What time do you have lunch?
- ktownfan

😂

What time do you have lunch?
- ktownfan

Posting this on my phone, had no lunch break today at work. Was going to post on my one hour lunch break but sometimes stuff comes up at work, especially on a Monday.

There is no comparison between Brown and these 2 players except for size. Creighton had no vision or creativity. Chris Gratton had nothing except size and a bit of snarl to his game. Actually DJ would love him because he was a big stupid hard working hockey player.
- granpa

Do you even look these things up before posting?

Logan Brown
OHL - 205pts in 182GP, 1.13PPG
WJC - 1Pts in 3GP, 0.33PPG
AHL - 79pts in 94GP, 0.84PPG

Adam Creighton
OHL - 241pts in 194GP, 1.24PPG
WJC - 12pts in 7GP, 1.71PPG
AHL - 46pts in 38GP, 1.21PPG

So... Creighton actually had better OHL, WJC, and AHL production, and played over 700GP in NHL... where he produced at a 20G/yr pace in 7 straight seasons with 4 different teams, and already had a 40Pts/56GP season in the NHL by the time he was 21. Not bad for a guy with no vision or creativity... though he put up 1,000PIM over his NHL career, so I guess he was just a big stupid hard working player. Meanwhile, Chris Gratton had "nothing except size and a bit of snarl to his game", yet wound up with a 1000GP-200G-500Pts-1500PIM career. Total waste of time.

That said, maybe Brown could start by proving he's worth playing more than 9min/GP before we go crowning him the superior player? At some point the high-skill-level and cerebral game have to amount to consistent NHL production, or it's not really worth talking about... especially if you don't have the profile of a player who's going to work hard every night, and play a complete 200ft game.

If anyone is able to watch the rookie game and wants to put together a quick recap of the game, IM me on here or twitter and I will send you my email. 4pm weekday game is impossible for me to watch due to work then kids/family commitments after work.
Thanks!

Do you even look these things up before posting?

Logan Brown
OHL - 205pts in 182GP, 1.13PPG
WJC - 1Pts in 3GP, 0.33PPG
AHL - 79pts in 94GP, 0.84PPG

Adam Creighton
OHL - 241pts in 194GP, 1.24PPG
WJC - 12pts in 7GP, 1.71PPG
AHL - 46pts in 38GP, 1.21PPG

So... Creighton actually had better OHL, WJC, and AHL production, and played over 700GP in NHL... where he produced at a 20G/yr pace in 7 straight seasons with 4 different teams, and already had a 40Pts/56GP season in the NHL by the time he was 21. Not bad for a guy with no vision or creativity... though he put up 1,000PIM over his NHL career, so I guess he was just a big stupid hard working player. Meanwhile, Chris Gratton had "nothing except size and a bit of snarl to his game", yet wound up with a 1000GP-200G-500Pts-1500PIM career. Total waste of time.

That said, maybe Brown could start by proving he's worth playing more than 9min/GP before we go crowning him the superior player? At some point the high-skill-level and cerebral game have to amount to consistent NHL production, or it's not really worth talking about... especially if you don't have the profile of a player who's going to work hard every night, and play a complete 200ft game.
- khawk

You don't honestly think granpa has a brain, do you? He only has three thoughts total:

1) DJ Smith bad
2) Me Grumpy
3) Logan Brown good

I honestly don't ever remember him posting anything else, or anything that was at all useful to the conversation here at hockey buzz. He's either the most negative person on the planet, or the best troll in HB history. And either option is actually kind of impressive now that I think about it.

If you want to watch the Sens rookie game at 4pm today, they are showing it on their twitch account.

https://www.twitch.tv/canadiensmtl
- Kevin Francis

This is a link to a 3 month old video about Amanda Suzuki's pre-game routine.

Sokolov having a big game

Do you even look these things up before posting?

Logan Brown
OHL - 205pts in 182GP, 1.13PPG
WJC - 1Pts in 3GP, 0.33PPG
AHL - 79pts in 94GP, 0.84PPG

Adam Creighton
OHL - 241pts in 194GP, 1.24PPG
WJC - 12pts in 7GP, 1.71PPG
AHL - 46pts in 38GP, 1.21PPG

So... Creighton actually had better OHL, WJC, and AHL production, and played over 700GP in NHL... where he produced at a 20G/yr pace in 7 straight seasons with 4 different teams, and already had a 40Pts/56GP season in the NHL by the time he was 21. Not bad for a guy with no vision or creativity... though he put up 1,000PIM over his NHL career, so I guess he was just a big stupid hard working player. Meanwhile, Chris Gratton had "nothing except size and a bit of snarl to his game", yet wound up with a 1000GP-200G-500Pts-1500PIM career. Total waste of time.

