Did you actually watch him play? Seeing a few highlights doesn't count lol
- Rinosaur

So, you don't think this is an overpayment at all? That this could really bite them in the butt later!

So, you don't think this is an overpayment at all? That this could really bite them in the butt later!
- stevens87

I think the landscape has changed when it comes to RFAs at his level. Also, not ever GM of every team is in the same position. MIN isn't currently a prime destination which is why Guerin has had to pay some players.

Bill Guerin is definitely not good at his job. No clue how he’s still employed at this point.
- j.boyd919

Yea I don't think he has been either. Those buyouts we're a terrible idea.

I think the landscape has changed when it comes to RFAs at his level.
- Rinosaur

I agree with that but that's because of GMs giving crazy contracts to guys that haven't yet played a total of 82 NHL games.

Yea I don't think he has been either. Those buyouts we're a terrible idea.
- 668710

I honestly think this is the type of situation that's easy to dismiss as bad. He didn't inherit a great situation. Now, I'll argue some of the defense contracts he handed out didn't make life easier, but those buyouts were unavoidable. I don't think he could have even retained 50% on those players and moved them.

I agree with that but that's because of GMs giving crazy contracts to guys that haven't yet played a total of 82 NHL games.
- stevens87

Players like him are not flukes the way they play. He has a dynamic that you can't luck your way into.

I think the landscape has changed when it comes to RFAs at his level.
- Rinosaur

Yea and it should. If you pay them bigger when they are younger and are producing at their peak. They all wanna cash in(rightfully so) after their bridge deals and it looks bad at the end of the contract.

Players like him are not flukes the way they play. He has a dynamic that you can't luck your way into.
- Rinosaur

Three years ago, people were talking about what a steal NJ got in Nikita Gusev!

Three years ago, people were talking about what a steal NJ got in Nikita Gusev!
- stevens87

Gusev NEVER looked like Kaprizov at the NHL level. Never.

I honestly think this is the type of situation that's easy to dismiss as bad. He didn't inherit a great situation. Now, I'll argue some of the defense contracts he handed out didn't make life easier, but those buyouts were unavoidable. I don't think he could have even retained 50% on those players and moved them.
- Rinosaur

I honestly would have just kept them. At the worst bought out just Parise and kept Suter.

Gusev NEVER looked like Kaprizov at the NHL level. Never.
- Rinosaur

So for 9 mil a year, he should average about 45 goals and around 100 points for those 5 years right?

Three years ago, people were talking about what a steal NJ got in Nikita Gusev!
- stevens87

Gusev sucks.

So for 9 mil a year, he should average about 45 goals and around 100 points for those 5 years right?
- stevens87

I don't think you've really watched this kid play. I'm not trying to be a diack, but I just don't think you have.

So for 9 mil a year, he should average about 45 goals and around 100 points for those 5 years right?
- stevens87

Min for me at that contract is 30 goal range and 85 points. He's not gonna get 100 points 5 years straight. I don't think Sid even did that haha.

I honestly would have just kept them. At the worst bought out just Parise and kept Suter.
- 668710

They're not really in that position. He could have probably waited one more season on one of them, but between Kaprizov, Greenway and Fiala, he needed to make room. I just don't think the buyouts were avoidable. I think those d contracts were. I think his biggest mistake was not going full rebuild.

I don't think you've really watched this kid play. I'm not trying to be a diack, but I just don't think you have.
- Rinosaur

How he plays is irrelevant! Isn't the bottom line his production?

How he plays is irrelevant! Isn't the bottom line his production?
- stevens87

Nice chatting with ya!

Nice chatting with ya!
- Rinosaur

Yes it was! One final note:

2022-23 season - over 65.0 million cap hit for 12 players
2023-24 season - almost 52.5 million cap hit for 7 players
2024-25 season - over 42.5 million cap hit for 4 players.

Minnie is screwed thanks to Billy G.!!!!

How he plays is irrelevant! Isn't the bottom line his production?
- stevens87

He did produce though. Let me ask you this, what were your thoughts of Sid and Geno when they first got here? Like after the first few games I was like yea this is definitely it.

Yes it was! One final note:

2022-23 season - over 65.0 million cap hit for 12 players
2023-24 season - almost 52.5 million cap hit for 7 players
2024-25 season - over 42.5 million cap hit for 4 players.

Minnie is screwed thanks to Billy G.!!!!
- stevens87

Ok, Billy Guerin sucking has nothing to do with Kaprizov

He did produce though. Let me ask you this, what were your thoughts of Sid and Geno when they first got here? Like after the first few games I was like yea this is definitely it.
- 668710

Sid scored 222 points combined his first two years and Geno had a total of 191 points. That's a hell of a lot better than what Kiprizov will do combined his first two years even if you pro rate it!

Ok, Billy Guerin sucking has nothing to do with Kaprizov
- 668710

My point is that Guerin has done some stupid things this off season and one is paying a guy 9 million a year based on 55 total games!

So for 9 mil a year, he should average about 45 goals and around 100 points for those 5 years right?
- stevens87

Probably 75-90 points per season.

Sid scored 222 points combined his first two years and Geno had a total of 191 points. That's a hell of a lot better than what Kiprizov will do combined his first two years even if you pro rate it!
- stevens87

Yeah and 8.7 mill and 9.5 mill back when those contracts were signed would be more like 10 and 11 mill now.

I mean, it is possible that kid doesn't live up to 9 mill per, totally is, but he is a special player and as long as he stays healthy I think he'll be producing close to that for the duration of contract.

Probably 75-90 points per season.
- j.boyd919

That sounds about right! So, to me what would have been the right call is a 2 year "show me you can do it consistently" deal at 6 mil per, if he produces, then that 3 years of play can start talking about 5 years for 45. Is that unreasonable?