Oh is it an actual requirement?
- ClaudeFather

Do we really have to beat this subject to death again?

Do we really have to beat this subject to death again?
- MBFlyerfan

Lol it’s a yes or no question

So in the multiple roles Holmgren has been in, which one elevates him the most for putting him in the team HOF?

Leach played the most relevant part of his career with the Flyers and for 5 years or so was one of the most feared Right Wings in the league, scored 61 goals in a season and 45 and 50 goals in two others for the Flyers, plus broke the playoff scoring record in 75-76' while scoring 19 goals in 16 playoff games, Oh .. and won 2 Cups!

Did Briere do this? How about Gagne? How about Recchi? How about Tocchet??

Wake up ... will you!!

P.S. Before Leach scored 61 goals in 75-76', only Phil Esposito had broke 60 goals in a season, so at the time this was monumental!
- jd250

You've made so many misstatements on this to this point that you have no business telling someone to wake up.

Danny Briere was a top playoff scorer for the team in a playoff run to the Cup finals. He elevated the team into contention.

Gagne is in the top 10 all time for Flyers goal scorers.

Rick Tocchet was one of the best wingers in the league as a Flyer and was a 30-40 goal scorer as well as racking up high point totals in multiple years. He was a key player and a leader on teams that legitimately challenged for the Cup.

Mark Recchi is 9th on the all time Flyers scoring list and holds the single season record for points in a season for a Flyer. He helped form one of the best lines in Flyers history. The crazy 8's line.

I am a yes on Gagne, so your preaching to the choir there. I can also be swayed with Briere, though I am on the fence with him currently. And I also pointed out that, before Leach scored 61 goals in 1975-1976, only 1 player had scored 60+ goals in a season before him, that was Phil Esposito, so that just adds to why Leach belongs in the Flyers HoF and is better than the more recent names we have been discussing.
- jd250

Not one single person has claimed that Leach does not belong on the Flyers HOF. It doesn't matter if he was better than anyone who is already in. The latter is not a standard for making it.

So in the multiple roles Holmgren has been in, which one elevates him the most for putting him in the team HOF?
- Minnyhock

I think it's the total combination more than one individual part.

As a player: First notable American player in franchise history (Wayne Hicks was the first but spent less than one season here). First American in NHL history to score a hat trick in a Stanley Cup Final game. One-third of Rat Patrol line with Propp and Linseman (30-goal season in 1979-80 for Homer). NHL All-Star in 1980-81.

As assistant coach: Part of Mike Keenan's staff from 1985-87.

As head coach: Behind the bench for the Flyers surprise run to the Wales Conference Final in 1989.

As assistant GM: Ran the Flyers scouting and draft operations for Bob Clarke. Was integral to the drafting decisions among others, on Simon Gagne, Justin Williams, Claude Giroux, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Patrick Sharp and Antero Niittymäki. Was also the de facto Phantoms GM and architect of two Calder Cup champions.

As GM: Turned the Flyers around instantly from the worst season in franchise history. Eastern Conference finalist in 2007-08, Stanley Cup finalist in 2009-10. Hundred-plus point regular seasons in 2010-11 and 2011-12.

As Team President: Fought very hard to preserve the family identity that Ed Snider created. Continued to do selfless and extremely generous deeds behind the scenes for Alumni, longtime employees and others around the team.

Did any one area build his case for Flyers HoF? Maybe or maybe not. But the combination plus being a Lester Patrick Award winner for his yeoman work for hockey in the USA? I'd say absolutely yes.

Yes we disagree of what the bar should be. I can be swayed with Recchi, and I agree on Gagne because of that game 7 goal. Also, I agree that you do not have to be in the NHL HoF to be in the Flyers HoF.
- jd250

You just got done with
"Did Briere do this? How about GAGNE? How about Recchi? How about Tocchet??

Now you agree on Gagne?

I would nominate Jay Greenberg, his work lives on in fans like me who started following the team and like to look back on it’s history.
- NC Flyers Fan

I am biased but I'd love to see it. Only thing is that Jay worked mostly for newspapers and only briefly directly for the Flyers. He was independently commissioned for Full Spectrum by Ed Snider. Worked for the Flyers during Flyers at 50 process and the 50th Anniversary season.

You've made so many misstatements on this to this point that you have no business telling someone to wake up.

Danny Briere was a top playoff scorer for the team in a playoff run to the Cup finals. He elevated the team into contention.

Gagne is in the top 10 all time for Flyers goal scorers.

Rick Tocchet was one of the best wingers in the league as a Flyer and was a 30-40 goal scorer as well as racking up high point totals in multiple years. He was a key player and a leader on teams that legitimately challenged for the Cup.

Mark Recchi is 9th on the all time Flyers scoring list and holds the single season record for points in a season for a Flyer.
- MJL

In addressing the many misgivings of that post, you missed the most blatant factual error. Leach was traded for between Cups, so there is no possible way in which he won two with the Flyers.

I am biased but I'd love to see it. Only thing is that Jay worked mostly for newspapers and only briefly directly for the Flyers. He was independently commissioned for Full Spectrum by Ed Snider. Worked for the Flyers during Flyers at 50 process and the 50th Anniversary season.
- bmeltzer

I remember some of his articles on the Flyers main site. I have his books. If the historian is important to remembering and continuing a legacy, it has to be him for the Flyers. I don’t know if who pays you is that important. I think there are probably a lot of behind the scenes folks I have never heard of that are important to making the Flyers who they are. I don’t envy the task of the nominating committee.

I think it's the total combination more than one individual part.

