Coming in for a team to start the playoffs, 11 mill over the cap... Hummmm


Could never happen.. NHL would never allow a team to come into the playoffs, 11 mill over the cap....
- bixll

you're right.. It has to be a minimum of $18M over the cap to be allowed

Buffalo isn't gonna win this if Eichel is still being paid.

They just need to let him get the surgery he wants. Hope it works out, and that he is good to go.

Maybe he is healthy by TDL if they let him get the surgery now? Not sure how many takers there would be, but I'm pretty sure Eichel will just sit at home and collect his $$$ if he doesn't get his way.
- Leafs43

I wonder what other teams think of that surgery he's asking for.

Are Buffalo alone on their island for saying no? Would most team say no?

Does that impact how many teams are interested?

Lots of unknown here.

I simply cannot imagine him playing for Buffalo again.

So yes, a trade is "imminent" but it's been "imminent" for 4 months now.


What a mess.
- Scabeh

it is a huge mess.. I think Eichel deserves to be treated better than that..

you're right.. It has to be a minimum of $18M over the cap to be allowed
- PatC80

The NHL should just give the cup the the other finalist if a team wins with that much money over the cap.

Right?!?

Haha yeah, no way.

That'd be crazy.

Haha

hoho

hehe






(frank).

- Scabeh

Maybe 18 mill, but never 11...

you're right.. It has to be a minimum of $18M over the cap to be allowed
- PatC80

Coming in for a team to start the playoffs, 11 mill over the cap... Hummmm


Could never happen.. NHL would never allow a team to come into the playoffs, 11 mill over the cap....
- bixll

The tune in here would change so quick if it was the Leafs trading for Eichel at the TDL to put him on LTIR until the playoffs.

It suddenly wouldn't be "cheating" anymore.

I wonder what other teams think of that surgery he's asking for.

Are Buffalo alone on their island for saying no? Would most team say no?

Does that impact how many teams are interested?

Lots of unknown here.
- Scabeh

Isn't it a case of his doctors or the teams doctors?

I thought there was more to it then just getting the surgery

The NHL should just give the cup the the other finalist if a team wins with that much money over the cap.

Right?!?
- Scabeh

The tune in here would change so quick if it was the Leafs trading for Eichel at the TDL to put him on LTIR until the playoffs.

It suddenly wouldn't be "cheating" anymore.
- Leafs43

No, it would still be cheating, but we would be ok with it. I did tip my cap to the Lightning for figuring it out..

Buffalo isn't gonna win this if Eichel is still being paid.

They just need to let him get the surgery he wants. Hope it works out, and that he is good to go.

Maybe he is healthy by TDL if they let him get the surgery now? Not sure how many takers there would be, but I'm pretty sure Eichel will just sit at home and collect his $$$ if he doesn't get his way.
- Leafs43

he's being paid as he's on the LTIR.
he did show up for the first day so the team did not have to suspend him and not have to pay him if he didn't show up.

the insurance on his contract will kick in and I think 80% of his this year's salary is paid by the insurance

Isn't it a case of his doctors or the teams doctors?

I thought there was more to it then just getting the surgery
- PatC80

Well the overall losing environement in Buffalo probably doesn't help.

But it would be weird to have Buffalo's doctors being so adament on him not getting the surgery he wants and them being the only team's doctor to think that way no?

- bixll

Just throwing ideas out there.

Just throwing ideas out there.
- Scabeh

I wonder what other teams think of that surgery he's asking for.

Are Buffalo alone on their island for saying no? Would most team say no?

Does that impact how many teams are interested?

Lots of unknown here.
- Scabeh

At this point I don't know why they don't seek an independent medical arbitrator. Eichel has received a medical opinion that he and his team believe is viable and the Sabres' doctors do not. They have countered with a procedure that they feel is viable and Eichel's team does not.

I can't recall what all they wanted for Eichel, but it was something stupid - like 2 1sts, a top prospect and an NHL-ready player who fits in with their rebuild. Who's trading that for a guy that - possibly - might never play again? The Sabres have to resolve the medical situation with Eichel before they can move him.

The only way past this impasse, I would think, is to get a completely independent arbitrator mutually selected to come in and look into both and make the decision and give the reasons. Leave Bettman and the PA and all the other biased cronies out of it.

he's being paid as he's on the LTIR.
he did show up for the first day so the team did not have to suspend him and not have to pay him if he didn't show up.

the insurance on his contract will kick in and I think 80% of his this year's salary is paid by the insurance
- dmnted

Gotcha - I just didn't know if there were rules saying that you can't deny treatment the team doctors are suggesting. I believe that is what Eichel is doing, Team doctors want to go one way, his doctors want to go another.

Well the overall losing environement in Buffalo probably doesn't help.

But it would be weird to have Buffalo's doctors being so adament on him not getting the surgery he wants and them being the only team's doctor to think that way no?
- Scabeh

I get that, and you are probably right. I just have a hard time understanding why the Sabres team doctors are so adamant about it.. It's not like his doctor is Nick Riviera

The tune in here would change so quick if it was the Leafs trading for Eichel at the TDL to put him on LTIR until the playoffs.

