this is what hubie laid out on wednesday:

"What I heard from a reliable source is once he fails his physical the Sabres are no longer liable for his health. Jack can then go get whatever he wants and the sabres are on the hook for nothing.

HE will then take his surgery be out till the Olympics go win the gold and be dealt after the tournament."

this is a viable solution, possible (probable?) win-win, for both sides...jack gets his surgery and the sabres are off the hook financially if things go array...he can recover from surgery and hit the ice in competitive fashion for the olympics while allowing for full evaluation by trade partners without ever donning a sabres jersey again
- Michael Pachla

Billionaires do not accept win win scenarios…


https://youtu.be/t7HD2xG92-0

The win-win, here, if you want to call it that, is the team letting him get his surgery and going on faith that it will be fine long enough for him to show that he can play so that he can get traded. You need to put your faith in Dr. Chad Prusmack and Dr. Andrew Cappucino.

If you're at an impasse like this, one team, whether it's us or someone else, needs to let him get his way. Or convince him to get fusion. The third option is to let it heal on its own, and we don't know, nor does it sound likely, that that is an option any longer.

Who would ne on the hook? Jack? Insurance? New team? If it is on the new team that definitely won't help facilitate a trade.
If it's on Jack I dont think we wants to lose any part of that $50M either.
- TheHank

i'm not an attorney, but contract insurance seems to be a big, big part of the stalemate...it's about that $50m and who'd be liable if something went wrong...if jack goes rogue then that's on him

-A player under contract means that player is covered medically under their employer. Unless the player breaches his contract, he is medically covered throughout.

-He will not put his contract in jeopardy to get the surgery he desires, and even if he did, he's (probably) not playing in the Olympics.

-The only way the Sabres are off the hook is if Jack gets his surgery, but it's not that simple. They could terminate his contract, lose a franchise asset for absolutely nothing, or suspend him indefinitely, make an example of him and let him rot, which is awful optics for the franchise that doesn't need any more. A 'viable' solution, as stated in the comment above, is neither viable nor win-win. At best it's win-lose, Jack gets his surgery, sure, but puts his career at massive risk. He may become untradable. He may not be able to play. Or be trusted. Here's a guy who violated an 80 million dollar contract to get his way. What if most teams don't trust the surgery? What if all of them don't? What do the Sabres do with a dead asset? Sure I guess you don't have to pay him, but I think you'd rather pay him and trade him for useful young pieces than let him rot for *checks notes* 5 years.

-And if the above is not or partially not true, you think the Sabres are going to let the (frank)ing guy back on the ice if he gives them the finger and gets his own surgery? He's either (frank)ed or (frank)ed.
- TheSabresTaco

it's a gamble for jack if he goes and gets his surgery against the wishes of the team and their doctors...the team will have no liability for his $50m contract should something go wrong...that would be a lose-lose scenario as jack's career is ruined and the sabres get nothing for him (although they wouldn't be on the hook for the $50m owed him because he went against their doctors)

- GStone

Gotta love Rangers fans spamming our board.

BuT wE dOn'T eVeN wAnT hIm

Cool, be gone with all ya, we already know NY is more desirable then Buffalo for hockey players, it also hasn't bred any success in Eastern NY (I mean, other than the Islanders)

Billionaires do not accept win win scenarios…


https://youtu.be/t7HD2xG92-0
- washedup20

that was phuckin funny...

*searches for swine livers to go with capri sun*

that was phuckin funny...

*searches for swine livers to go with capri sun*
- Michael Pachla

Adam Driver is criminally underrated.

it's a gamble for jack if he goes and gets his surgery against the wishes of the team and their doctors...the team will have no liability for his $50m contract should something go wrong...that would be a lose-lose scenario as jack's career is ruined and the sabres get nothing for him (although they wouldn't be on the hook for the $50m owed him because he went against their doctors)
- Michael Pachla

yeah pretty much that. He knows it. Financially yeah the Sabres are safe, but they can't just buy great young franchise players. And so, there's a real chance no one wins. Except Terry's pocketbook. And the yacht. And the terrorists.

this is what hubie laid out on wednesday:

"What I heard from a reliable source is once he fails his physical the Sabres are no longer liable for his health. Jack can then go get whatever he wants and the sabres are on the hook for nothing.

HE will then take his surgery be out till the Olympics go win the gold and be dealt after the tournament."

this is a viable solution, possible (probable?) win-win, for both sides...jack gets his surgery and the sabres are off the hook financially if things go array...he can recover from surgery and hit the ice in competitive fashion for the olympics while allowing for full evaluation by trade partners without ever donning a sabres jersey again
- Michael Pachla

The only issue here is if other teams also don’t like the disc replacement surgery and the concerns that surgery brings. That may continue to suppress his value.

Adam Driver is criminally underrated.
- TheSabresTaco

nobody could keep a straight face...pete davidson was inches from busting out laughing

Girgensons yesterday: I knew right away that practices were different [when Donnie took over].. Guys competing. We want to be one of the hardest working teams.

