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shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Sep 26 @ 12:13 PM ET
Rumors that I saw is that blackwood isn't vaccinated.

After his spell of Covid I am a little surprised

- dmarsden2988

I’m not, most people I’ve seen that got covid haven’t bothered to get vaccinated after. It’s a weird choice but maybe because it didn’t kill them, I’ve never bothered asking anyone why they didn’t because the choice is theirs and I really don’t care. But you would think every player would want to play every game, because they’ll miss the Canadian games. Maybe he hates Canada so much that’s his excuse to not go.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Sep 26 @ 4:46 PM ET
So if a 19 year old proves he's good enough for the NHL, then that would be the best place for him to develop then no?

- rmdevil313


Lol. Maybe. We’ve both seen 19 year old kids who have done. There are no absolutes. My opinion is they should be 20+ years old before hitting the NHL. But prospects grow and mature at different rates. Not to mention are of varying skills.

I just feel ideologically it’s best to be conservative with prospects while from a practical standpoint we all want to see them in the show as soon as possible.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Sep 27 @ 12:27 AM ET
Vesey and Jankowski looking decent so far..

Sharangovich-Hughes-Tatar
Johnsson-Hischier-Bratt
Wood-Zacha-Kuokkanen
Vesey-McLeod-Thompson
Jankowski

Can't say based off last year that I don't think we'd be better with Johnsson gone and Zacha in his place, with McLeod and Jankowski as the centers..
but we'll see.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Sep 27 @ 3:33 AM ET
I’m not, most people I’ve seen that got covid haven’t bothered to get vaccinated after. It’s a weird choice but maybe because it didn’t kill them, I’ve never bothered asking anyone why they didn’t because the choice is theirs and I really don’t care. But you would think every player would want to play every game, because they’ll miss the Canadian games. Maybe he hates Canada so much that’s his excuse to not go.
- shvingter88

If they had covid they have antibodies and have natural immunity now. It would be weird if they got the vaccine and it’s pretty ridiculous that people with antibodies and natural immunity are being mandated to get the vaccine. That’s about as anti science as you can get.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Sep 27 @ 7:51 AM ET
If they had covid they have antibodies and have natural immunity now. It would be weird if they got the vaccine and it’s pretty ridiculous that people with antibodies and natural immunity are being mandated to get the vaccine. That’s about as anti science as you can get.
- Cptmjl

Yeah they have antibodies for like 6 months so it would make sense to get it down the road. But it doesn’t hurt to get it either even if you still have antibodies from covid.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Sep 27 @ 9:34 AM ET
Per Corey Masisak on the unvaccinated player, "Its a prominent player on the New Jersey roster, not someone who is a prospect or ticketed for Utica." He continued, "Devils upper brass expected this player to be vaccinated before training camp started, but he changed his mind."
- vlongo4419


We don't have many "prominent" players, and that word sure is a stretch. Zacha was our points leader, and our Captain barely played last season. Were the Tendy's all on the ice? Are Blackwood and Bernier both on the ice?
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Sep 27 @ 11:17 AM ET
We don't have many "prominent" players, and that word sure is a stretch. Zacha was our points leader, and our Captain barely played last season. Were the Tendy's all on the ice? Are Blackwood and Bernier both on the ice?
- bikeguy99


It doesn't matter if they were on the ice or not, it's irrelevant. It's most likely Blackwood, who is certainly a prominent player for this team, and of course he was on the ice. Everybody on the camp roster has been on the ice.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Sep 27 @ 12:19 PM ET
Yeah they have antibodies for like 6 months so it would make sense to get it down the road. But it doesn’t hurt to get it either even if you still have antibodies from covid.
- shvingter88

Doesn’t hurt but doesn’t make any sense either.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Sep 27 @ 3:21 PM ET
All of this devil's news is very exciting
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Sep 27 @ 3:25 PM ET
All of this devil's news is very exciting
- dmarsden2988

Unfortunately nothing to talk about with training camp going on and a preseason game only a few days away. No reason to make a new blog.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Sep 27 @ 7:27 PM ET
It doesn't matter if they were on the ice or not, it's irrelevant. It's most likely Blackwood, who is certainly a prominent player for this team, and of course he was on the ice. Everybody on the camp roster has been on the ice.
- vlongo4419


Ok, but if someone is no longer touching the ice or entering the locker room, it feeds into the guessing game we have created. Hence why it does matter. Regardless, a guy could be out for a multitude of reasons, I was simply playing an elimination game, as we really don't have a ton to discuss at the moment. I also said Blackwood was probably the most prominent Dev. I don't believe anyone on our roster was more appreciated than him last season. Not sure who won the Dev's MVP last season, but I assume it was Blackwood.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Sep 28 @ 11:09 AM ET
Doesn’t hurt but doesn’t make any sense either.
- Cptmjl


I've read there are some distinct advantages to natural antibodies from people who have contracted and recovered from Covid. One being they are likely better at fending off variants. There also seems to be a few pluses for the vaccines like they deliver a better overall level of antibodies but that this is most effective against the original Covid strain. The science of it is very interesting but complex. I certainly do not understand it all.

