Back to hockey. Flyers Joe Farabaee, has been extended, signed for 6 years at 5M AAV, beginning next year after his ELC expires. 107 NHL games played in his first two years with 28 goals and 31 helpers. They must expect big things from him.

Reminds me of the Debrincat situation when he signed his 6.4M extension with one year left on his ELC. He had better numbers after his 2 seasons warranting the 6.4M.

Wonder how this would affect Kubalik's ask.
- boilermaker100

It would be great if they could sign him to a contract like that, but i think Kubs is pretty confident and he's going to bet on himself having another good year.

Sage, let it go. You aren't going to change their minds.
- BetweenTheDots

Not true. Discussion is important. Your post suggests that the purpose of discussion is to make others see things your way. Per se evidence of a closed mind. But, not a surprise.

Not true. Discussion is important. Your post suggests that the purpose of discussion is to make others see things your way. Per se evidence of a closed mind. But, not a surprise.
- mohel

Okay instigator

Scientific evidence (the kind you have absolutely no clue about) shows that climate change is responsible for more storms, and more intense storms - they have higher wind levels, higher rain counts.

It's also a major factor in the fires in the west - higher temperatures, less rain (unlike in the south and northeast), more wind, more fire spread.

Mods, it's your job to keep posters like this from spreading lies on the boards you control (although I wouldn't be surprised to see them suspend me again).
- StLBravesFan

I am against anyone getting suspended here. We are adults (I think) and we can filter out posts we want to read and react to and don't. It shouldn't be someone's job to do that for us. It's called "ignore". (And for the record I have had my fair share of suspensions on this site).

I think though you are missing out on environmental policies that have caused fires to be worse in the west. It's easy to just look at one factor. Many factors make up a complex issue.

Back to hockey. Flyers Joe Farabaee, has been extended, signed for 6 years at 5M AAV, beginning next year after his ELC expires. 107 NHL games played in his first two years with 28 goals and 31 helpers. They must expect big things from him.

Reminds me of the Debrincat situation when he signed his 6.4M extension with one year left on his ELC. He had better numbers after his 2 seasons warranting the 6.4M.

Wonder how this would affect Kubalik's ask.
- boilermaker100

I’d go with 4 years at $5 million for Kubalik, maybe 5 years.

Back to hockey. Flyers Joe Farabaee, has been extended, signed for 6 years at 5M AAV, beginning next year after his ELC expires. 107 NHL games played in his first two years with 28 goals and 31 helpers. They must expect big things from him.

Reminds me of the Debrincat situation when he signed his 6.4M extension with one year left on his ELC. He had better numbers after his 2 seasons warranting the 6.4M.

Wonder how this would affect Kubalik's ask.
- boilermaker100

Wtf are they thinking?!?! You can't judge a player after a mere 107 games!

Imo, it is best to pay them in their prime years (we recently learned that it is all downhill after 27), rather than for past performance. Just have to pick the right ones to pay.

So with Mittelstadt signing for $2.5M/3 years, how does that impact Dach? Maybe 3x3? Also, the Hawks have quantity as far as forwards are concerned, I would expect some moves before the season starts. Although trading quantity for quality is challenging, that would be the best outcome.

Back to hockey. Flyers Joe Farabaee, has been extended, signed for 6 years at 5M AAV, beginning next year after his ELC expires. 107 NHL games played in his first two years with 28 goals and 31 helpers. They must expect big things from him.

Reminds me of the Debrincat situation when he signed his 6.4M extension with one year left on his ELC. He had better numbers after his 2 seasons warranting the 6.4M.

Wonder how this would affect Kubalik's ask.
- boilermaker100

Yeah, the Farabee deal kind of surprised me. One season below and one above 0.5PPG and he garners 6X$5M? I know ADB's was a bridge deal but he is head and shoulders above that.

I’d go with 4 years at $5 million for Kubalik, maybe 5 years.
- DarthKane

That would be a solid deal, imo. Would you wait to see this year, or do it this summer?

The 'Hawks had a pretty sound foundation, then they drafted Toews and Kane. Then they brought in Hossa.
It's likely going to be a similar combination of drafting and otherwise acquiring talent to get them to the top of the heap.
Meanwhile, I guesstimate they will be vastly improved on the defensive end this year.
- 35Tony0

I think you are right, they should be better in the Dzone and I think also better in the neutral zone, defending their own blueline and denying entry.

The goaltending should be more solid with a future HoF goalie leading the way.

I also like that we have a RH Dman who is good on the powerplay. Keith was a solid player for so long, but frustrating at times on the PP.

The big unknown could still be the injury bug, but I'd like to hope the Hawks start the year with less impactful injuries than last season. I think they will move the needle a bit in terms of shots for/against but hard to say.

So with Mittelstadt signing for $2.5M/3 years, how does that impact Dach? Maybe 3x3? Also, the Hawks have quantity as far as forwards are concerned, I would expect some moves before the season starts. Although trading quantity for quality is challenging, that would be the best outcome.
- Angotti

Dach's next deal will all come down to this season, in my opinion. He's shown really strong in streaks, but needs to be able to show some consistency. It would obviously help if he can stay healthy enough to do so.

I think your second thought is right on. Unless the Hawks are hedging that they will ultimately need to fill a taxi squad of some sort, they will make some moves.

I’d go with 4 years at $5 million for Kubalik, maybe 5 years.
- DarthKane

My guess is something like 2 x 5.5 M setting him up to get a bigger raise after two seasons. I think if they can nail him down for anything under 5 though I'd be really happy.

