This is a hockey blog but politics invades everything nowadays. I am vaccinated. I will not be getting any booster shots. Two people close to me who were vaccinated developed blood clots and had strokes with no previous symptoms. One of them died. Cancel culture prevents any of this information from being disseminated. All we have is what media and its censors allow you to hear.

There are two sides to almost everything and too often we are only allowed to hear one.
- Barbecued Hockey

thank you for sharing this

Um, what?

It's sure would be nice if people like you would do some research instead of just blindly parroting whichever loon is shouting loudest this week.

I feel bad for you. Educate yourself, friend.
- Squeaky

It looks to me like he has researched, instead of letting main stream media decide what you should believe.
I'm the type of person who will watch an 8 hr FDA booster approval meeting. I saw how Israel only provided certain statistics that didn't even answer questions about how safe it was and if someone asked a question off script they didn't know what to do, they would stammer turn red and say we have to get back to you on that.
Then during the open mic session more than half the drs speaking were against the vax, and boosters and had tons of power point stats as to why. They showed the VEARS numbers of over 500,000 injuries and 7500 deaths reported to a system that only 1% of instances gets reported. They showed how Isreal had an increase in cases and deaths that coincide perfectly with the booster rollout. How the delta variant had popped up just after the vaccines had been started, insinuating the vax created the delta. They showed how India has only 10% vaxed population and only have 30 cases a day per million compared to almost fully vaxed Isreal with 888 cases per day per million. The drs pushing the booster had no stats, because if they used them it would ruin their argument for it.
Then you have videos out there like Anthony Hopkins supposedly getting vaxed but you clearly see the nurse point the syringe out the door and squirt the contents out after pretending to give it to him. Telling him all done, I'll give you your papers in a few minutes. Just look it up on bichute, and see for yourself..
With how it looks in Isreal, it's going to be hilarious when these fully vaxed arenas wind up spreading this poop like wild fire, of course their fallback will be to blame some unvaxed bloke who provided a negative test instead, even if there is not one in the building. Don't use Google to research either there algorithm buries or hides the real facts that these drs provided, use duckduckgo, there algorithm is a little better at giving all info out there...

I can provide pictures of said stats, as I screen shot a bunch of them, but have no idea how to do so here..

It looks to me like he has researched, instead of letting main stream media decide what you should believe.
I'm the type of person who will watch an 8 hr FDA booster approval meeting. I saw how Israel only provided certain statistics that didn't even answer questions about how safe it was and if someone asked a question off script they didn't know what to do, they would stammer turn red and say we have to get back to you on that.
Then during the open mic session more than half the drs speaking were against the vax, and boosters and had tons of power point stats as to why. They showed the VEARS numbers of over 500,000 injuries and 7500 deaths reported to a system that only 1% of instances gets reported. They showed how Isreal had an increase in cases and deaths that coincide perfectly with the booster rollout. How the delta variant had popped up just after the vaccines had been started, insinuating the vax created the delta. They showed how India has only 10% vaxed population and only have 30 cases a day per million compared to almost fully vaxed Isreal with 888 cases per day per million. The drs pushing the booster had no stats, because if they used them it would ruin their argument for it.
Then you have videos out there like Anthony Hopkins supposedly getting vaxed but you clearly see the nurse point the syringe out the door and squirt the contents out after pretending to give it to him. Telling him all done, I'll give you your papers in a few minutes. Just look it up on bichute, and see for yourself..
With how it looks in Isreal, it's going to be hilarious when these fully vaxed arenas wind up spreading this poop like wild fire, of course their fallback will be to blame some unvaxed bloke who provided a negative test instead, even if there is not one in the building. Don't use Google to research either there algorithm buries or hides the real facts that these drs provided, use duckduckgo, there algorithm is a little better at giving all info out there...

I can provide pictures of said stats, as I screen shot a bunch of them, but have no idea how to do so here..
- Nomad2112

Thank you for posting this

I mean, the typical vaccine takes 3 or 4 years to get to a state that it's used en masse. This was a fraction of that. So yeah, it was definitely rushed (for good reason). There was a race between companies and countries to produce a vaccine, so yeah, it was definitely politics and profit. So all that is true.

But, being rushed to production does not mean it didn't go through the same testing, and pass all the same clinical trials, which it did. Fact is, science and technology moves much faster than it did 10, 20, 30 years ago, by orders of magnitude. So, rushing something like this is much more possible than it was 10 or 20 years ago.

simply being "rushed" hardly counts as a reason not to trust it, IMO. Trusting it or not, really is the part that is mostly politicized.


You've clearly done more testing that "big pharma", and clearly know better.



Treating something, and vaccinating against it are two very different things, and while true they've found things that can treat it, like Remdesivir, none of those treatments are as effective as vaccinating.

They also haven't discarded them, they're actually still studying these things, in fact.



waht really frustrates me about the morons calling the vaccines experimental, because it's the first time mRNA vaccines have been used on people, is not only that they've been developing the vaccines for 30 years, but more importantly, it COMPLETELY ignores that several of the vaccines are "viral vector", which are not new and have been used in the past for other viruses.