Anyway, where I am going with this is that teams should acknowledge natural gained immunity. In our case the team knows which players had Covid last year; which is a majority of the team. Which is not to say vaccinations might not have some value after a given amount of time has passed. How long anyone stays immune seems unclear and does seem to differ depending on if it's from vaccination or from recovering from Covid. (The 6 month thing gets thrown around but there is more to it). There needs to be some reasonability and flexibility on this imo. I say that not from a pro or anti vaccination standpoint but because the science seems to support the reality of naturally gained immunity.

Also, I wouldn't say it makes no sense to get vaccinated if you have contracted Covid from what I read. But it does seem to be limited benefit. So if you have someone who has recovered from Covid not in favor of getting vaccinated it does not seem like this should be a real issues. If it is someone who has not had Covid and doesn't want to get vaccinated, I can see why the NHL would be intolerant.

So a few caveats but I think you make a real solid point that naturally gained immunity should count.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Sep 28 @ 12:09 PM ET
why would they support "naturally gained immunity" when every medical professional is telling everybody to get vaccinated regardless of if you've gotten covid before.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Sep 28 @ 1:07 PM ET
why would they support "naturally gained immunity" when every medical professional is telling everybody to get vaccinated regardless of if you've gotten covid before.
- Pomegrant


First off, medical professionals aren't doing the research. They're following the advice of the CDC. Which is fine, but it's not like they all came to the same conclusion. The CDC is telling people to get vaccinated regardless because there is a lack of information on natural immunity vs. vaccinations. In cases like chicken pox natural immunity is widely recognized (including by the CDC) as being superior to immunity from the vaccination. Of course most folks choose to get vaccinated vs. contracting chickenpox regardless because who wants that?

Secondly, the just get vaccinated regardless of if you had Covid mantra is more of a default position then based on some evident medical reason. There are studies showing there are some benefits to natural immunization over being vaccinated. So while I don't think anyone should choose getting Covid over a vaccine, if you already had Covid there is less incentive to get vaccinated. Sure, there might be no downside but many people clearly have concerns and hesitancy.

We have decades of research showing naturally gain immunity is a real thing and we have used it as the basis for formulating vaccines until now. The rDNA technology is newcomer here. So it's not just insanity that some people feel this way.

Personally, I agree with you because I have no issue with getting vaccinated and think everyone should. I gladly have not have Covid and had the Moderna vaccine. If I had Covid, I'd still get vaccinated based on CDC guidance. But that's my perspective. Lots of people have issues with getting vaccines and natural immunity from having had covid is absolutely a real thing. So the question is how heavy handed do you want these mandates?
cu45161
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.26.2016

Sep 28 @ 2:37 PM ET
Bye bye Nikita Popugayev, he was never good enough, just big.
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Sep 28 @ 2:53 PM ET
Not surprising, but it's now confirmed that Blackwood is the unvaxxed player.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Sep 28 @ 5:43 PM ET
why would they support "naturally gained immunity" when every medical professional is telling everybody to get vaccinated regardless of if you've gotten covid before.
- Pomegrant



Up here in Canada we are kind of fed up with the immunization BS. Don't get me wrong, vaccines work and I have gotten my 2 doses. Only issue is that we are nearly 85% double vaccinated in Canada and have lived with fairly strict guidelines for some time. We need to begin to consider what the worst case scenario is if we open things back up and let the remaining 15% get these natural antibodies in the hopes of "herd immunity". We were told that things would get back to normal once we hit 70% vaccinated, and that was nothing short of a lie. With all the variants I understand the concerns, but at what point do we finally say enough is enough and move on towards opening everything back up. Not sure what your vaccine % is in the US, but for those who refuse vaccines, they may just need to take the risk of contracting the virus and hoping their own antibodies do the trick.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Sep 28 @ 5:47 PM ET
Bye bye Nikita Popugayev, he was never good enough, just big.
- cu45161


I don't understand why he can't be an "influencer" while playing hockey. Seems to me that it would only of added to his online traffic, but oh well. My hopes weren't too high for the kid, but he certainly could have had a solid career in Europe. Hope this pans out for the guy.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Sep 28 @ 6:08 PM ET
First off, medical professionals aren't doing the research. They're following the advice of the CDC. Which is fine, but it's not like they all came to the same conclusion. The CDC is telling people to get vaccinated regardless because there is a lack of information on natural immunity vs. vaccinations. In cases like chicken pox natural immunity is widely recognized (including by the CDC) as being superior to immunity from the vaccination. Of course most folks choose to get vaccinated vs. contracting chickenpox regardless because who wants that?

