I wouldn't be happy about it but then again I'm not the one being taken to court for it, changing office personnel and having players former and present admitting to hearing about it back in 2010.
- BetweenTheDots

Happens every day in companies and people get fired every day.

Actually the worst part would be the victim in all this, if most of this is true.

I understand it's a difficult subject
- BetweenTheDots

Would that be "the victims" who never called the police, and waited 10+ years to say anything?

....

Toews...over.....hes rested, hes hungry, he's recharged, and Still Sick

.....
- rpeters01

Something you know that the rest of us don't? Gonna stick to it like wiz with his diagnosis?

Stan was the GM. You have a CEO, President, Head of HR, and a whole bunch of other people would be responsible before Stan. I'm not saying he should bury his head in the sand and ignore everything that happens, but if your boss, your bosses boss, etc. (including HR) all know about it and chose the path they did, then you can hate Stan all you want for his drafts, trades, hires, etc., but this one isn't on him.

At the time, Hawks removed the offender. It wasn't their responsibility to press charges or anything else, that's the responsibility of the victim(s). Could they have gone to the Police?, maybe. As they stated in one of their releases on the matter, the victim was not a minor or disabled so it was not their duty to do so. Going to the police at the time could also open them up to litigation from Aldrich, if investigation proved the accusations un-true. In regards to providing a reference, legally, all they can do is confirm employment. Multiple sources have said that they never provided a letter of recommendation. The place Aldrich was hired said they never even asked for one. Yeah, as an organization this doesn't look great, yeah in hindsight it's easy to say what "should" have been done. In all probability, this was another McDonaugh production on maintaining the reputation of the club, and while maybe morally wrong, was legally ok.
- TheTrob

My vote for post of the day.

Good god you're a moron
- GPHawksfan

Learned from the best.

My vote for post of the day.
- LAHawk

Agree good thought out post and good points. Sorry i brought it up it was just my personal opinion on the matter. I do believe there is a lot of pressure on bowman making the playoffs this coming season is he the hot seat maybe i think Coliton has more pressure on him than bowman imo.

Agree good thought out post and good points. Sorry i brought it up it was just my personal opinion on the matter. I do believe there is a lot of pressure on bowman making the playoffs this coming season is he the hot seat maybe i think Coliton has more pressure on him than bowman imo.
- Scott1977

I think Stan is safe for now, no matter the on ice product this year. He was promoted, he is a direct report to Danny Wirtz now, in charge of the hockey operations. He is molding the front office to his vision (hiring a cap specialist, strengthening the analytics department, hiring and firing some scouts). I don't think they gave him the job of upgrading/updating the front office looking at him, as the henchman for someone else to take over.

Backes to sign a one day contract with the Blues so he can retire as one. Think Keith and Seabs will be invited to the festivities?
- boilermaker100

I was hoping they do this with Hjammer……

Stan was the GM. You have a CEO, President, Head of HR, and a whole bunch of other people would be responsible before Stan. I'm not saying he should bury his head in the sand and ignore everything that happens, but if your boss, your bosses boss, etc. (including HR) all know about it and chose the path they did, then you can hate Stan all you want for his drafts, trades, hires, etc., but this one isn't on him.

At the time, Hawks removed the offender. It wasn't their responsibility to press charges or anything else, that's the responsibility of the victim(s). Could they have gone to the Police?, maybe. As they stated in one of their releases on the matter, the victim was not a minor or disabled so it was not their duty to do so. Going to the police at the time could also open them up to litigation from Aldrich, if investigation proved the accusations un-true. In regards to providing a reference, legally, all they can do is confirm employment. Multiple sources have said that they never provided a letter of recommendation. The place Aldrich was hired said they never even asked for one. Yeah, as an organization this doesn't look great, yeah in hindsight it's easy to say what "should" have been done. In all probability, this was another McDonaugh production on maintaining the reputation of the club, and while maybe morally wrong, was legally ok.
- TheTrob

Exactly!

My vote for post of the day.
- LAHawk

I'll back that up.

Stan was the GM. You have a CEO, President, Head of HR, and a whole bunch of other people would be responsible before Stan. I'm not saying he should bury his head in the sand and ignore everything that happens, but if your boss, your bosses boss, etc. (including HR) all know about it and chose the path they did, then you can hate Stan all you want for his drafts, trades, hires, etc., but this one isn't on him.

