I think he meant you are banged up enough to miss a few games, but not injured to the extent that you would miss 10 games/24 days and qualify to go on LTIR.
- Leafs43

Or maybe, and stay with me for a second, Holl is so valuable at such a low cap hit that an injury produces a big hole in the lineup with no appreciable LTIR benefit.

Or maybe, and stay with me for a second, Holl is so valuable at such a low cap hit that an injury produces a big hole in the lineup with no appreciable LTIR benefit.
- Canada Cup

Yep, thats it

Or maybe, and stay with me for a second, Holl is so valuable at such a low cap hit that an injury produces a big hole in the lineup with no appreciable LTIR benefit.
- Canada Cup

Speaking of superspreading

This is pretty much exactly my lineup. WTF is wrong with you?

What does it mean to be not LTIR eligible?
- Canada Cup

Sorry, that's not explained completely. It wasn't specific to Holl - I was picking him at random because D-Men are the most likely to just get banged up but not actually injured. The point is that if you're not going to miss 10 games or 24 days (I could be off here, but this is how I remember it) then you can be LTIR eligible. But otherwise there's no cap relief, which means that we wouldn't be able to call up a replacement player without going over the cap.

I think he meant you are banged up enough to miss a few games, but not injured to the extent that you would miss 10 games/24 days and qualify to go on LTIR.
- Leafs43

Yeah. ^^ That.

Thank you.

Or maybe, and stay with me for a second, Holl is so valuable at such a low cap hit that an injury produces a big hole in the lineup with no appreciable LTIR benefit.
- Canada Cup

I have a really hard time trying to follow conversations with you.

I can't "stay with you" because I have no idea how this response relates to my post or the one we were discussing.

Sorry, that's not explained completely. It wasn't specific to Holl - I was picking him at random because D-Men are the most likely to just get banged up but not actually injured. The point is that if you're not going to miss 10 games or 24 days (I could be off here, but this is how I remember it) then you can be LTIR eligible. But otherwise there's no cap relief, which means that we wouldn't be able to call up a replacement player without going over the cap.
- Monkeypunk

Holl is easily replaceable though, just have to send someone down who is waiver exempt.

Sorry, that's not explained completely. It wasn't specific to Holl - I was picking him at random because D-Men are the most likely to just get banged up but not actually injured. The point is that if you're not going to miss 10 games or 24 days (I could be off here, but this is how I remember it) then you can be LTIR eligible. But otherwise there's no cap relief, which means that we wouldn't be able to call up a replacement player without going over the cap.
- Monkeypunk

Leafs will just have to hope no one gets injured during the regular season and playoffs..

Definitely, will have some tough roster decisions to make soon..
Still have Gusev that could contend for a roster spot.

It should make for an interesting camp
- PatC80

They have these contracts already signed. Anyone on PTO is going to have to come in and kick the living crap out of Keefe's and Dubas' expectations I would imagine. If Gusev can be the guy from the KHL or even the guy from the first season in Jersey, he might give you room to trade Kerfoot - especially if he signs for less than $1m. That $2.5m is all the flexibility you'd need. Alternatively, if Kase gets hurt during camp, you can sign him to be your Kase replacement, I suppose.

Holl is easily replaceable though, just have to send someone down who is waiver exempt.
- bobbyisno1

You're missing the bouncing ball on this one . . .

The only player they have who is waiver exempt is Sandin who is a defenseman.

If any defenseman who is not Sandin gets hurt, but not enough to be placed on LTIR, we won't have the cap space to bring up another defenseman (i.e., Liljegren) to replace the injured player. We would have to waive a forward in order to make room. In order to make room for Liljegren with the $80k in capspace we have available, we would need to waive someone like Bunting, Engvall, Simmonds or Kase.

Spezza doesn't make enough to get Liljegren on the team were he waived.

You're missing the bouncing ball on this one . . .

The only player they have who is waiver exempt is Sandin who is a defenseman.

If any defenseman who is not Sandin gets hurt, but not enough to be placed on LTIR, we won't have the cap space to bring up another defenseman (i.e., Liljegren) to replace the injured player. We would have to waive a forward in order to make room. In order to make room for Liljegren with the $80k in capspace we have available, we would need to waive someone like Bunting, Engvall, Simmonds or Kase.

Spezza doesn't make enough to get Liljegren on the team were he waived.
- Monkeypunk

They could waive Mikheyev, since you know, he asked for a trade

I have a really hard time trying to follow conversations with you.

I can't "stay with you" because I have no idea how this response relates to my post or the one we were discussing.
- Leafs43

I hadn’t heard the term LTIR exempt. You gave an explanation. I gave a joking one. They both relate. I’m sorry you’re bothered, again.

You're missing the bouncing ball on this one . . .

The only player they have who is waiver exempt is Sandin who is a defenseman.

If any defenseman who is not Sandin gets hurt, but not enough to be placed on LTIR, we won't have the cap space to bring up another defenseman (i.e., Liljegren) to replace the injured player. We would have to waive a forward in order to make room. In order to make room for Liljegren with the $80k in capspace we have available, we would need to waive someone like Bunting, Engvall, Simmonds or Kase.

Spezza doesn't make enough to get Liljegren on the team were he waived.
- Monkeypunk

I think Robertson is waiver exempt, also who cares if Engvall or Mickey goes on waivers.
They also don't have to start with a full roster and have three guys in the press box.

You're missing the bouncing ball on this one . . .

The only player they have who is waiver exempt is Sandin who is a defenseman.