Secondly, the just get vaccinated regardless of if you had Covid mantra is more of a default position then based on some evident medical reason. There are studies showing there are some benefits to natural immunization over being vaccinated. So while I don't think anyone should choose getting Covid over a vaccine, if you already had Covid there is less incentive to get vaccinated. Sure, there might be no downside but many people clearly have concerns and hesitancy.

We have decades of research showing naturally gain immunity is a real thing and we have used it as the basis for formulating vaccines until now. The rDNA technology is newcomer here. So it's not just insanity that some people feel this way.

Personally, I agree with you because I have no issue with getting vaccinated and think everyone should. I gladly have not have Covid and had the Moderna vaccine. If I had Covid, I'd still get vaccinated based on CDC guidance. But that's my perspective. Lots of people have issues with getting vaccines and natural immunity from having had covid is absolutely a real thing. So the question is how heavy handed do you want these mandates?

- Queenie_5_hole


I'm not a doctor and I don't pretend to know better than those who are experts. I'm humble enough to trust people to tell me what to do when I don't know the answers. The problem with the anti-vax people is that they think they know better and use some ridiculous reasoning of "freedom". Your rights as a person do not supersede other people's rights when your actions could hurt other people.

Blackwood is in a unique position in which he makes vastly more money than the average person and has access to the best medical professionals and facilities. It's insulting to the fans for him to go out there and say that it's about his "rights" when he is a person in such a privileged position. So, I'm just going to say it and (frank) this idiot. All of us responsible people have to deal with the burdens of these bumholes who don't care if they get us sick because they want their freedom to die.

If Blackwood can prove that he has a medical exemption in which it would be dangerous for him to get vaccinated, fine. But until then I'm not rooting for the guy, especially with how it affects our team's chances when he's not going to be able to play.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Sep 28 @ 6:15 PM ET
I'm not a doctor and I don't pretend to know better than those who are experts. I'm humble enough to trust people to tell me what to do when I don't know the answers. The problem with the anti-vax people is that they think they know better and use some ridiculous reasoning of "freedom". Your rights as a person do not supersede other people's rights when your actions could hurt other people.

Blackwood is in a unique position in which he makes vastly more money than the average person and has access to the best medical professionals and facilities. It's insulting to the fans for him to go out there and say that it's about his "rights" when he is a person in such a privileged position. So, I'm just going to say it and (frank) this idiot. All of us responsible people have to deal with the burdens of these bumholes who don't care if they get us sick because they want their freedom to die.

If Blackwood can prove that he has a medical exemption in which it would be dangerous for him to get vaccinated, fine. But until then I'm not rooting for the guy, especially with how it affects our team's chances when he's not going to be able to play.

- Pomegrant


Hundreds of thousands of people have died from the vax. More have horrible reactions. Stop watching CNN. If it was about your health, why isnt insulin free? Why would thousands of doctors and nurses around the world resign because of these vaxes? Why would people give up their jobs instead of getting this lethal shot?

Do you even know whats happening in Australia?
Have you seen the thousands EVERY weekend protest in France?

The CREATOR of the MRNA VACCINE SAYS STAY AWAY FROM IT.

COVID has a 99.98 recovery rate, so what is the need for a vax? Also, why did the CDC change the definition of vaccine from "having immunity" to "it wont be as bad as it could have been".

A vaccine is supposed to keep you from getting sick, so why are so many vaccinate getting sick? Look at Israel.

When was the last time you had a small case of the measles?

If you think "freedom" isnt an excuse, look at Australia.
You people are so (frank)in stupid and brainwashed its sickening.

For the first time in history, you vax wont work unless everyone has it??? Really?

I have a headache, you mind taking a tylenol so my tylenol works.
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Sep 28 @ 6:18 PM ET
Lines are unknown but according to Tom Gulitti our roster for tomorrow's preseason opener is:

Forwards: Holtz, Johnsson, Hischier, Jankowski, Vesey, Sharangovich, Mercer, Foote, Zetterlund, Studenic, Hughes, and Clarke

Defense: Smith, Severson, Siegenthaler, Okhotiuk, Jaros, and Bahl

Goalies: Bernier and Daws
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Sep 28 @ 6:38 PM ET
Hundreds of thousands of people have died from the vax. More have horrible reactions. Stop watching CNN. If it was about your health, why isnt insulin free? Why would thousands of doctors and nurses around the world resign because of these vaxes? Why would people give up their jobs instead of getting this lethal shot?

