Yes he can, he has a full NMC.
- ImThatGuy

And Buffalo can say no, just like he can say no. All a NMC does is balance the power to the player 50/50 vs when no clauses are in effect the club owns 100%. Are you really trying to say that Eichel would have 100% control. I don't believe that you are, and if you are, I will respectfully disagree due to the above.

I can't see Eichel rejecting a trade anywhere if it means playing hockey again and getting the hell out of here
- Hank Balling

this is where I'm at.

I'm not worried about free agents right now and I don't think they are either. They're going to build it through the draft, create that new culture and go from there. Free agents are the last thing on their minds for the next two years, I'm guessing. And, imo, that's the right thing to do. You'll see guys on one year deals to fill in a few gaps, but these kids are gong to take over.
- Powerslave

Good Post

Buffalo would have gotten more from Vegas but Hall nixed the deal.

Eichel has the power to nix any deal if he is still here a year from now.

Time remaining on the contract is irrelevant
- Pegullaville

Yeah you're also implying Buffalo would agree to a poopty deal from NYR or Bos because Jack says so. Buffalo would FIRST have to agree to a trade anywhere before taking it to Eichel. That is a key you are just ignoring completely for the sake of DOOOM IS COMING.

I think in this case, the sabres get more cred across the league by doing nothing

And Buffalo can say no, just like he can say no. All a NMC does is balance the power to the player 50/50 vs when no clauses are in effect the club owns 100%. Are you really trying to say that Eichel would have 100% control. I don't believe that you are, and if you are, I will respectfully disagree due to the above.
- SDSabre

Eichel does have 100% control.

IF 29 teams offer great deals and he say no ill only go to tam 30. What power do the Sabres have?

DOOOM IS COMING.
- SDSabre

fake news, I have not seen a mean tweet in over 8 months

But thats different, somehow.
- ImThatGuy

Yes because hall was a ufa Eichel is under contract.

something something, breach of contract.
- ImThatGuy

honor is a 2 way street

Yeah you're also implying Buffalo would agree to a poopty deal from NYR or Bos because Jack says so. Buffalo would FIRST have to agree to a trade anywhere before taking it to Eichel. That is a key you are just ignoring completely for the sake of DOOOM IS COMING.
- SDSabre

NO.

Its like when teams have modified NTC, they have to submit lsits by a certain point.

Buffalo will know in this case, where Jack is willing to go.

The Sabres had a better offer on the table for Hall.

Hall said no im not going there.

Buffalo didnt just say okay you can rot in buffalo for the rest of teh year, they took a lesser offer to HONOR THE CONTRACT.
- ImThatGuy

UFA. Wasn't going to re-sign. Huge, huge difference.

But they didn't HAVE to trade to him.

The Sabres had a better offer on the table for Hall.

Hall said no im not going there.

Buffalo didnt just say okay you can rot in buffalo for the rest of teh year, they took a lesser offer to HONOR THE CONTRACT.
- ImThatGuy

Yeah, because it was getting something (second rounder) or nothing (nothing). Huge difference in length of contract. They will eventually get something for Eichel, as I don't see this dragging on for 5 years (although could you imagine the spectacle for 5 years)

Eichel does have 100% control.

IF 29 teams offer great deals and he say no ill only go to tam 30. What power do the Sabres have?
- ImThatGuy

they have the power where Jack can either play with the Sabres, or play in the KHL or retire


if Jack really wanted out of Buffalo at all cost, he would have had the surgery

IMO he is stalling so he gets to go to "his" team next summer


it's a game of chicken and clearly Jack is losing by firing the old agent

honor is a 2 way street
- DirtyDan

All the CBA says is team has final say. It doesn't say the player has to agree with it or do what they say.

No he doesnt, that's the power.

Buffalo has to HONROR THE CONTRACCT, since that seems to be the prevailing theme.
- ImThatGuy

Whoa, hold on. Let's look at this from a logic perspective.

