Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
Sep 2 @ 4:06 PM ET
Your American question makes my point even stronger!!! There’s been none because they won’t sign here so stop getting horny over the idea AM will stay because he won’t.
MM is more than fine and as long as he’s kept beside talented C’s he’ll remain solid.
So dump guys like Matthews and replace him with younger talent - Dozzer
American NHL'ers have signed to stay with Canadian teams.
AM is 23...how much younger do we need?
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Sep 2 @ 4:11 PM ET
Here some of the top producing American players over the past 5 years:
Kane
Wheeler
Gaudreau
Matthews
Carlson
Kessel
Eichel
Tkachuk
Guentzel
Miller
None of those guys have left a Canadian team to go "home", and Wheeler, Gaudreau, Kessel, Tkachuk and Miller have either been or are active are happily playing in a Canadian market.
Looking further down the list, names that might stand out: Pacioretty, JVR . . .I mean these guys didn't leave for America, per se. Patches was traded and JVR was offered a metric f*ckton of money to go the Flyers. We didn't even make an offer.
There are a number of Americans happily existing in a Canadian market - Boeser, Connor, Petry, Copp . . .
I'm with you. I don't know. - Monkeypunk
From what I understand, there's a huge tax advantage to being an American, playing for a Canadian team, if they structure your contract correctly (bonuses paid out on July 1).
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Sep 2 @ 4:11 PM ET
I will say this though…. One of the “Big 4” have to go to get better defense.
It’s not going to be Tavares so I think they’ll have to balance between trade value and the ability to resign the other 3 in order to decide who to trade.
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
Sep 2 @ 4:12 PM ET
He’s already going downhill imo.
Let me toss this out there
He plays no more than 70 games this season - Dozzer
Serious question...what is he going downhill with?
He has more goals
He has more pts
He played more physical.
But he was shut down...well the whole first line was shut down for 3 games by Montreal's top shut down line....who did the same to other top lines in subsequent rounds.
If after the wrist surgery, we see a huge drop in play, pts and goals and performance, than yes...at that time we can he may be going downhill....in fact I wouldnt even say that then, he could just have an off recovery year and come back firing it up (A Crow reference thank you very much!) the year after. But if he has two off years in a row...then yes....we could say he is going downhill.
But as of today...nothing suggest he is going downhill.
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
Sep 2 @ 4:15 PM ET
He’s already going downhill imo.
Let me toss this out there
He plays no more than 70 games this season - Dozzer
Serious question...what is he going downhill with?
He has more goals
He has more pts
He played more physical.
But he was shut down...well the whole first line was shut down for 3 games by Montreal's top shut down line....who did the same to other top lines in subsequent rounds.
If after the wrist surgery, we see a huge drop in play, pts and goals and performance, than yes...at that time we can he may be going downhill....in fact I wouldnt even say that then, he could just have an off recovery year and come back firing it up (A Crow reference thank you very much!) the year after. But if he has two off years in a row...then yes....we could say he is going downhill.
But as of today...nothing suggest he is going downhill.
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Sep 2 @ 4:16 PM ET
1. Love the Leafs.
2. Not a Dubas hater at all...not the way you're implying.
3. Tampa lost 3rd LINERS. We are losing 1st LINERS. Apples to oranges.
4. Tampa was pretty sure about their ability to win in the playoffs, not just the first round. Their 1st round loss was an anomaly and the list of their playoff success before and after has been posted many of times on these boards.
5. Tampa didn't let Hedman walk...not that I'm comparing Hedman/Rielly but he is our supposed #1D. So Coleman v Rielly = Apples v Oranges again.
6. DGAF about other teams and what they do or don't do, but letting top tier talent walk for nothing is not as common as some of you are trying to make it and usually the result of a cap management issue. 3rd tier, sure. 2nd tier sometimes. 1st tier not as common.
If you have managed your cap and prospects/picks properly you should always be able to afford you core talent and surround them with ELCs and other FA pieces...and that means forwards and DEFENSE and GOALIE.
Tampa: Apples because they are built for playoffs and have a balanced roster and all the KEY pieces to for Cup contention:
Stamkos - great deal
Kucherov - great deal
Point - fu3king amazing deal, both of them
+++ great, real NHL supporting players playing on the right level.