Anyone arguing these are experimental should shut their mouths and elect to get an AZ or Johnson and Johnson vaccine.



at the end of the day, though, this is true. We can't force someone to get vaccinated, IMO. Of course, it's also the Blue Jackets right not to expose their other players to an unvaccinated player.

So, I don't really see what all the ruckus is about. Rinaldo made his choice, the Jackets made theirs, and everyone can move on with their lives. No need for anyone to get all worked up about it. His choice, but he can't play. So be it (that's me shrugging my shoulders and not caring).

Especially about this guy. Who cares if never plays again?
- prock

What are the four phases of clinical trials?
Clinical trials advance through four phases to test a treatment, find the appropriate dosage, and look for side effects. If, after the first three phases, researchers find a drug or other intervention to be safe and effective, the FDA approves it for clinical use and continues to monitor its effects.

Clinical trials of drugs are usually described based on their phase. The FDA typically requires Phase I, II, and III trials to be conducted to determine if the drug can be approved for use.

A Phase I trial tests an experimental treatment on a small group of often healthy people (20 to 80) to judge its safety and side effects and to find the correct drug dosage.
A Phase II trial uses more people (100 to 300). While the emphasis in Phase I is on safety, the emphasis in Phase II is on effectiveness. This phase aims to obtain preliminary data on whether the drug works in people who have a certain disease or condition. These trials also continue to study safety, including short-term side effects. This phase can last several years.
A Phase III trial gathers more information about safety and effectiveness, studying different populations and different dosages, using the drug in combination with other drugs. The number of subjects usually ranges from several hundred to about 3,000 people. If the FDA agrees that the trial results are positive, it will approve the experimental drug or device.
A Phase IV trial for drugs or devices takes place after the FDA approves their use. A device or drug's effectiveness and safety are monitored in large, diverse populations. Sometimes, the side effects of a drug may not become clear until more people have taken it over a longer period of time.

It looks to me like he has researched, instead of letting main stream media decide what you should believe.
I'm the type of person who will watch an 8 hr FDA booster approval meeting. I saw how Israel only provided certain statistics that didn't even answer questions about how safe it was and if someone asked a question off script they didn't know what to do, they would stammer turn red and say we have to get back to you on that.
Then during the open mic session more than half the drs speaking were against the vax, and boosters and had tons of power point stats as to why. They showed the VEARS numbers of over 500,000 injuries and 7500 deaths reported to a system that only 1% of instances gets reported. They showed how Isreal had an increase in cases and deaths that coincide perfectly with the booster rollout. How the delta variant had popped up just after the vaccines had been started, insinuating the vax created the delta. They showed how India has only 10% vaxed population and only have 30 cases a day per million compared to almost fully vaxed Isreal with 888 cases per day per million. The drs pushing the booster had no stats, because if they used them it would ruin their argument for it.
Then you have videos out there like Anthony Hopkins supposedly getting vaxed but you clearly see the nurse point the syringe out the door and squirt the contents out after pretending to give it to him. Telling him all done, I'll give you your papers in a few minutes. Just look it up on bichute, and see for yourself..
With how it looks in Isreal, it's going to be hilarious when these fully vaxed arenas wind up spreading this poop like wild fire, of course their fallback will be to blame some unvaxed bloke who provided a negative test instead, even if there is not one in the building. Don't use Google to research either there algorithm buries or hides the real facts that these drs provided, use duckduckgo, there algorithm is a little better at giving all info out there...

I can provide pictures of said stats, as I screen shot a bunch of them, but have no idea how to do so here..
- Nomad2112

What a F'ing dummy
- riceroni

Yes you are, indeed

- rangerdanger94

But she didn’t turn red she already was a (frank)ing ginger.

if people think that hockey or sports in general should be treated like real life (i.e. players should be able to choose whether or not to get vaccinated) then explain the draft to me.

It looks to me like he has researched, instead of letting main stream media decide what you should believe.
I'm the type of person who will watch an 8 hr FDA booster approval meeting. I saw how Israel only provided certain statistics that didn't even answer questions about how safe it was and if someone asked a question off script they didn't know what to do, they would stammer turn red and say we have to get back to you on that.
Then during the open mic session more than half the drs speaking were against the vax, and boosters and had tons of power point stats as to why. They showed the VEARS numbers of over 500,000 injuries and 7500 deaths reported to a system that only 1% of instances gets reported. They showed how Isreal had an increase in cases and deaths that coincide perfectly with the booster rollout. How the delta variant had popped up just after the vaccines had been started, insinuating the vax created the delta. They showed how India has only 10% vaxed population and only have 30 cases a day per million compared to almost fully vaxed Isreal with 888 cases per day per million. The drs pushing the booster had no stats, because if they used them it would ruin their argument for it.
Then you have videos out there like Anthony Hopkins supposedly getting vaxed but you clearly see the nurse point the syringe out the door and squirt the contents out after pretending to give it to him. Telling him all done, I'll give you your papers in a few minutes. Just look it up on bichute, and see for yourself..
With how it looks in Isreal, it's going to be hilarious when these fully vaxed arenas wind up spreading this poop like wild fire, of course their fallback will be to blame some unvaxed bloke who provided a negative test instead, even if there is not one in the building. Don't use Google to research either there algorithm buries or hides the real facts that these drs provided, use duckduckgo, there algorithm is a little better at giving all info out there...