At the time, Hawks removed the offender. It wasn't their responsibility to press charges or anything else, that's the responsibility of the victim(s). Could they have gone to the Police?, maybe. As they stated in one of their releases on the matter, the victim was not a minor or disabled so it was not their duty to do so. Going to the police at the time could also open them up to litigation from Aldrich, if investigation proved the accusations un-true. In regards to providing a reference, legally, all they can do is confirm employment. Multiple sources have said that they never provided a letter of recommendation. The place Aldrich was hired said they never even asked for one. Yeah, as an organization this doesn't look great, yeah in hindsight it's easy to say what "should" have been done. In all probability, this was another McDonaugh production on maintaining the reputation of the club, and while maybe morally wrong, was legally ok.
- TheTrob

And this is the post of the day for some, nice. Bunch of company men here

And this is the post of the day for some, nice. Bunch of company men here
- BetweenTheDots

It might have been the post of the year. Your disapproval confirms it.

My vote for post of the day.
- LAHawk

And sounds exactly how it unfolded. I wouldn't care or even wonder whom the player(s) were if there was an out of court settlement and a gag order on the names. Of course I think reporters have Freedom.of Information Act but they will learn about the details one.way or another before that course of action would be necessary. The player(s) involved are scarred for life and Blackhawks management probably could have offered support to the players. Counseling or whatever. McDonough acted exactly as you would expect as far as I can see.

The players that taunted him......well that response is normal to expect and about all you can say is.....anyone whose conduct is detrimental ....life has a way of what goes round comes round/or suffering your own problems later on. Most everyone will never be in a position to know if life got even for taunting and so that is just the way it goes

And this is the post of the day for some, nice. Bunch of company men here
- BetweenTheDots

There is no right or wrong side until the facts come out....all it is now is speculation and lawyers tainting the pool by trying to get public opinion as far negative as possible to get a settlement.

I just have a VERY hard time understanding how a grown man, who is allegedly that upset, and ALLEGEDLY confides into team staff....can't file a complaint with police? IF after said meeting he is told the organization wont' take it any further?

Explain that to me...that's my sticking point...and same to an @ss hat like Sopel who kept just as quiet as everyone else ALLEGEDLY but now that he's out of the show...he's some crusader?

Company man vs crying wolf....which is worse?

Something you know that the rest of us don't? Gonna stick to it like wiz with his diagnosis?
- TheTrob

The media, most notably a clown like Lazerus, has done a great job going full "bernstein" and deadspin writer who love playing moral police.....without the duty of due dilligence playing out.

Gets old.....and the amount of people who suck that crap up and assume what is said is factual just because a lawyer filed suit is amazing to me.

Never knew that the first to file suit automatically is telling 100% truth.....

It might have been the post of the year. Your disapproval confirms it.
- mohel

Maybe some people need to go back and review the Duke Lacross case and the damage that did to those guys when everyone rushed to judgement that they were guilty.....or doesn't that fit the narrative for a westwood or lazerus or bernstein or decarlo?

And this is the post of the day for some, nice. Bunch of company men here
- BetweenTheDots

BTD, it has nothing to do with being "Company Men". It does have to do with trying to look at situations as they occurred at the time, not 10 years later when all of a sudden there is an accusation and/or different information.

Forget biases and opinions based on fandom, and instead rely on what is legally required and expected. In Illinois you have 300 days to file from the date of occurrence. It is the Victims responsibility to report. Companies can have policies in regards to EEOC violations, such as counseling, training, discipline, firing, etc. an actual criminal complaint need to come from the Victim. Also, all sexual harassment cases are not necessarily criminal.

https://twitter.com/Josh_.../1436021811792261122?s=01

There is no right or wrong side until the facts come out....all it is now is speculation and lawyers tainting the pool by trying to get public opinion as far negative as possible to get a settlement.

I just have a VERY hard time understanding how a grown man, who is allegedly that upset, and ALLEGEDLY confides into team staff....can't file a complaint with police? IF after said meeting he is told the organization wont' take it any further?

