😃
Shootout winner

lol

He creates chances for everyone else with his speed and unmatched defensive prowess
- mr.sir

He does absolutely nothing at his price point that can't be replicated by a number of players. Nothing.

He wanted to play higher up in the lineup, he got Kerfoot and Nylander and looked like a minor leaguer with them. He has zero offensive ability, the play dies on his stick and his linemates offensive potential is limited as a result.

He is a complete waste of cap space, give him his trade request.

He does absolutely nothing at his price range that can't be replicated by a number of players. Nothing.

He wanted to play higher up in the lineup, he got Kerfoot and Nylander and looked like a minor leaguer with them. He has zero offensive ability, the play dies on his stick and his linemates offensive potential is limited as a result.

He is a complete waste of cap space.
- joel878

Relax


Calm down

😆

I’m listening to MacKinnon on 32 thoughts.

He said everyone who ripped on Marner during and after the playoffs are “pathetic.” And I 100% agree with him.

He also explained how Landeskog always goes to the dirty areas and does all the heavy lifting. He’s really tough. I wish our Swede had more leadership qualities.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Well, Nylander scores more goals than anyone from the net front, but you already knew that. He also lead the team in scoring in the playoffs.

But yeah, Marner Derangement Syndrome has been really sad to witness.

He's screwed up too many times for me. I'm not a fan. I waiting to be but not really impressed with him or Liljegrin.
- Barb34

One is 21 with 42 career NHL games (regular + playoff).
The other is 22 with 13 career NHL games.

First, I like Engvall. He might very well be the one to go. Who's the first guy to sit in the press box? That's usually an indicator! He's inconsistent, so I get it. But I like it when he's playing well.

The only problem with dumping Engvall is that he's @ $1.25m which is arguably too much - dumping him _does_ give us the flexibility to bring up a 7th D-Man, but it leaves us with 12F. The cap is so tight that the edges of F or D are pretty tight.

Any LTIR injury gets you some relief (Kase comes to mind), but yeah . . .it's probably trade Kerfoot time - even if he is a better player than Engvall.
- Monkeypunk

I think Kerfot is more valuable to the team than a lot of fans think. Dubas seems to think so, too. He doesn't bring much offensively, but not many call ups will be able to take draws and play (potentially) both special teams while being reliable in their own zone. I get Kerf isn't a dynamo but he is steady and was good in the playoffs. Replacing him internally is a big gamble. Right now, I see the team worse without him.

Solid win

Ganriel, Ho-Sang, Amadio, Robertson looked good out there.

Bloody stupid shootout. Great idea till a goalie pulls something. Idiotic.
- Roadrunner75

As a goalie I agree very f*#king much!

I will also say on a shootout coming straight down the middle is a chump move. Cut to the side, make the goalie come across and give yourself more options.

Look at the goals vs saves in this shootout for proof.

Mickey with the shootout winner - glad he scored and showed he didn’t forget how to score when in alone. :-)



Now let’s go Blue Jays!!!!

Relax


Calm down

😆
- mr.sir

Cute.

He does absolutely nothing at his price range that can't be replicated by a number of players. Nothing.

He wanted to play higher up in the lineup, he got Kerfoot and Nylander and looked like a minor leaguer with them. He has zero offensive ability, the play dies on his stick and his linemates offensive potential is limited as a result.

He is a complete waste of cap space.
- joel878

Mikheyev has done nothing to warrant a defense - but I will give him this: It's the first preseason game. The Leafs and the competition are half AHL players, not in season form, and working out kinks and getting used to one another.

I'm not throwing him under the bus for tonight. He's overpaid for what we've gotten - and I'll add that I'm not sure what I'm supposed to expect from him (is he a goal scorer? Is he a shut down guy? What is his actual role?) - but if he were to work out with Kampf on an effective shutdown line, I'd have nothing but love for him and his $1.6m cap hit.

Chicken shawarma platter to my face

Villeneuve? Can he drive a race car?

Mikheyev has done nothing to warrant a defense - but I will give him this: It's the first preseason game. The Leafs and the competition are half AHL players, not in season form, and working out kinks and getting used to one another.

I'm not throwing him under the bus for tonight. He's overpaid for what we've gotten - and I'll add that I'm not sure what I'm supposed to expect from him (is he a goal scorer? Is he a shut down guy? What is his actual role?) - but if he were to work out with Kampf on an effective shutdown line, I'd have nothing but love for him and his $1.6m cap hit.
- Monkeypunk

Well said - I agree with you on this, it’s hard to really say if he’s good value for $ or not without really knowing what his role is supposed to be.

Shootout winner tonight though = 👍

0 for 2 on breakaways = 🤮

Semien with the Jack, 42 home runs - wow!

They need to figure out how to resign him and Robbie Ray next season, both have been incredible.

I think Kerfot is more valuable to the team than a lot of fans think. Dubas seems to think so, too. He doesn't bring much offensively, but not many call ups will be able to take draws and play (potentially) both special teams while being reliable in their own zone. I get Kerf isn't a dynamo but he is steady and was good in the playoffs. Replacing him internally is a big gamble. Right now, I see the team worse without him.
- UsernameUnknown

So there's no confusion: I really don't want us to trade Kerfoot. I think he's valuable as a winger. I think he's actually capable of being a legitimate top-6 winger. In terms of top-6 wingers in the league, he'd still be in the lower half, or the lower quarter, but he's still not a bad player.