I can provide pictures of said stats, as I screen shot a bunch of them, but have no idea how to do so here..
- Nomad2112

If those stats from Israel are true, what a shame more people aren’t made aware. That should be headline news everywhere.

I would be very careful with my words if I were condemning someone for choosing not to get the vaccine. No one can speak in definitives when it comes to this virus. I hope the vaccine is safe and effective, I really do. But how can you blame anyone for questioning it?

Personally, having had COVID I have no plans to get it because I believe in natural immunity. Very disappointed to not be treated as such.

What are the four phases of clinical trials?
Clinical trials advance through four phases to test a treatment, find the appropriate dosage, and look for side effects. If, after the first three phases, researchers find a drug or other intervention to be safe and effective, the FDA approves it for clinical use and continues to monitor its effects.

Clinical trials of drugs are usually described based on their phase. The FDA typically requires Phase I, II, and III trials to be conducted to determine if the drug can be approved for use.

A Phase I trial tests an experimental treatment on a small group of often healthy people (20 to 80) to judge its safety and side effects and to find the correct drug dosage.
A Phase II trial uses more people (100 to 300). While the emphasis in Phase I is on safety, the emphasis in Phase II is on effectiveness. This phase aims to obtain preliminary data on whether the drug works in people who have a certain disease or condition. These trials also continue to study safety, including short-term side effects. This phase can last several years.
A Phase III trial gathers more information about safety and effectiveness, studying different populations and different dosages, using the drug in combination with other drugs. The number of subjects usually ranges from several hundred to about 3,000 people. If the FDA agrees that the trial results are positive, it will approve the experimental drug or device.
A Phase IV trial for drugs or devices takes place after the FDA approves their use. A device or drug's effectiveness and safety are monitored in large, diverse populations. Sometimes, the side effects of a drug may not become clear until more people have taken it over a longer period of time.
- moneyballs

There are 3 main phases of clinical trials. Some make use of two other phases, not all. Phase 0 and 4. These are

I'm not sure what your point is? Do you have one?

There are 3 main phases of clinical trials. Some make use of two other phases, not all. Phase 0 and 4. These are

I'm not sure what your point is? Do you have one?
- prock

ultimately the point is that canada requires vaccincations PERIOD, end of story, to enter their country,

And, there are 7 Canadian teams and every team in the NHL travels to go play them

so, everybody in the NHL needs to just shut up and get vaccinated.

PERIOD.

ultimately the point is that canada requires vaccincations PERIOD, end of story, to enter their country,

And, there are 7 Canadian teams and every team in the NHL travels to go play them

so, everybody in the NHL needs to just shut up and get vaccinated.

PERIOD.
- jimbro83

or don't, and find another team/league to play for, or miss games. Whatever, their choice.

or don't, and find another team/league to play for, or miss games. Whatever, their choice.
- prock

But why isn’t it their choice to play for whatever team they want to play for in first place

Why do teams get a players rights if this about about individual liberty

if people think that hockey or sports in general should be treated like real life (i.e. players should be able to choose whether or not to get vaccinated) then explain the draft to me.
- jimbro83

Curious what your thoughts are on the Eichel situation?

He wants to get one surgery because it leads to better quality of life after his career, while Sabres want him to get another because it’s more of a guarantee he can play again in the short term but basically guarantees that he needs another surgery 10 years later and will likely deal with back issues the rest of his life after he hangs em up?

But why isn’t it their choice to play for whatever team they want to play for in first place

Why do teams get a players rights if this about about individual liberty
- jimbro83

The draft is a whole other issue.

But, if players don't like the rules of the NHL, they're not required to work there. There is no violation of liberties. Employers are allowed to state requirements of employment. and if you don't like it, work elsewhere.

or don't, and find another team/league to play for, or miss games. Whatever, their choice.
- prock

I wonder if there are medical exceptions to the vaccine.

My buddy has gotten hospitalized due to allergic reactions to the last 2 vaccines (unrelated to COVID) he received. His doctor told him he shouldn’t get the covid vaccine due to his history and that he is a young healthy male in his late 20s that should easily beat covid if he were to get it.

I’d bet that some of the NHL players that don’t want it might have similar medical reasons to not want it.

I wonder if there are medical exceptions to the vaccine.

My buddy has gotten hospitalized due to allergic reactions to the last 2 vaccines (unrelated to COVID) he received. His doctor told him he shouldn’t get the covid vaccine due to his history and that he is a young healthy male in his late 20s that should easily beat covid if he were to get it.

I’d bet that some of the NHL players that don’t want it might have similar medical reasons to not want it.
- rangerdanger94

possibly. There are legit reasons not to get vaccinated, I wouldn't say otherwise. Hell,I still think everyone should have the right to choose. But that doesn't supercede everyone else's right, and an employer's right to turn them down if they fell that persons choice puts them or their players at risk.