As a player: First notable American player in franchise history (Wayne Hicks was the first but spent less than one season here). First American in NHL history to score a hat trick in a Stanley Cup Final game. One-third of Rat Patrol line with Propp and Linseman (30-goal season in 1979-80 for Homer). NHL All-Star in 1980-81.

As assistant coach: Part of Mike Keenan's staff from 1985-87.

As head coach: Behind the bench for the Flyers surprise run to the Wales Conference Final in 1989.

As assistant GM: Ran the Flyers scouting and draft operations for Bob Clarke. Was integral to the drafting decisions among others, on Simon Gagne, Justin Williams, Claude Giroux, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Patrick Sharp and Antero Niittymäki. Was also the de facto Phantoms GM and architect of two Calder Cup champions.

As GM: Turned the Flyers around instantly from the worst season in franchise history. Eastern Conference finalist in 2007-08, Stanley Cup finalist in 2009-10. Hundred-plus point regular seasons in 2010-11 and 2011-12.

As Team President: Fought very hard to preserve the family identity that Ed Snider created. Continued to do selfless and extremely generous deeds behind the scenes for Alumni, longtime employees and others around the team.

Did any one area build his case for Flyers HoF? Maybe or maybe not. But the combination plus being a Lester Patrick Award winner for his yeoman work for hockey in the USA? I'd say absolutely yes.
- bmeltzer

Terrific analysis,Bill. I had the privilege of working with Homer’s brother Mark for a few years. A laid back funny funny guy. Mark told me many stories of him and Paul growing up on the East side of St. Paul, Homer’s days with the Flyers,his teammates, the personalities. If Homer is anything like his brother Mark, he’s a great guy.

Terrific analysis,Bill. I had the privilege of working with Homer’s brother Mark for a few years. A laid back funny funny guy. Mark told me many stories of him and Paul growing up on the East side of St. Paul, Homer’s days with the Flyers,his teammates, the personalities. If Homer is anything like his brother Mark, he’s a great guy.
- Minnyhock

Paul is a good man, through and through.

Paul is a good man, through and through.
- bmeltzer

And still looks like he could clean someone's clock. lol.

Ronnies half rebuild really should have been a tear down. The playoff bubble team purgatory is the worst place to be.
- ClaudeFather

Absolutely. It's playing scared.

Here is information related to the topic being discussed.

3.8% of all players that played in the NHL are in the hockey hall of fame.

3.9% of all players that ever played for the flyers are in the flyers hall of fame.

G definitely. I think the next question for him is will 28 be retired?
- Pelle31Forever

If he wins a cup it absolutely will be. If he ends his career here I can still easily see it. Same for coots

Here is information related to the topic being discussed.

3.8% of all players that played in the NHL are in the hockey hall of fame.

3.9% of all players that ever played for the flyers are in the flyers hall of fame.
- funmaster18

Please note these numbers are not through the previous season, but both within the last couple of seasons to get a ball park %.

Please note these numbers are not through the previous season, but both within the last couple of seasons to get a ball park %.
- funmaster18

There you go, already discrediting yourself!

My brother actually met Beast in Switzerland circa August 2007 when he was a Thrashers coach. I still have the autographed game day ticket and puck from that day.

Hey fhuckhead! why dont you do the world a favor and die or go somewhere else you phucking piece of poop little troll.
Did the best part of you rundown the crack of your Moms a$$jole?
This will be my sign off acknowledging you as a human being, you piece of sh!t!!!
- konalover711

This. Unfortunately, it’ll just come back with alt #18 or so.

Hi lasgop, rinaldo, dave brown, darryl stanley, hello it’s me 2050, etc, etc.

How I see it:
Lou Nolan-Stone cold lock
Holmgren-for his near lifetime of service he should get in
Recchi-yes
Tocchet-could go either way
Gagne-same as Tocchet
Kelly-sorry, I love the guy and yes, he scored the Cup winning goal in 75, but bottom 6 wingers don’t belong in the HoF no matter how long they serve as team ambassadors

Yeah, that's not the way it works.

But if anyone broke the tradition, it would be Giroux.
- MBFlyerfan

Unless he leads them to a Cup I don’t think he gets into the Hockey HoF or deserves to have his number retired. However, as soon as he retires, he should go into the Flyers HoF the following season.

And still looks like he could clean someone's clock. lol.
- hockeylover

Without a doubt, lol. Homer was scary tough as a player.

How I see it:
Lou Nolan-Stone cold lock
Holmgren-for his near lifetime of service he should get in
Recchi-yes
Tocchet-could go either way
Gagne-same as Tocchet
Kelly-sorry, I love the guy and yes, he scored the Cup winning goal in 75, but bottom 6 wingers don’t belong in the HoF no matter how long they serve as team ambassadors
- BiggE

Time is relative. Recchi, Tocchet, and Gags all deserve their proper accolades. Years will pass, and all will only remember the positive.

Despite Recchi spending 40% of his career here, it’s longer than he’s been anywhere else.

His stats deserve respect.

Hang em all, and hang em high.

You just got done with
"Did Briere do this? How about GAGNE? How about Recchi? How about Tocchet??

Now you agree on Gagne?

- MJL

I have always agreed on Gagne, and I stated why several posts ago. All I am saying is Leach did some things none of these players did, both regular season and playoffs. It does not mean I am not in on Gagne or even Briere, though I am on the fence with Briere because I'm not sure he had his most successful years as a Flyer. Recchi was a great hockey player, but was he a Flyer? He played for so many teams and remember, the Flyers got so much better when they traded Recchi for LeClair and Dejarsdin. Tocchet to me just didn't play enough years with the Flyers and really accomplish enough with the Flyers to be considered.