re: the PP drop pass

https://twitter.com/MikeK.../1441041996437614597?s=20

good bit here, i see a lot complain about the Leafs drop pass PP...which I never got.
it works..and most teams do it.
- senstroll

I've never cared either way.
Most teams do it only about 20% of the time. of that 20% they have 62% success rate. 59% success rate when not using it.
Meh.

I guess. But I don't see it as cheating.

It is in the CBA. You can replace an injured player during the regular season. That's what Tampa did. The cap doesn't apply to the playoffs.
- Leafs43

Umm cause he was skating for six weeks with the team and practicing, boom playoffs start and him and Stamkos are magically delicious.

As an amateur medical hobbyist, my understanding is that the disc fusion carries a risk of future degeneration of the adjacent discs, and the artificial disc is theoretically supposed to reduce risk of future adjacent disc degeneration, but there's little to no long term medical evidence to suggest it's true.

Sabres are likely just asking for the tried and true method which has a predictable outcome and recovery time.
- TheMussel

It sounded to me like fusion has more severe long-term risks associated, including prolonged pain and discomfort whereas the artificial disk procedure would - theoretically - provide a great chance of normalcy after his hockey career ends. In terms of the risks - the disk replacement has never been performed on a hockey player before, but if I recall other athletes in contact sports (there was an NFL player, I think and Chris Weidman in the UFC) have had this process successfully.

It sounded to me like fusion has more severe long-term risks associated, including prolonged pain and discomfort whereas the artificial disk procedure would - theoretically - provide a great chance of normalcy after his hockey career ends. In terms of the risks - the disk replacement has never been performed on a hockey player before, but if I recall other athletes in contact sports (there was an NFL player, I think and Chris Weidman in the UFC) have had this process successfully.
- Monkeypunk

So the sabres are screwed either way.
It all works out.

I've never cared either way.
Most teams do it only about 20% of the time. of that 20% they have 62% success rate. 59% success rate when not using it.
Meh.
- Fakepartofme

IT

WORKS

Sometimes.

It sounded to me like fusion has more severe long-term risks associated, including prolonged pain and discomfort whereas the artificial disk procedure would - theoretically - provide a great chance of normalcy after his hockey career ends. In terms of the risks - the disk replacement has never been performed on a hockey player before, but if I recall other athletes in contact sports (there was an NFL player, I think and Chris Weidman in the UFC) have had this process successfully.
- Monkeypunk

have to think more and more players would want the artificial replacement surgery if there is a benefit to their long term health

Whoever is number 20 in white doesn’t look like he worked out much this summer.

https://twitter.com/jonas.../1441045600967946247?s=21
- bryant

That's Nick Ritchie, isn't it?

That's Nick Ritchie, isn't it?
- Monkeypunk

Umm cause he was skating for six weeks with the team and practicing, boom playoffs start and him and Stamkos are magically delicious.
- bobbyisno1

Well I have already addressed this issue...Tampa had literally no course of action.

Once the TDL passed - they were stuck. They have absolutely no avenue to be cap compliant after the TDL.

The LTIR system is broken in the sense that it is supposed to allow you to replace your injured player, but doesn't give you an avenue to be cap compliant if that injured player returns sooner than expected.

I've never cared either way.
Most teams do it only about 20% of the time. of that 20% they have 62% success rate. 59% success rate when not using it.
Meh.
- Fakepartofme

Zone Entry has a lot to do with the type of team you have, too. Strong teams can dump and chase and forecheck the puck away and gain possession through using their odd-man advantage and their board play. Softer teams need to use speed or quick puck movement.

The point of the drop back is to get the puck to a player moving with speed and cutting over the blue line - as the player crosses the blue line, it forces some of the PK team to retreat in case the player gets by them, the point wingers enter adjacent on the boards and accept a pass from the entering player. Once you've established your zone presence, support needs to be provided to the player who has possession of the puck.

The reason the drop-back didn't work for the Leafs - in my opinion - was that they frequently failed to gain positions of support along the blue line to give the puck carrier someone to hand the puck to, and then subsequently failed to support the puck possessor in giving them options to move the puck.

In other words I think they used the drop back optically - but they never gained the speed through the neutral zone, nor did they enter the zone quickly enough nor did they get in position to offer support quickly enough.

Obviously McDavid is an incredible player, but with his speed the drop-back works beautifully - but teams can still swarm him if his wingers aren't supporting him and giving him options.

