Eichel for RFA's Petterson and Hughes. Can that actually happen ? I'd take that.
- kritter65

Yes I would take that

I'm going to sell you a house.

One of the most expensive house on the market.

Thing is it might be structurally unsound.

We might not know for awhile.

Also, you cant live in the house for a very long time.

I still want full market value for the house though and ill take nothing less so don't bother countering.
- ImThatGuy

If I really needed a home, you have a deal.

I like your analogy though.

If there were only a few houses , you could ask what you want. Maybe a house that comes around every 5 years?
Similar repairs have been made before.

For years plumbers have dug up the yard and laid all new PVC piping to the main sewer. You know what to expect.

Recently the plumbing industry has a new power machine that jams plastic over the current piping. Without digging the lawn. Ram it up from the street.

Digging or ramming it's getting fixed ☝️

Yes, it's all his fault
- Wetbandit1

Josh Allen embraced western new york


Jack eichel embraces jack eichel

Penguins tanked for Mario

Devils were a disaster from 82-91. Drafted 3 HOF’ers in Shanahan, Broduer, Niedermayer)

Blackhawks got Toews + Kane.

Penguins got MAF, Staal, Malkin, then got lucky for Crosby.

Kings missed playoffs for a decade, won two cups. Drafted Kopitar, Doughty, Brayden Schenn whom was used as an asset via trade.

Leafs and Avalanche look like perennial contenders.

But yeah because Edmonton and Buffalo have terrible ownership and management forever and Frank up a wet dream tanking doesn’t work 😝
- Pegullaville

Devil's drafted brodeur at 20 (traded down from 11 with Calgary)

But yeah the early years were not pretty, hence why Gretzky called them a Mickey mouse franchise

Turned out pretty well once brodeur took over

And hoping things get better

Good post.
There's a human element to injury decision. That's why eichel was "hurt" by the team.

Its business for both sides, but strictly business from the pegula's. Eichel's a commodity. Yacht's don't build themselves.

This eichel situation has the fans backing management. Not too many with eichel on this one.

Keep him on the shelf thru tank4.

And maybe tank5. The following season. He's always gonna have minimal value. That's probably close to the current offers.... let him get healthy

2 strong drafts. Plus the sam 1st rounder.
- Boss34

That's strange to me. Both sides are acting in their best interest and their stances make sense. I lean slightly towards Eichel's side. I think he should have a little more control over his own body than the CBA is giving him.

I'm going to sell you a house.

One of the most expensive house on the market.

Thing is it might be structurally unsound.

We might not know for awhile.

Also, you cant live in the house for a very long time.

I still want full market value for the house though and ill take nothing less so don't bother countering.
- ImThatGuy

While I understand the jest, I don’t think the analogy is comparable.

Your scenario has comparable downsides but none of the upsides.

Josh Allen embraced western new york


Jack eichel embraces jack eichel
- homiedclown

Yes, Allen has an utterly inept front office and coaching staff too.

Jim Kelly embraced Jim Kelly too

While I understand the jest, I don’t think the analogy is comparable.

Your scenario has comparable downsides but none of the upsides.
- joshs

Only upside is that maybe you finally eventually find out that the house is actually structurally sound, and worth close to what you paid for it many moons ago. Seems like a sound analogy to me.

That's strange to me. Both sides are acting in their best interest and their stances make sense. I lean slightly towards Eichel's side. I think he should have a little more control over his own body than the CBA is giving him.
- Lunaion

I hate being on management's side, but it's 100% on the players for agreeing to this.

Maybe they could've given up the rental car/hotel reimbursement and taken medical autonomy.

They just voted last year to extend the CBA.

I hate being on management's side, but it's 100% on the players for agreeing to this.

Maybe they could've given up the rental car/hotel reimbursement and taken medical autonomy.

They just voted last year to extend the CBA.
- Wetbandit1

It's strange that they gave up some rights here when they were largely just extending the CBA.

There's a fair bit of distance between "sticking up for this embarrassing franchise" and understanding that you don't panic and accept a garbage trade for a franchise player. THAT is what an embarrassing franchise would do. For the short to mid-term, time is on the Sabres side. They have no pressing need to trade Eichel right now. Stop the whining and panicking.
- SoCalPucks

Isn't there a pressing need to have an agreement take place on the surgery Eichel has so he can be healthy and Adams can get a top return?

It seems clear that no team is offering a top return for an injured Eichel or Adams would've traded him already.

Yes, Allen has an utterly inept front office and coaching staff too.

Jim Kelly embraced Jim Kelly too
- Wetbandit1

You are right

Sabres front office did f up

They believed in jack eichel

I don't get where all of the sword swallowers here think that the sky has fallen and some big opportunity has been missed. They are gambling that he will be healthy before the end of the season, which I think is a good gamble. That in itself isn't incompetence.
- Slump Buster

How is Eichel going to be healthy? Magic?

There has been zero movement on a decision on which surgery Eichel will have for months.

Until that happens, Eichel will not be healthy.