That said, maybe Brown could start by proving he's worth playing more than 9min/GP before we go crowning him the superior player? At some point the high-skill-level and cerebral game have to amount to consistent NHL production, or it's not really worth talking about... especially if you don't have the profile of a player who's going to work hard every night, and play a complete 200ft game.
- khawk

The reason I don't bother debating with you is because your answers or comments are basically statistics and repeating what is said in the media or other sources. Your opinions are all based on those results, then you put your spin on it very eloquently but nothing is original. As for me it's the eye test, if I don't see it I have no comment. That's the way we did it 40 years ago. Right or wrong I'm expressing my opinion only on what I see.

Just a rookie game, but always fun to see the names on the scoresheet who "should" be showing up there.

Really can't wait for hockey to start again.

The reason I don't bother debating with you is because your answers or comments are basically statistics and repeating what is said in the media or other sources. Your opinions are all based on those results, then you put your spin on it very eloquently but nothing is original. As for me it's the eye test, if I don't see it I have no comment. That's the way we did it 40 years ago. Right or wrong I'm expressing my opinion only on what I see.
- granpa

Who exactly is "we", you and Harold Ballard? They could still count which players scored more points than other people 40 years ago, and it kind of mattered. Plus, I've gone out of my way to watch Logan Brown play games in the OHL, WJC, AHL, and NHL, and I'm sorry but my eye test disagrees. You're obviously dazzled by some of his puck skills, and that's fine - personally, I don't see the package as anywhere near the sum of its parts. I'm glad that he'll getting another chance to prove himself in training camp, but he needs to come into camp playing with serious determination or it will be his last.

Section 25 Row C.
I watched Creighton play.
They're very comparable. Obviously he went on to have a fairly successful NHL career.
That's what I'm projecting for Logan if he can ever get out of crutches. I threw Gratton in there because I think he's similar in that when he tried to finesse things (and not get into fights) he really wasn't very good at it.

Section 25 Row C.
I watched Creighton play.
They're very comparable. Obviously he went on to have a fairly successful NHL career.
That's what I'm projecting for Logan if he can ever get out of crutches. I threw Gratton in there because I think he's similar in that when he tried to finesse things (and not get into fights) he really wasn't very good at it.
- Octavarium

Watched Creighton many times with 67s big guy with a great hands. Good hockey player but not the vision Brown has. But then that's my opinion. You can put 10 guys together and they'll all have a different opinion.

Watched Creighton many times with 67s big guy with a great hands. Good hockey player but not the vision Brown has. But then that's my opinion. You can put 10 guys together and they'll all have a different opinion.
- granpa

Right, but nobody is actually questioning whether Brown has excellent offensive vision, or that he has very soft hands when it comes to puck distribution. Those are among his biggest strengths. But this isn't video game hockey, and in reality you need other skills beyond that to be successful and rewarded with opportunity. And it's not at all clear that Brown has established that he has NHL-level competency in those areas. So the ball is 100% in his court to go out there in training camp, show that he's developed beyond the basic skills that got him drafted in the first round 5 years ago, and prove that he's ready to be a regular NHL player.

If I were Logan Brown and entering the year of my 6th training camp I would have undertaken some serious self reflection. I would be damn sure to have worked on every aspect of my game over the summer. I would have worked twice as hard on my fitness and made sure to focus on the areas I have been told are areas that need improvement. I would do everything in my power to adapt my game in the areas my coaches have identified. My work ethic would have been through the roof and I would have done everything I am being told needs to happen to crack the lineup for opening night.

As a professional athlete anything less is simply not acceptable.

Time to sink or swim. It's all on the player at this point.

Barring injuries, Opening night line up

Stutzle Norris Batherson
Sokolov White Brown
Formenton Brown Tierny
Ennis Paul Watson

Considering we do not know why Brady has not signed yet, if its money, term or he don't trust melnyk to build a contender if its the first 2 and Sokolov dominates at the start of the season, you will see Brady trade rumors heat up if its the last pressure will increase on him to sign a contract.

If I were Logan Brown and entering the year of my 6th training camp I would have undertaken some serious self reflection. I would be damn sure to have worked on every aspect of my game over the summer. I would have worked twice as hard on my fitness and made sure to focus on the areas I have been told are areas that need improvement. I would do everything in my power to adapt my game in the areas my coaches have identified. My work ethic would have been through the roof and I would have done everything I am being told needs to happen to crack the lineup for opening night.

As a professional athlete anything less is simply not acceptable.