Explain that to me...that's my sticking point...and same to an @ss hat like Sopel who kept just as quiet as everyone else ALLEGEDLY but now that he's out of the show...he's some crusader?

Company man vs crying wolf....which is worse?
- SteveRain

I won't even go as far as saying a "grown man", maybe legally yes, he was over 18, but a 20-22 year old, may not be mentally a grown man. So mentally your a kid afraid of what happens if you speak out. You say something to Vincent, but not directly to a coach, GM, HR, etc. Heck, if it bugged you that much wouldn't you say something to a parent?

So now, 10 years later, [in July 2019 when] he realized the source of his misery (as per Doe1 response to motion to dismiss), he wants to hold everyone accountable for what he failed to properly report.

None of this condones what Aldrich did or didn't do, but you can't lay expectations on people or corporations (way) after the fact when the victim himself did nothing.

I was hoping they do this with Hjammer……
- squishy24

Hammer is going to get a legacy night this season, as will Seabs and Shaw.

Blackhawks notable game dates:
Oct. 21: Patrick Kane 1,000-point ceremony
Jan. 13: Andrew Shaw legacy night vs. Canadiens
Jan. 31: Brent Seabrook legacy night vs. Canucks
March 3: Niklas Hjalmarsson legacy night vs. Oilers
April 14: Pat Foley celebration

Cool that they'll have Hammer's celebration while Keith is in the building. Should do the same for Seabs, frankly.

I won't even go as far as saying a "grown man", maybe legally yes, he was over 18, but a 20-22 year old, may not be mentally a grown man. So mentally your a kid afraid of what happens if you speak out. You say something to Vincent, but not directly to a coach, GM, HR, etc. Heck, if it bugged you that much wouldn't you say something to a parent?

So now, 10 years later,
- TheTrob[in July 2019 when] he realized the source of his misery (as per Doe1 response to motion to dismiss), he wants to hold everyone accountable for what he failed to properly report.

None of this condones what Aldrich did or didn't do, but you can't lay expectations on people or corporations (way) after the fact when the victim himself did nothing.

100% and I have yet to see anyone who is coming out (sopel or boynton) sincerely apologize for their supposed knowledge and not acting on it. Instead, it's just ganging up and piling on....sour grapes? Who the hell knows.

Just tired of people believing everything that media says as gospel, especially after we just saw a very gut wrenching case with Duke that later was exactly the opposite....after those guys were publicly crucified.

This guy wasn't a minor or a child as you said. he had the ability for himself OR somebody in his inner circle to file a complaint and didn't.....and only after the Aldirch suit after his Hawks career did this come to light.

Call me morally corrupt, or as some idiot Edmonton poster said weeks ago "a horrible human being who I hope karma destroys you" but something isn't all just on the plaintiff side.

BTD, it has nothing to do with being "Company Men". It does have to do with trying to look at situations as they occurred at the time, not 10 years later when all of a sudden there is an accusation and/or different information.

Forget biases and opinions based on fandom, and instead rely on what is legally required and expected. In Illinois you have 300 days to file from the date of occurrence. It is the Victims responsibility to report. Companies can have policies in regards to EEOC violations, such as counseling, training, discipline, firing, etc. an actual criminal complaint need to come from the Victim. Also, all sexual harassment cases are not necessarily criminal.
- TheTrob

Oh so it's okay if the victim doesn't report it within the legal amount of days?

Yikes

Just throwing this out here for everyone's information.

https://corporatefinancei...r/statute-of-limitations/

You're right, they also supposedly wrote a positive reference letter.
- BetweenTheDots

There has been no evidence of a positive reference letter. In most cases these letters just say begin date and end date. Let’s refrain from the “supposedly’s”. This supposedly happened in Aldrich’s apartment. This supposedly was the response when the player told a lower level coach. This supposedly was said by players in practices or the locker room. These people supposedly knew all the details on this date. This supposedly happened in the management meeting. This supposedly was in the employment letter. Please tap the brakes.

There's nothing wrong about discussing something that allegedly happened. The worst part is not talking about it.
- BetweenTheDots

There is nothing wrong with waiting until we know the facts. Talking about something that “allegedly happened” can be counterproductive.