Our problem is the $80k in capspace and the need for roster flexibility. Simply dumping an Engvall or Mikheyev or what-have-you gives us a spot we can move around (i.e., trade Engvall for a 5th, and we can move Robertson or Liljegren in and out of the lineup as required - but if we need to move BOTH into the lineup, we won't have the space).

Well said - I agree with you on this, it’s hard to really say if he’s good value for $ or not without really knowing what his role is supposed to be.

Shootout winner tonight though = 👍

0 for 2 on breakaways = 🤮

Semien with the Jack, 42 home runs - wow!

They need to figure out how to resign him and Robbie Ray next season, both have been incredible.
- Cush29

My friends and I were joking about starting a GoFundMe for the Jays so we can keep those two!

I’m listening to MacKinnon on 32 thoughts.

He said everyone who ripped on Marner during and after the playoffs are “pathetic.” And I 100% agree with him.

He also explained how Landeskog always goes to the dirty areas and does all the heavy lifting. He’s really tough. I wish our Swede had more leadership qualities.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

So we can't complain about the highest paid RW in hockey for being ineffective for the 3rd straight (frank)ing playoff? (frank) off, Mac.

Marner hasn't scored in 18 games in the post-season and only has 10 apples to show for it in that time.

He deserves criticism and I think he can handle it. He has 10.9M reasons to handle it.

My friends and I were joking about starting a GoFundMe for the Jays so we can keep those two!
- Monkeypunk

Just go over your allowed data for
The month on your mobile plan. Rogers will bill you enough per gig to pay for at least one of them. 🙄🤣😁

Well, Nylander scores more goals than anyone from the net front, but you already knew that. He also lead the team in scoring in the playoffs.

But yeah, Marner Derangement Syndrome has been really sad to witness.
- Zezel

Marner apologetics have been really sad to witness too.

I think Kerfot is more valuable to the team than a lot of fans think. Dubas seems to think so, too.He doesn't bring much offensively, but not many call ups will be able to take draws and play (potentially) both special teams while being reliable in their own zone. I get Kerf isn't a dynamo but he is steady and was good in the playoffs. Replacing him internally is a big gamble. Right now, I see the team worse without him.
- UsernameUnknown

Wtf are you talking about? If Kerf was so valuable why was he exposed in the expansion draft?

Recency bias is a thing and it seems to be infecting a lot of Leafs fans who think he's now a valuable and essential part of this roster.

He's not. The Leafs can do better with 3.5M than Alex Kerfoot, a guy who can't legitimately play as a Top 6 winger and is mediocre (at best) as a 3C.

So we can't complain about the highest paid RW in hockey for being ineffective for the 3rd straight (frank)ing playoff? (frank) off, Mac.

Marner hasn't scored in 18 games in the post-season and only has 10 apples to show for it in that time.

He deserves criticism and I think he can handle it. He has 10.9M reasons to handle it.
- mjones242

So we are mad at Marner AND Nathan McKinnon now?

Just trying to keep up with whose house to March to with pitchforks and torches.

🤣😁😎

So we are mad at Marner AND Nathan McKinnon now?

Just trying to keep up with whose house to March to with pitchforks and torches.

🤣😁😎
- Cush29

Yes, because criticizing Mitch Marner means we want to storm his house in a mob with pitchforks and torches.

Marner has sucked hard in the past 3 post-seasons. He is the highest paid RW in the game but God forbid fans call him out for not elevating his (frank)ing play.

I don't give a (frank) what Mac has to say. I very much doubt he watched every game the Leafs played last playoff. He's just upset that his superstar buddy is feeling so butthurt that some fans are upset. Boo hoo.

Marner apologetics have been really sad to witness too.
- mjones242

Not as sad as Marner apoplectics

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- Canada Cup

Did you say that out loud?

Wtf are you talking about? If Kerf was so valuable why was he exposed in the expansion draft?

Recency bias is a thing and it seems to be infecting a lot of Leafs fans who think he's now a valuable and essential part of this roster.

He's not. The Leafs can do better with 3.5M than Alex Kerfoot, a guy who can't legitimately play as a Top 6 winger and is mediocre (at best) as a 3C.
- mjones242

Dubas literally went out and got Mcann just to make sure Kerfoot would stay a Leaf.
I don't think he's essential to the roster at all. But I'm saying the team would be worse without him if they only replaced him internally. Which was my argument to Monkeypuck. Cap space is nice, but not if you don't use it properly. I'd rather have Kerfoot in the lineup than take him out to make sure we can fit Gabriel and Liljegren under the cap.

So we can't complain about the highest paid RW in hockey for being ineffective for the 3rd straight (frank)ing playoff? (frank) off, Mac.

Marner hasn't scored in 18 games in the post-season and only has 10 apples to show for it in that time.

He deserves criticism and I think he can handle it. He has 10.9M reasons to handle it.
- mjones242

You have no right to use "playoff performance issues" as a debating point in your nonsensical Marner's rhetoric, while in the same breath saying Kerfoot brings nothing to the table while being one of our best playoff performers over the past two years. Stop being a hypocrite and pick a side.