Time to sink or swim. It's all on the player at this point.
- HoweHatrick

This

Barring injuries, Opening night line up

Stutzle Norris Batherson
Sokolov White Brown
Formenton Brown Tierny
Ennis Paul Watson

Considering we do not know why Brady has not signed yet, if its money, term or he don't trust melnyk to build a contender if its the first 2 and Sokolov dominates at the start of the season, you will see Brady trade rumors heat up if its the last pressure will increase on him to sign a contract.
- Mithos

Stutzle Norris Batherson
Paul Brown Brown
Sokolov white Formenton
Ennis Tierny Watson

Looks better lol

Stutzle Norris Batherson
Paul Brown Brown
Sokolov white Formenton
Ennis Tierny Watson

Looks better lol
- sens4life1971

Hmmmm interesting!!

Barring injuries, Opening night line up

Stutzle Norris Batherson
Sokolov White Brown
Formenton Brown Tierny
Ennis Paul Watson

Considering we do not know why Brady has not signed yet, if its money, term or he don't trust melnyk to build a contender if its the first 2 and Sokolov dominates at the start of the season, you will see Brady trade rumors heat up if its the last pressure will increase on him to sign a contract.
- Mithos

I like everyone doing these line projections, good stuff!

If I were Logan Brown and entering the year of my 6th training camp I would have undertaken some serious self reflection. I would be damn sure to have worked on every aspect of my game over the summer. I would have worked twice as hard on my fitness and made sure to focus on the areas I have been told are areas that need improvement. I would do everything in my power to adapt my game in the areas my coaches have identified. My work ethic would have been through the roof and I would have done everything I am being told needs to happen to crack the lineup for opening night.

As a professional athlete anything less is simply not acceptable.

Time to sink or swim. It's all on the player at this point.
- HoweHatrick

Amen, beyond agreed!

Right, but nobody is actually questioning whether Brown has excellent offensive vision, or that he has very soft hands when it comes to puck distribution. Those are among his biggest strengths. But this isn't video game hockey, and in reality you need other skills beyond that to be successful and rewarded with opportunity. And it's not at all clear that Brown has established that he has NHL-level competency in those areas. So the ball is 100% in his court to go out there in training camp, show that he's developed beyond the basic skills that got him drafted in the first round 5 years ago, and prove that he's ready to be a regular NHL player.
- khawk

It's sad that it has taken him this long to realize that work ethic and off-season training would possibly pave the way for an NHL roster spot!

I'm not exactly thrilled with the Ennis move, but in defence of it...
- Ennis has pretty good history with Smith
- he's listed as a LW/C/RW, so it shouldn't be an issue to line him up at #3/4RW
- the last time he was with the team was the best season he's had over the past 5yrs
- it's technically just a PTO

Plus, if they're going to give Logan Brown a genuine chance to actually put up some points at the NHL level, you have to ask if you'd rather see him line up with a guy like Tyler Ennis at RW, or Austin Watson.
- khawk

I hear ya, but will the coaching staff actually put him in a position to succeed?!

So Brady was aware and agreed to saying he is the most important part of the team and the captain? Wonder what his team mates think of that.

Imo it was one idiot blabbering who obviously suffers from tkachuk syndrome
- spazzbot

This family wouldn't allow anything to get out unless they all thought it was ok. Nobody speaks out of tune in this family!

So Petterson, Q. Hughes and Brady are training together awaiting completion of their negotiations. Could this get ugly? Are player agents trying to establish a contract base for elite players coming off their entry level deals?

Owners should have no problem with the standard set by the McDavid contract. Eichel is not unreasonable given the numbers he has produced. The Leafs' deal with Matthews seems highly problematic for many owners. The Marner contract is a nightmare.

Minnesota put themselves into cap hell by signing Kaprisov at $45m. (5 years @ $9m). No bonus money. Not an unrealistic bench mark for what is happening. Further evidence that salaries for players age 28-29 (and above) must continue to come down in direct proportion to the increases being paid on these post entry level deals. So, there is a better than even money chance that Kaprisov will have to settle for less money after the 5 year deal he signed yesterday.

Remember.

Stanley Cup winners tend to be veteran teams. A smart GM might want to think about making some strategic moves. Cap will be staying down for at least another 3 years. Maybe you need to choose the short term deal, continue to conserve cap space and get ready to sign some veteran talent when most of the teams have fully exhausted their cap runway.

It's sad that it has taken him this long to realize that work ethic and off-season training would possibly pave the way for an NHL roster spot!
- Kevin Francis

Zibanejad had the same problem in Ottawa until they traded him. All he needed was a change of scenery.