the standards in Philadelphia hadn't dropped post Snider? That he survives in a Canadian Market or Boston? New York?
- FlyerFan3260

I originally blew off the Covid excuse last year, until I got Covid this year. Even though I was symptom free for a while, my energy level was still way down. Obviously the NHL players are younger and in better shape, but that Covid had to effect their play on the ice.

The most exciting game I ever attended was game 6 in the 87 finals. When Daigneault scored I thought the roof was gonna blow of the Spectrum again! The roar of that crowd was louder than any concert I ever attended.
- BiggE

I was lucky enough to be at that game as well and I agree! Still the loudest sports venue I have ever been in to this day. The old Spectrum was shakin when JJ Doughnuts scored the game winner that night!

I originally blew off the Covid excuse last year, until I got Covid this year. Even though I was symptom free for a while, my energy level was still way down. Obviously the NHL players are younger and in better shape, but that Covid had to effect their play on the ice.
- Thors-Hammer

I'm out of shape but not overweight and I'm still feeling the effects of covid. Almost a year now and it's been rough. I had a mild case originally. Because of this I find it hard to believe it was a natural virus that made the jump to humans. We made this 100%.

~Positive vibes~

Trying to be optimistic
- Glak18

~~~Super Dooper Positive vibes~~~

Already extra doubly optimistic

Could Foerster be the next Farabee? He's on his way! If he shows up in the preseason games, we may see him on the big club if not opening night, very soon after, similar to Farabee's path. I for one don't want to see another year with G, Couts, TK and JVR on the PP. Instead I want to see Farabee on one side and Foerster on the other, firing bullets top shelf like Foerster did yesterday on Jones in practice.

Could Foerster be the next Farabee? He's on his way! If he shows up in the preseason games, we may see him on the big club if not opening night, very soon after, similar to Farabee's path. I for one don't want to see another year with G, Couts, TK and JVR on the PP. Instead I want to see Farabee on one side and Foerster on the other, firing bullets top shelf like Foerster did yesterday on Jones in practice.
- jd250

It's doubtful. I'm not sure what the rules are with the junior eligible players that were in the AHL last year. If they can be moved up and down. Giroux is going to be on the PP and running it off of the half wall. Aren't they in win now mode and aren't you happy about that? Tired of waiting? What makes you think that one of them can run a PP like Giroux can?