The best they can hope for is they agree on the surgery tomorrow and Eichel heals 100%.

I have an extremely difficult time believing Eichel is ever putting the Sabres jersey on again.

How is Eichel going to be healthy? Magic?

There has been zero movement on a decision on which surgery Eichel will have for months.

Until that happens, Eichel will not be healthy.

The best they can hope for is they agree on the surgery tomorrow and Eichel heals 100%.

I have an extremely difficult time believing Eichel is ever putting the Sabres jersey on again.
- kingcong39

Jack is being stubborn on this and won't have the surgery the team wants him to have, therefore they'll only trade him to a team that will allow Eichel to have his preferred surgery - AND we still get a decent return. Until that happens, and that could be a VERY long time, he should be suspended and not paid. If that goes on for 5 years, so be it. I see no other options then the ones I just listed.

Jack is being stubborn on this and won't have the surgery the team wants him to have, therefore they'll only trade him to a team that will allow Eichel to have his preferred surgery - AND we still get a decent return. Until that happens, and that could be a VERY long time, he should be suspended and not paid. If that goes on for 5 years, so be it. I see no other options then the ones I just listed.
- kritter65

The problem there is after this season he has a ntc. So eichel has more control. But I agree suspend him without pay if it gets to that.

Yes, it's all his fault
- Wetbandit1

Matthew Stafford agrees

Jack is being stubborn on this and won't have the surgery the team wants him to have, therefore they'll only trade him to a team that will allow Eichel to have his preferred surgery - AND we still get a decent return. Until that happens, and that could be a VERY long time, he should be suspended and not paid. If that goes on for 5 years, so be it. I see no other options then the ones I just listed.
- kritter65

Both sides need to come to an agreement on surgery.

I'm not clear on what happens after that.

That's strange to me. Both sides are acting in their best interest and their stances make sense. I lean slightly towards Eichel's side. I think he should have a little more control over his own body than the CBA is giving him.
- Lunaion

That's interesting. I lean towards eichel on a personal injury choice, but these players agree to contacts backed by their union.

Eichel's hardly an expert more than any doctor.

As a fan, I'm backing the Sabres on this one.

Matthew Stafford agrees
- Pegullaville

Had a very interesting discussion with a buddy about Stafford. Think he’s HoF bound? I think if he has 5 more productive years with a couple deep playoff runs he’s a lock. Will have over 60K yards, prolly ending up 7/8 all time when he retires. Still a lot of football for him to play but I think he makes it.

If there was a stud young C in there instead of the goalie it would be a good haul. Not interested in getting back a goalie.
- Slump Buster

Not really sure why the Rangers or any team for that matter would trade a stud young C and I’m sure you think other parts like first rd picks, for a bad attitude player who needs neck surgery?

Had a very interesting discussion with a buddy about Stafford. Think he’s HoF bound? I think if he has 5 more productive years with a couple deep playoff runs he’s a lock. Will have over 60K yards, prolly ending up 7/8 all time when he retires. Still a lot of football for him to play but I think he makes it.
- SDSabre

I think he needs to win 1 superbowl. Or play for another 8-10 years. IMO.

Lot's of competition for entry at the qb position.

Interesting conversation ☝️

Eichel for RFA's Petterson and Hughes. Can that actually happen ? I'd take that.
- kritter65

No shot the canucks entertain Petterson for Eichel straight up at this point let alone include Hughes

Matthew Stafford agrees
- Pegullaville

Stafford is not elite, like Matt Ryan, he's just very good. Only twice in his Lions career did the team finish in the top 10 in points for despite always playing from behind and having, arguably, the 2nd or 3rd best WR of all-time. His yards certainly show he was always playing from behind, but that didn't translate to points. They were a middle of the pack offense at best, finishing 17th or below 6 out of his 9 years where he played every game, and one year at 13th, 4th, and 7th.

Had a very interesting discussion with a buddy about Stafford. Think he’s HoF bound? I think if he has 5 more productive years with a couple deep playoff runs he’s a lock. Will have over 60K yards, prolly ending up 7/8 all time when he retires. Still a lot of football for him to play but I think he makes it.
- SDSabre

I’ve watched almost all of Stafford’s starts because my pops is a Lions fan (grew up in Windsor).

Amazing how good he looks now with an OC who knows his head from his arse and finally has a defence that wouldn’t give up 30 points to Appalachian St.

Stafford is not elite, like Matt Ryan, he's just very good. Only twice in his Lions career did the team finish in the top 10 in points for despite always playing from behind and having, arguably, the 2nd or 3rd best WR of all-time. His yards certainly show he was always playing from behind, but that didn't translate to points. They were a middle of the pack offense at best, finishing 17th or below 6 out of his 9 years where he played every game, and one year at 13th, 4th, and 7th.
- Wetbandit1

The lions haven’t had any balance on offence ever.

At one point they didn’t have a 100 yard rusher for 20 straight games.

No running game, no play action game, no defence.

How many Head coaches and OC’s.

Lions are the NFL’s equivalent of the Sabres