(frank)ing guy wasn't even on the ice and he noticed a 180 in practice habits. (frank) you Ralph, don't ruin another hockey team in any league.

The only issue here is if other teams also don’t like the disc replacement surgery and the concerns that surgery brings. That may continue to suppress his value.
- Gr8daygo

point taken...

simply put, i don't know for sure what the details are, nor even if it's possible that the scenario hubie laid out could even happen...but it makes sense if there are financial liability issues...it might be the only way out and might be what kagm and brisson have talked about

nobody could keep a straight face...pete davidson was inches from busting out laughing
- Michael Pachla

I've got that school clip and also the Casey Affleck Dunkin Commercial in there too.

Girgensons yesterday: I knew right away that practices were different
- TheSabresTaco[when Donnie took over].. Guys competing. We want to be one of the hardest working teams.

(frank)ing guy wasn't even on the ice and he noticed a 180 in practice habits. (frank) you Ralph, don't ruin another hockey team in any league.

he was crushed under the weight of his own synergistic devices

he was crushed under the weight of his own synergistic devices
- Michael Pachla

like a hero about to be crushed under the pneumatic closing wall.

Josh Allen embraced western new york


Jack eichel embraces jack eichel
- homiedclown

I should go back and copy/paste how many times over the past 3,4 years I said Eichel does not have the maturity, mental focus to be a captain or leader and his ego is going to kill us

I should go back and copy/paste how many times over the past 3,4 years I said Eichel does not have the maturity, mental focus to be a captain or leader and his ego is going to kill us
- lulags

but why

but why
- TheSabresTaco

Naysayers. Blinded by his generational talent light

What is major trouble with the NHL and how much messier can it get? He is in stagnation, not playing hockey, no end in sight has no desire for fusion and this has been going on for months.

If the league and Sabres sued him they would lose the PR fight in the eyes of many so that really may not be the best route to take. There are a lot of my body my choice a la carte people.

The NHL wants players like Jack Eichel to be playing and not dominating their news cycles because they can't have medical procedures that they want because they say so.
- GilPerreault11

How about never playing in the NHL again ......and losing all his money due to lawsuits.

The NHL wants Eichel to be health and play .......... but not if he goes about the NHL CBA. He is putting himself above the entire league, saying he knows better.

No player is above the entire league ...... not even mcdavid.

The win-win, here, if you want to call it that, is the team letting him get his surgery and going on faith that it will be fine long enough for him to show that he can play so that he can get traded. You need to put your faith in Dr. Chad Prusmack and Dr. Andrew Cappucino.

If you're at an impasse like this, one team, whether it's us or someone else, needs to let him get his way. Or convince him to get fusion. The third option is to let it heal on its own, and we don't know, nor does it sound likely, that that is an option any longer.
- TheSabresTaco

Cappucino is one of the best spinal and neck doctors in the world ..... I would trust his judgement over jack eichel .

Naysayers. Blinded by his generational talent light
- lulags

I don't really recall people claiming he was some Mark Messier. He's always been good, and there's always been questions regarding his personality.

How about never playing in the NHL again ......and losing all his money due to lawsuits.

The NHL wants Eichel to be health and play .......... but not if he goes about the NHL CBA. He is putting himself above the entire league, saying he knows better.

No player is above the entire league ...... not even mcdavid.
- Sabretooth9

It's well within his right to choose the surgery he's most comfortable with and decline a surgery that he isn't. It just creates a stalemate and consequences in other areas. He's clearly putting his long term health above everything else. I think you can respect that.

Cappucino is one of the best spinal and neck doctors in the world ..... I would trust his judgement over jack eichel .
- Sabretooth9

It's not Jack Eichel making a medical opinion, it's his doctor.

Again, he's putting his long term health above all else. I'm not saying either side is wrong in their opinion, but if research an science state that Jack's preferred method has a much lower risk of additional surgery, then I can't blame him for wanting to take that course.

We don't actually know why the Sabres (and apparently the majority of spinal specialists) are refusing Jack's method. We've heard from Prusmack, but we haven't heard from a Sabres doctor. Jack would need to grant them permission to speak about his case publicly. And considering that they would attempt to negate Jack's opinion, I highly doubt he would sign off.

I had a friend require three surgeries on her fused neck within a 10 year span. Just one example.

@RealKyper
· 15m
Eichel has made it clear he’s willing to go anywhere to facilitate a trade. One of 1/2 doz teams involved tell me a trade is doable as long as the @BuffaloSabres are willing to add “conditional” clauses around how he performs after surgery. ie .. games played, scoring etc.

@RealKyper
· 15m
Eichel has made it clear he’s willing to go anywhere to facilitate a trade. One of 1/2 doz teams involved tell me a trade is doable as long as the @BuffaloSabres are willing to add “conditional” clauses around how he performs after surgery. ie .. games played, scoring etc.
- GilPerreault11

Get it done, KA.

I see no reason why he shouldn't/couldn't include conditions.