Dorny is in. Loved Dorny as a player when I was a kid, as a broadcaster and can also attest to what a good guy he is. But Rick Tocchet was the better player and less injury prone.
- bmeltzer

See! You just proved my point. I loved Dorny too, but he was good, not great player, so now you say, well if he is in, then Tocchet must be in. That is problem with allowing players that are under the bar in, it opens doors to other under the bar players. To me, if good, not great, players that didn't even have their best years with the Flyers nor win a Cup with the Flyers can get in, what's the point of a Flyers HoF?

Paul Coffey was a decent NHL journeyman defenseman...
- Glak18

lol

Gretzky was a decent journeyman, too lol

See! You just proved my point. I loved Dorny too, but he was good, not great player, so now you say, well if he is in, then Tocchet must be in. That is problem with allowing players that are under the bar in, it opens doors to other under the bar players. To me, if good, not great, players that didn't even have their best years with the Flyers nor win a Cup with the Flyers can get in, what's the point of a Flyers HoF?
- jd250

Except that we disagree over what's "under the bar". Also, it's not only just a matter of stats. There are intangible factors as well. I consider Recchi, Tocchet and Gagne all to be pretty close to no-brainer candidates for the Flyers HOF. Wouldn't put Tocchet or Gagne in the Hockey Hall of Fame candidate category, but they don't have to be.

Right there in the statement you made!


We haven't even gotten to the point where you listed Leach as a player who played his entire career with the Flyers.
- MJL

Leach played the most relevant part of his career with the Flyers and for 5 years or so was one of the most feared Right Wings in the league, scored 61 goals in a season and 45 and 50 goals in two others for the Flyers, plus broke the playoff scoring record in 75-76' while scoring 19 goals in 16 playoff games, Oh .. and won 2 Cups!

Did Briere do this? How about Gagne? How about Recchi? How about Tocchet??

Wake up ... will you!!

P.S. Before Leach scored 61 goals in 75-76', only Phil Esposito had broke 60 goals in a season, so at the time this was monumental!

G definitely. I think the next question for him is will 28 be retired?

Two 30-goal seasons and multiple big playoff runs. Also his off-ice presence in the community and enduring popularity with the fans are intangibles for his case.
- bmeltzer

Yep, I looked it up...72 points in 68 playoff games as a Flyer. I don't think there was a more clutch player in the playoffs since the Legion of Doom.

Leach played the most relevant part of his career with the Flyers and for 5 years or so was one of the most feared Right Wings in the league, scored 61 goals in a season and 45 and 50 goals in two others for the Flyers, plus broke the playoff scoring record in 75-76' while scoring 19 goals in 16 playoff games, Oh .. and won 2 Cups!

Did Briere do this? How about Gagne? How about Recchi? How about Tocchet??

Wake up ... will you!!
- jd250

Teams win Cups, not individual players. Could Briere have possibly done any more to bring the Flyers as close to the 2010 Cup as they got? Who scored in OT in Game 6 of ECF vs. Tampa in 2004, OT of Game 4 vs BOS in 2010 and the series winning goal in the third period of Game 7 vs. BOS? Gagne.

Except that we disagree over what's "under the bar". Also, it's not only just a matter of stats. There are intangible factors as well. I consider Recchi, Tocchet and Gagne all to be pretty close to no-brainer candidates for the Flyers HOF. Wouldn't put Tocchet or Gagne in the Hockey Hall of Fame candidate category, but they don't have to be.
- bmeltzer

Yes we disagree of what the bar should be. I can be swayed with Recchi, and I agree on Gagne because of that game 7 goal. Also, I agree that you do not have to be in the NHL HoF to be in the Flyers HoF.

Leach played the most relevant part of his career with the Flyers and for 5 years or so was one of the most feared Right Wings in the league, scored 61 goals in a season and 45 and 50 goals in two others for the Flyers, plus broke the playoff scoring record in 75-76' while scoring 19 goals in 16 playoff games, Oh .. and won 2 Cups!

Did Briere do this? How about Gagne? How about Recchi? How about Tocchet??

Wake up ... will you!!

P.S. Before Leach scored 61 goals in 75-76', only Phil Esposito had broke 60 goals in a season, so at the time this was monumental!
- jd250

Leach was outstanding in 1974-75 and 1975-76. Fell out of favor with Fred Shero (and also Keith Allen, if we're being totally honest, because there were numerous times he was nearly traded) by the latter 1970s. Had a big bounceback year under Pat Quinn and reunited with Clarke and Barber in 1979-80.