It suddenly wouldn't be "cheating" anymore.
- Leafs43

Doubt it. But Eichel is $10 million for 5 more years including this year and his health is an issue. Not a realistic possibility. Cheating is cheating whether its the Leafs or some other team. Leafs have a history of circumventing the cap. Lou invented Robidas Island, other teams such as Tampa and Chicago are much better at cheating. What does piss me off though is Tampa lost money last year and will be the first in line at the gravy train for handouts to pay for their spending over the cap by teams that make a profit.

At this point I don't know why they don't seek an independent medical arbitrator. Eichel has received a medical opinion that he and his team believe is viable and the Sabres' doctors do not. They have countered with a procedure that they feel is viable and Eichel's team does not.

I can't recall what all they wanted for Eichel, but it was something stupid - like 2 1sts, a top prospect and an NHL-ready player who fits in with their rebuild. Who's trading that for a guy that - possibly - might never play again? The Sabres have to resolve the medical situation with Eichel before they can move him.

The only way past this impasse, I would think, is to get a completely independent arbitrator mutually selected to come in and look into both and make the decision and give the reasons. Leave Bettman and the PA and all the other biased cronies out of it.
- Monkeypunk

Completely agree.

It's almost insane to think they haven't decided to go with what you're suggesting already.

Eichel would probably be healthy and good to go and his value would be considerably higher.

Buffalo isn't gonna win this if Eichel is still being paid.

They just need to let him get the surgery he wants. Hope it works out, and that he is good to go.

Maybe he is healthy by TDL if they let him get the surgery now? Not sure how many takers there would be, but I'm pretty sure Eichel will just sit at home and collect his $$$ if he doesn't get his way.
- Leafs43

I have a friend who was saying he felt no sympathy for Eichel. He got his money, blah, blah, blah.

I may not like Eichel because he's not on my team and he looks like he carries roofies in his jorts, but imagine dedicating your life to being a great hockey player and achieving it - you're one of the top-25 players in the NHL and you can't play because you need a medical procedure and the team you play for won't let you have it? He's just 24 years old. He's losing prime years in his hockey career.

Don't get me wrong, the money is obviously fine - but a player as dedicated as he is wants nothing more than to play hockey.

I have a friend who was saying he felt no sympathy for Eichel. He got his money, blah, blah, blah.

I may not like Eichel because he's not on my team and he looks like he carries roofies in his jorts, but imagine dedicating your life to being a great hockey player and achieving it - you're one of the top-25 players in the NHL and you can't play because you need a medical procedure and the team you play for won't let you have it? He's just 24 years old. He's losing prime years in his hockey career.

Don't get me wrong, the money is obviously fine - but a player as dedicated as he is wants nothing more than to play hockey.
- Monkeypunk

Anywhere but Buffalo......

I have a friend who was saying he felt no sympathy for Eichel. He got his money, blah, blah, blah.

I may not like Eichel because he's not on my team and he looks like he carries roofies in his jorts, but imagine dedicating your life to being a great hockey player and achieving it - you're one of the top-25 players in the NHL and you can't play because you need a medical procedure and the team you play for won't let you have it? He's just 24 years old. He's losing prime years in his hockey career.

Don't get me wrong, the money is obviously fine - but a player as dedicated as he is wants nothing more than to play hockey.
- Monkeypunk

My point is there would be a lot more pressure on Eichel to fold if he wasn't being paid.

The paycheque basically puts the pressure on the Sabres. Yes, Eichel is losing prime playing years. But the Sabres are watching their most valuable asset deteriorate before their eyes.

The stupid thing is - Eichel probably could have had the Sabre surgery, rehabbed, got hurt again, and had his surgery by now if they would have just come to an agreement when he first got hurt.

The tune in here would change so quick if it was the Leafs trading for Eichel at the TDL to put him on LTIR until the playoffs.

It suddenly wouldn't be "cheating" anymore.
- Leafs43

Exactly.
What tampa what brilliant and it worked.

No one in here would care if it was the leafs that had done that and won the cup.

Well the overall losing environement in Buffalo probably doesn't help.

But it would be weird to have Buffalo's doctors being so adament on him not getting the surgery he wants and them being the only team's doctor to think that way no?
- Scabeh

Nothing new in Buffalo, their ownership and team management is an utter joke. Give Skinner a $9M x 8 deal and he craps the bed, give Kyle Okposo $6M x 7 and he craps the bed. Get Eichel at a pretty good number and treat him like a dog. I wonder why Eichel (and any decent player) would want out of this franchise ASAP?

Doubt it. But Eichel is $10 million for 5 more years including this year and his health is an issue. Not a realistic possibility. Cheating is cheating whether its the Leafs or some other team. Leafs have a history of circumventing the cap. Lou invented Robidas Island, other teams such as Tampa and Chicago are much better at cheating. What does piss me off though is Tampa lost money last year and will be the first in line at the gravy train for handouts to pay for their spending over the cap by teams that make a profit.
- winsix

Its not cheating if the NHL allows it. They were within the rules.
Good on them.
You wouldnt care if the leafs did the same and won the cup. You wouldnt care at all.