If any defenseman who is not Sandin gets hurt, but not enough to be placed on LTIR, we won't have the cap space to bring up another defenseman (i.e., Liljegren) to replace the injured player. We would have to waive a forward in order to make room. In order to make room for Liljegren with the $80k in capspace we have available, we would need to waive someone like Bunting, Engvall, Simmonds or Kase.

Spezza doesn't make enough to get Liljegren on the team were he waived.
- Monkeypunk

I think we see a trade. Too many bodies around right now competing for a spot or two that they might move out to provide some space

I hadn’t heard the term LTIR exempt. You gave an explanation. I gave a joking one. They both relate. I’m sorry you’re bothered, again.
- Canada Cup

Gotcha.

I'm not really bothered. I just don't get most of your jokes and therefore struggle to follow the conversation. All good.

I think we see a trade. Too many bodies around right now competing for a spot or two that they might move out to provide some space
- Canada Cup

A Mikheyev, Kerfoot, Engvall, or Dermott trade would be my guess

Anyone read this from Elliott Friendmans 32 thoughts?

12. Sportsnet deserter Sid Seixeiro tweeted he was spellbound by Amazon’s All or Nothing series on the Maple Leafs, due Oct. 1. I’ve also heard great things. There were also some battles on what could and couldn’t stay in. The agent, Lewis Gross, would not discuss it, but William Nylander’s representatives were unhappy with how he was portrayed at certain points and fought to have those removed.

I wonder how they would portray that unless they are editing things in or out.

They could waive Mikheyev, since you know, he asked for a trade
- PatC80

I believe you're being glib here . . .but I honestly think they have plans for Mikheyev.

I mean if you look at how he played, he was a great penalty killer with no luck in his finish. There's a good article on PPP about it where they basically point out that his shooting percentage his dragged down by his penalty killing where some of those shots were just smart dump shots to force a faceoff deep in the zone. It might count as 0% in the shooting percentage box, but it counts a lot towards good game management. He did also have a bunch of breakaways and didn't score. Strictly based on HDCF, I'm going to say it was 6. He had 19 shots and 0 goals while Penalty Killing. The PPP article felt that he just needs to score on a couple of those this season to sort of change everything in his confidence level.

At even strength he was still the second worst shooter of any forward who managed to score a goal (so he was above Simmonds and then the no-goalers: Foligno, Robertson, Barabanov and Petan), but he also outproduced Thornton, Kerfoot and Simmonds on a Goals / 60 basis. For a guy who is an above average PK player, I'd be telling him we're not trading him either. You'd never get fair return on value compared to the value you'd get from him.

Trade Dubas
- RickJames77

No offense, but Gawd, those yellow uniforms suck.

Trade Dubas
- RickJames77

If only...

No offense, but Gawd, those yellow uniforms suck.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yup, and we wouldn't even start on Marchand.

I think Robertson is waiver exempt, also who cares if Engvall or Mickey goes on waivers.
They also don't have to start with a full roster and have three guys in the press box.
- bobbyisno1

The roster I cited was $80k below the salary cap and had 13F, 6D, and 2G and it didn't include Nick Robertson. In other words they are already slim. Now that roster I cited is simply based on who you would objectively keep barring a trade because you don't want to lose anyone to waivers. Anyone else - Engvall, Mikheyev, Bunting, Kase, Kampf - they would all very likely be claimed.

If they traded Engvall, Mikheyev or Kerfoot, then Robertson could slot in - if he was ready - and he would be waiver exempt which would give us that freedom. It would suck for him, but it is what it is. In fact if they traded Kerfoot we would have the cap freedom we'd need, but we'd lose a fairly decent player.

Gotcha.

I'm not really bothered. I just don't get most of your jokes and therefore struggle to follow the conversation. All good.
- Leafs43

I go for volume not a high %. Plus, I’m just about the only one who thinks Holl is useful for the $, so….

I believe you're being glib here . . .but I honestly think they have plans for Mikheyev.

I mean if you look at how he played, he was a great penalty killer with no luck in his finish. There's a good article on PPP about it where they basically point out that his shooting percentage his dragged down by his penalty killing where some of those shots were just smart dump shots to force a faceoff deep in the zone. It might count as 0% in the shooting percentage box, but it counts a lot towards good game management. He did also have a bunch of breakaways and didn't score. Strictly based on HDCF, I'm going to say it was 6. He had 19 shots and 0 goals while Penalty Killing. The PPP article felt that he just needs to score on a couple of those this season to sort of change everything in his confidence level.

At even strength he was still the second worst shooter of any forward who managed to score a goal (so he was above Simmonds and then the no-goalers: Foligno, Robertson, Barabanov and Petan), but he also outproduced Thornton, Kerfoot and Simmonds on a Goals / 60 basis. For a guy who is an above average PK player, I'd be telling him we're not trading him either. You'd never get fair return on value compared to the value you'd get from him.
- Monkeypunk

LOLOL Holy Crap, never thought I would see Matt Lauer on here...



Glib... LOL

I think we see a trade. Too many bodies around right now competing for a spot or two that they might move out to provide some space
- Canada Cup

I think the ideal situation is to have someone like a Gusev or Kase or Bunting come into camp and really impress. Personally I really like what both Engvall and Mikheyev bring - especially on the PK - but I also recognize that Kerfoot would be sold at a loss right now. He has more value than he's perceived to have. But if we had an option where one of those aforementioned 3 really come in and excel, then it opens up a lot of room for us to move on from one of them.

For all we know we've got Vesey v2.0 in Bunting or Kase is no longer capable of playing hard. That could also be a factor, but usually the recipients of the new contracts get more leniency.