So with Mittelstadt signing for $2.5M/3 years, how does that impact Dach? Maybe 3x3? Also, the Hawks have quantity as far as forwards are concerned, I would expect some moves before the season starts. Although trading quantity for quality is challenging, that would be the best outcome.
- Angotti

Contract year for Dach so we'll see if he steps up. I can see a 3 year bridge for somewhere around the 3M you mentioned.

Dach's next deal will all come down to this season, in my opinion. He's shown really strong in streaks, but needs to be able to show some consistency. It would obviously help if he can stay healthy enough to do so.

I think your second thought is right on. Unless the Hawks are hedging that they will ultimately need to fill a taxi squad of some sort, they will make some moves.
- Chunk

I think with Dach, the Hawks might be willing to exceed our estimates on AAV to lock him up longer term, because they see him as the next face of the franchise. The performance will have to be there, but he will get every opportunity to play with his offensive minded teammates, because if he produces, it will mean a guy that will sell jerseys and put butts in seats. They want him to be a superstar.

Dach's next deal will all come down to this season, in my opinion. He's shown really strong in streaks, but needs to be able to show some consistency. It would obviously help if he can stay healthy enough to do so.

I think your second thought is right on. Unless the Hawks are hedging that they will ultimately need to fill a taxi squad of some sort, they will make some moves.
- Chunk

Might see some moves during training camp if some players get injured or don't pan out as expected. It's easy to say move Strome and Connolly but it also takes some team to want or need them.

I think with Dach, the Hawks might be willing to exceed our estimates on AAV to lock him up longer term, because they see him as the next face of the franchise. The performance will have to be there, but he will get every opportunity to play with his offensive minded teammates, because if he produces, it will mean a guy that will sell jerseys and put butts in seats. They want him to be a superstar.
- breadbag

I think deBrincat is the next new face of the franchise. Yes, the organization wants Dach to very much succeed but he needs to earn the big bucks. Due to his youth, early entry into the league and wrist injury, he hasn't been able to show much in the first two years of his ELC. Even if he puts up 50 points, with his standing as an RFA, the Hawks have the control and a 3 x 3M bridge is reasonable. If he continues to produce he can be rewarded next contract. Just my opinion.

I think deBrincat is the next new face of the franchise. Yes, the organization wants Dach to very much succeed but he needs to earn the big bucks. Due to his youth, early entry into the league and wrist injury, he hasn't been able to show much in the first two years of his ELC. Even if he puts up 50 points, with his standing as an RFA, the Hawks have the control and a 3 x 3M bridge is reasonable. If he continues to produce he can be rewarded next contract. Just my opinion.
- boilermaker100

I'm not saying you are wrong, but just that it wouldn't surprise me for them to go bigger in term and value.

I think deBrincat is the next new face of the franchise. Yes, the organization wants Dach to very much succeed but he needs to earn the big bucks. Due to his youth, early entry into the league and wrist injury, he hasn't been able to show much in the first two years of his ELC. Even if he puts up 50 points, with his standing as an RFA, the Hawks have the control and a 3 x 3M bridge is reasonable. If he continues to produce he can be rewarded next contract. Just my opinion.
- boilermaker100

I hope Dach wants to gamble on himself with a short term deal for the reasons you suggest. The reason I hope so is that it will tell me something about his makeup - that he knows he's going to be very good. I think he will, especially if he believes it, too.

I hope Dach wants to gamble on himself with a short term deal for the reasons you suggest. The reason I hope so is that it will tell me something about his makeup - that he knows he's going to be very good. I think he will, especially if he believes it, too.
- mohel

I have to admit that so far pretty much everything we hear about his character is very positive and mature for his age.

I have to admit that so far pretty much everything we hear about his character is very positive and mature for his age.
- breadbag

I wanted to add, I would love to see JC give him the shutdown C role and let him run with it. Get him out there frustrating opposition at both ends.

I have to admit that so far pretty much everything we hear about his character is very positive and mature for his age.
- breadbag

I agree about him; I'm a fan. I think he will tell the team he wants to wait until after the season to talk about the next deal.

What is everyone's feeling on Tyler Johnson this year? I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a bit of a resurgence. I think he can likely get back to playing 17-18 minutes a game seeing the new opportunity. Maybe even we see him playing on Toews RW and Kubalik on the LW.

I wanted to add, I would love to see JC give him the shutdown C role and let him run with it. Get him out there frustrating opposition at both ends.
- breadbag

Toews' line was always a line that shut down the other side's best line, AND provided offense. That's what I hope (and believe) Dach will become. Not necessarily as good as Johnny, but similar all-around style.

What is everyone's feeling on Tyler Johnson this year? I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a bit of a resurgence. I think he can likely get back to playing 17-18 minutes a game seeing the new opportunity. Maybe even we see him playing on Toews RW and Kubalik on the LW.
- breadbag

No doubt he has a much more open path to Top 6 or Middle 6 minutes. If he's healthy enough, I would bet he gets that many minutes.

Toews' line was always a line that shut down the other side's best line, AND provided offense. That's what I hope (and believe) Dach will become. Not necessarily as good as Johnny, but similar all-around style.
- mohel

Not sure that is true... how many times have I seen on here posters argue how valuable Kruger was as a 4C because he shutdown the other teams best line? Bolland too.

Unless the Hawks had 2 lines on the ice at the same time both can't be true. Either we overvalue Kruger/Bolland or we overvalue the Toews' line over the years.