Teams win Cups, not individual players. Could Briere have possibly done any more to bring the Flyers as close to the 2010 Cup as they got? Who scored in OT in Game 6 of ECF vs. Tampa in 2004, OT of Game 4 vs BOS in 2010 and the series winning goal in the third period of Game 7 vs. BOS? Gagne.
- bmeltzer

I am a yes on Gagne, so your preaching to the choir there. I can also be swayed with Briere, though I am on the fence with him currently. And I also pointed out that, before Leach scored 61 goals in 1975-1976, only 1 player had scored 60+ goals in a season before him, that was Phil Esposito, so that just adds to why Leach belongs in the Flyers HoF and is better than the more recent names we have been discussing.

G definitely. I think the next question for him is will 28 be retired?
- Pelle31Forever

I don’t even think it’s a question, it will absolutely be retired.

Leach was outstanding in 1974-75 and 1975-76. Fell out of favor with Fred Shero (and also Keith Allen, if we're being totally honest, because there were numerous times he was nearly traded) by the latter 1970s. Had a big bounceback year under Pat Quinn and reunited with Clarke and Barber in 1979-80.
- bmeltzer

Didn't he also have alcohol issues when he was playing? I always thought that impacted him greatly, but maybe I am not remembering correctly.

Teams win Cups, not individual players. Could Briere have possibly done any more to bring the Flyers as close to the 2010 Cup as they got? Who scored in OT in Game 6 of ECF vs. Tampa in 2004, OT of Game 4 vs BOS in 2010 and the series winning goal in the third period of Game 7 vs. BOS? Gagne.
- bmeltzer

I think Gagne's a no brainer. But that's just my opinion.

Yes we disagree of what the bar should be. I can be swayed with Recchi, and I agree on Gagne because of that game 7 goal. Also, I agree that you do not have to be in the NHL HoF to be in the Flyers HoF.
- jd250

On the back read, I’m not sure I really understand your argument of being very selective. In over 50 years of existence, considering all the builders, broadcasters, writers, managers, coaches and players…there must be over 2,000 worthy candidates. The Flyers hall of fame has only 25 inductees. Seems to me that it is extremely selective already.

I don’t even think it’s a question, it will absolutely be retired.
- ClaudeFather

And I would be favor if G in the Flyers HoF for sure, he played his best years, and maybe even all his career with the Flyers, was one of the top scorers in the league, the captain of the team ... that meets my bar at least.

Paul Coffey was a decent NHL journeyman defenseman...
- Glak18

paul coffey did not enjoy his time here in philly.

Paul Coffey was a decent NHL journeyman defenseman...
- Glak18

But he will always be an Edmonton Oiler, his first team and best years.

On the back read, I’m not sure I really understand your argument of being very selective. In over 50 years of existence, considering all the builders, broadcasters, writers, managers, coaches and players…there must be over 2,000 worthy candidates. The Flyers hall of fame has only 25 inductees. Seems to me that it is extremely selective already.
- NC Flyers Fan

Clarke and Parent were the first inductees in 1988 and there have been 18 players inducted in the past 32 years, so you're right its been selective up to this point. I hope it stays that way and the bar is set high.

paul coffey did not enjoy his time here in philly.
- hello it's me 2050

What he told Jay Greenberg was that he enjoyed the 1996-97 season and was happy to come to Philly. Wish he'd been healthier. Did not enjoy the remainder and didn't think Clarke handled his departure well. Said that he has great memories of beating the Rangers in the ECF. Still gets asked to autograph a lot of Flyers stuff and it brings back mostly good memories.

I don’t even think it’s a question, it will absolutely be retired.
- ClaudeFather

Only if he makes the HHOF. Still on the fence for that happening. If he gets to 1000 points maybe, but otherwise Im would lean no.

Clarke and Parent were the first inductees in 1988 and there have been 18 players inducted in the past 32 years, so you're right its been selective up to this point. I hope it stays that way and the bar is set high.
- jd250

Here is the list I looked up…
https://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin/fhof.cgi

The bar is set at about the top 1% of potentials so very high indeed.

Only if he makes the HHOF. Still on the fence for that happening. If he gets to 1000 points maybe, but otherwise Im would lean no.
- MBFlyerfan

#28 should be retired here HHOF or not

What he told Jay Greenberg was that he enjoyed the 1996-97 season and was happy to come to Philly. Wish he'd been healthier. Did not enjoy the remainder and didn't think Clarke handled his departure well. Said that he has great memories of beating the Rangers in the ECF. Still gets asked to autograph a lot of Flyers stuff and it brings back mostly good memories.
- bmeltzer

I would nominate Jay Greenberg, his work lives on in fans like me who started following the team and like to look back on it’s history.

#28 should be retired here HHOF or not
- ClaudeFather

Yeah, that's not the way it works.

But if anyone broke the tradition, it would be Giroux.

Yeah, that's not the way it works.

But if anyone broke the tradition, it would be Giroux.
- MBFlyerfan

Oh is it an actual requirement?