Well I have already addressed this issue...Tampa had literally no course of action.

Once the TDL passed - they were stuck. They have absolutely no avenue to be cap compliant after the TDL.

The LTIR system is broken in the sense that it is supposed to allow you to replace your injured player, but doesn't give you an avenue to be cap compliant if that injured player returns sooner than expected.
- Leafs43

I saw that, but should Tampa have been allowed to keep them out of the lineup?
It was a farce at best. But I approve anything that keeps Montreal from winning the cup again.

IT

WORKS

Sometimes.
- Scabeh

Exactly.

Unless its the playoffs...then its only a couple of times

- PatC80

I'm serious. Ritchie is #20.

Zone Entry has a lot to do with the type of team you have, too. Strong teams can dump and chase and forecheck the puck away and gain possession through using their odd-man advantage and their board play. Softer teams need to use speed or quick puck movement.

The point of the drop back is to get the puck to a player moving with speed and cutting over the blue line - as the player crosses the blue line, it forces some of the PK team to retreat in case the player gets by them, the point wingers enter adjacent on the boards and accept a pass from the entering player. Once you've established your zone presence, support needs to be provided to the player who has possession of the puck.

The reason the drop-back didn't work for the Leafs - in my opinion - was that they frequently failed to gain positions of support along the blue line to give the puck carrier someone to hand the puck to, and then subsequently failed to support the puck possessor in giving them options to move the puck.

In other words I think they used the drop back optically - but they never gained the speed through the neutral zone, nor did they enter the zone quickly enough nor did they get in position to offer support quickly enough.

Obviously McDavid is an incredible player, but with his speed the drop-back works beautifully - but teams can still swarm him if his wingers aren't supporting him and giving him options.
- Monkeypunk

I believe it didn't work because they only had one shooter after JT went down.

I'm serious. Ritchie is #20.
- Monkeypunk

I saw that, but should Tampa have been allowed to keep them out of the lineup?
It was a farce at best. But I approve anything that keeps Montreal from winning the cup again.
- bobbyisno1

Well the league could have stepped in and said - "Kucherov is healthy, he therefore needs to be added to the roster" (Of course, now they are in a battle with team Drs who say Kucherov is unfit to play)

But that would just result in TB having no avenue to be cap compliant. None, no shot.

So now the league is embarrassed, because their LTIR system is stupid and doesn't accomplish what it is supposed to. And they have to try to come up with a solution to this TB cap problem. Does TB forfeit all remaining games? Does the league make up some form of punishment? (I don't actually know the punishment for not being cap compliant is)

It would have been a poop show - so the league looked the other way.

My entire point is - this is the league's fault for creating a moronic LTIR system.

I'm serious. Ritchie is #20.
- Monkeypunk

so then that means going at full speed, Ritchie is as fast as Joe Thornton

I'm serious. Ritchie is #20.
- Monkeypunk

isn't he 21?

nm he's 20

I believe it didn't work because they only had one shooter after JT went down.
- bobbyisno1

The Power play was also a disaster because they failed to enter the zone and gain possession in the opposition zone at an alarming rate. Most of the zone time was after winning a face off - and then you're right: they had one shooter, two passers, and too many perimeter guys. JT was positioned high slot and was rarely useful there because there no shots coming from the point to tip anyway.

IT

WORKS

Sometimes.
- Scabeh

if I was the PP coach, I would just tell them to do the thing that works 100% of the time

so then that means going at full speed, Ritchie is as fast as Joe Thornton
- PatC80

I don't know. Matthews didn't look too fast on that rush drill either. Ritchie has supposedly been working on his skating and his speed. I won't draw conclusions from that YET - but he's a 6'2 230lb guy. He's not apt to ever be that fast.

if I was the PP coach, I would just tell them to do the thing that works 100% of the time
- senstroll

Right?

Stupid nhl coaches who won't listen to reason.

Whoever is number 20 in white doesn’t look like he worked out much this summer.

https://twitter.com/jonas.../1441045600967946247?s=21
- bryant

Hyman looks slow af

if I was the PP coach, I would just tell them to do the thing that works 100% of the time
- senstroll

Score. It's called "score". 100% of all Power Plays that end in scoring are successful.

IT

WORKS

Sometimes.
- Scabeh

50% of the time it works half the time...