Do you even know whats happening in Australia?
Have you seen the thousands EVERY weekend protest in France?

The CREATOR of the MRNA VACCINE SAYS STAY AWAY FROM IT.

COVID has a 99.98 recovery rate, so what is the need for a vax? Also, why did the CDC change the definition of vaccine from "having immunity" to "it wont be as bad as it could have been".

A vaccine is supposed to keep you from getting sick, so why are so many vaccinate getting sick? Look at Israel.

When was the last time you had a small case of the measles?

If you think "freedom" isnt an excuse, look at Australia.
You people are so (frank)in stupid and brainwashed its sickening.

For the first time in history, you vax wont work unless everyone has it??? Really?

I have a headache, you mind taking a tylenol so my tylenol works.

- Leniwm1


Can you prove credible stats that hundreds of thousands have died from the vaccine? Like actual proof

Lethal shot? Really get a (frank)ing grip

You just sound like a complete idiot who can't back up any of your claims with facts or evidence
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Sep 28 @ 6:40 PM ET
Can you prove credible stats that hundreds of thousands have died from the vaccine? Like actual proof

Lethal shot? Really get a (frank)ing grip

You just sound like a complete idiot who can't back up any of your claims with facts or evidence

- dmarsden2988


DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, or do you just wait to be told what to think?
70,000 healthcare workers in NYC are about to be fired because they refuse the jab, if it was soooo good, wouldnt they be lining up for it?

By the way, if there was a lethal virus going around, why is our border wide open?

Ask your doctor how they know what the delta variant is from Covid, flu, common cold. They will tell you they never isolated the virus. Well if thats true, how do we know there is such a thing?

Speaking of BS, read about the PCR tests and how easy it is to manipulate results. You can literally test positive for any disease if you spin the sample enough times.

Logic is a thing, just like your immune system.

The same people telling you all the vaxxes are safe are the same people that said ivermectin will kill you. Well, India gave out Ivermectin and Covid is over. Japan stopped with the vax and went Ivermectin and COvid is over. Here in the states, no ivermectin and somehow the virus is everywhere?

But ya, keep trustng these people. And i wish all you jabbed luck this winter, you'll need it.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Sep 28 @ 6:59 PM ET
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, or do you just wait to be told what to think?
70,000 healthcare workers in NYC are about to be fired because they refuse the jab, if it was soooo good, wouldnt they be lining up for it?

- Leniwm1


That's the issue with all these antivaxxers, they all shout so the research, yet the research doesn't support their reasoning and then they try to change the subject and say it's this new thing blah blah

Have you asked them why they haven't got the vaccine? Is it because it was made political? That they don't want to be told they have to get it so are standing up against that? Or because they don't actually believe it is safe

In England, between 2 January and 2 July 2021, there were 51,281 deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19); 640 occurred in people who were fully vaccinated, which includes people who had been infected before they were vaccinated

https://www.ons.gov.uk/pe...tween2januaryand2july2021

https://covid-101.org/sci...m-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires vaccination providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). When these reports are received, doctors from CDC and FDA review death certificates, autopsies, and medical records to understand what happened with each person.

How many people have died after getting a vaccine?

Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.

After careful review of the additional data, doctors have decided that there is no evidence at all that the vaccines contributed to the other patient deaths. Nonetheless, the CDC and FDA will continue to investigate every single report of death (and other adverse events) reported to VAERS




So again please tell me the hundreds of thousands who have died from the vaccine, and please provide evidence and source
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Sep 28 @ 7:02 PM ET
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, or do you just wait to be told what to think?
70,000 healthcare workers in NYC are about to be fired because they refuse the jab, if it was soooo good, wouldnt they be lining up for it?

By the way, if there was a lethal virus going around, why is our border wide open?

Ask your doctor how they know what the delta variant is from Covid, flu, common cold. They will tell you they never isolated the virus. Well if thats true, how do we know there is such a thing?

Speaking of BS, read about the PCR tests and how easy it is to manipulate results. You can literally test positive for any disease if you spin the sample enough times.

Logic is a thing, just like your immune system.

The same people telling you all the vaxxes are safe are the same people that said ivermectin will kill you. Well, India gave out Ivermectin and Covid is over. Japan stopped with the vax and went Ivermectin and COvid is over. Here in the states, no ivermectin and somehow the virus is everywhere?

But ya, keep trustng these people. And i wish all you jabbed luck this winter, you'll need it.

- Leniwm1


I hear if you drink bleach you will be cured too
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