First, in no way shape or form is he being held hostage. The team wants him to have a surgery that he is unwilling to. He wants a different surgery they don't approve. Instead of following his contract that he agreed to, along with the CBA, he has chosen to take this public. File a grievance to settle it if need be. So no, he's not being held hostage. And, if he gets traded to another team, that team has to be willing to allow him to get the surgery he wants or we're right back at square one.

NMC - The Taylor Hall comparison is just a joke. Taylor Hall was going to be an FA at the end of the year. So the Sabres were on a clock at that time. Here they aren't. Once his NMC kicks in he has multiple years left on that contract. The NMC doesn't mean if you don't get the compensation you want that you have to accept it, it just means the player can say "No, not going there". Then the player has one of two choices, go somewhere else or remain with the Sabres for the duration of their term. If you're Taylor Hall and it's only a couple of months, fine you can handle that. If you're Jack Eichel that's the prime of your career and you may acquiesce. But, to be clear, in neither scenario laid out is the team not meeting the provisions of the contract they agreed to.

The only person, as of right now, in breach appears to be Eichel. And if he files a grievance to go to arbitration, it will settle the dispute.

Yes, I'd be ticked as well in his position, no doubt. But that's why the players in the next CBA better pay more attention to provisions that don't just offer money and days off.

We're here, because the rebuild group was given whatever they wanted. Don't like Bylsma? He's gone, on and on and on.

It's time to take the org back and it's going to be painful. It fails if KA caves and gives in.

NO.

Its like when teams have modified NTC, they have to submit lsits by a certain point.

Buffalo will know in this case, where Jack is willing to go.
- ImThatGuy

And they can still come back and say that team A isn't offering us fair value. Are you willing to listen to options? That can ABSOLUTELY happen.

All the CBA says is team has final say. It doesn't say the player has to agree with it or do what they say.
- ImThatGuy

Man you just proved my point

The Sabres had a better offer on the table for Hall.

Hall said no im not going there.

Buffalo didnt just say okay you can rot in buffalo for the rest of teh year, they took a lesser offer to HONOR THE CONTRACT.
- ImThatGuy

2 months or 5yrs

NO.

Its like when teams have modified NTC, they have to submit lsits by a certain point.

Buffalo will know in this case, where Jack is willing to go.
- ImThatGuy

Sure, but they can come to him and say the teams that are your preferred destination aren't offering enough for an elite talent such as yourself, but this other team he you haven't said no outright to has. Would you like to sit at home on LTIR as a member of the Sabres, or would you like to go to this team? Again, the Sabres have to agree FIRST and I emphasize that because it is 100% without argument true.

Again, I'm pretty sure he'd go anywhere. If he's willing to take it that far though, he's risking not playing for 2+ years in the prime of his career.
- Hank Balling

Exactly. That is why the no trade clause shouldn’t scare anyone

UFA. Wasn't going to re-sign. Huge, huge difference.

But they didn't HAVE to trade to him.
- Powerslave

And if they don't trade him, they're still honoring the contract.

It's not a we'll move you anywhere you want at any time for pennies on the dollar clause....

With Taylor Hall it was get what they did for an expiring deal, or get nothing.

Anyone who doesn't want to recognize the difference just doesn't want to.

All the CBA says is team has final say. It doesn't say the player has to agree with it or do what they say.
- ImThatGuy

So the team has final say (I wrote it as has to first agree) but somehow the player has 100% of the power. Do you not see how those two things cannot compute or go hand in hand?

Exactly. That is why the no trade clause shouldn’t scare anyone
- Sabretooth9

if Jack wanted out at all cost, he could have had the surgery already and skating and I am sure the sabres would then be shopping him

Exactly. That is why the no trade clause shouldn’t scare anyone
- Sabretooth9

if Jack wanted out at all cost, he could have had the surgery already and skating and I am sure the sabres would then be shopping him

2 months or 5yrs
- Buff36

sure stick it To Eichel.

GO and listen to what Marty Biron just said to start instigators.

Go ahead and piss off Jack Eichel and his agents.

His agent is now the most powerful one in the sport.

Good luck dealing with that agent when I don't know, you have to sign Owen power, or any other player.