Hedman - great deal
Cernak - great deal
Sergachev - had to lose Drouin to get him and SMART FU3KING MOVE...trade Marner.
+++ great, real NHL support players playing the on the right level
Vas - REAL DEAL and expensive but didn't blow their load on 3 forwards and can afford him.
+Nice system of prospects.
Leafs: Oranges because they have 40% of the cap locked to 3 forwards and a litany of players playing in positions above their actual talent because the Leafs can only afford them, not built for Cup contention:
Matthews - #1C
Marner - very expensive winger
JT - very expensive #2C
Nylander - fair deal
(you can go look at prospects for Tampa v Leafs but we not winning there either)
Like I said, Apples v Oranges.
Sometimes teams are better positioned to let players walk and sometimes they're not.
The Leafs, as they are built right now, are NOT contenders IMO and should NOT be letting any player walk for nothing.
If the Leafs can balance the forward and defense a little better and then are sure they have the #1G to get them all the way, sure let Rielly walk. They're not there yet.
Plain and simple. But that's just my opinion. - underhill14
It’s hard for anyone but Zezel to argue that we’re there right now but I would never argue with Zezel.
The fact remains that we have this season, the following season and the one after that until Matthews, Nylander, Muzzin and Brodie’s contracts are up. IMO, time is a pretty significant asset that needs to be managed for this franchise.
I’ve been reading how bad Rielly is but he eats minutes that we can’t replace internally. Everybody knows how we got to where we are. Spending all that money on 4 forwards is terrible when, during the playoffs, two don’t live up to their contracts and one is injured.
Either way, that’s where we are. So the options are give the old Leafy try with Reilly and try to sign him over the course of the year. Trade him now for the mythical picks and prospects but accept that you’ve weakened your shot this year. Trade him for a real replacement - best but probably not realistic option.
Location: Not here to sell jerseys , ON Joined: 07.06.2007
Sep 2 @ 4:18 PM ET
1. Love the Leafs.
2. Not a Dubas hater at all...not the way you're implying.
3. Tampa lost 3rd LINERS. We are losing 1st LINERS. Apples to oranges.
4. Tampa was pretty sure about their ability to win in the playoffs, not just the first round. Their 1st round loss was an anomaly and the list of their playoff success before and after has been posted many of times on these boards.
5. Tampa didn't let Hedman walk...not that I'm comparing Hedman/Rielly but he is our supposed #1D. So Coleman v Rielly = Apples v Oranges again.
6. DGAF about other teams and what they do or don't do, but letting top tier talent walk for nothing is not as common as some of you are trying to make it and usually the result of a cap management issue. 3rd tier, sure. 2nd tier sometimes. 1st tier not as common.
If you have managed your cap and prospects/picks properly you should always be able to afford you core talent and surround them with ELCs and other FA pieces...and that means forwards and DEFENSE and GOALIE.
Tampa: Apples because they are built for playoffs and have a balanced roster and all the KEY pieces to for Cup contention:
Stamkos - great deal
Kucherov - great deal
Point - fu3king amazing deal, both of them
+++ great, real NHL supporting players playing on the right level.
Hedman - great deal
Cernak - great deal
Sergachev - had to lose Drouin to get him and SMART FU3KING MOVE...trade Marner.
+++ great, real NHL support players playing the on the right level
Vas - REAL DEAL and expensive but didn't blow their load on 3 forwards and can afford him.
+Nice system of prospects.
Leafs: Oranges because they have 40% of the cap locked to 3 forwards and a litany of players playing in positions above their actual talent because the Leafs can only afford them, not built for Cup contention:
Matthews - #1C
Marner - very expensive winger
JT - very expensive #2C
Nylander - fair deal
(you can go look at prospects for Tampa v Leafs but we not winning there either)
Like I said, Apples v Oranges.
Sometimes teams are better positioned to let players walk and sometimes they're not.
The Leafs, as they are built right now, are NOT contenders IMO and should NOT be letting any player walk for nothing.
If the Leafs can balance the forward and defense a little better and then are sure they have the #1G to get them all the way, sure let Rielly walk. They're not there yet.
Plain and simple. But that's just my opinion. - underhill14
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Sep 2 @ 4:28 PM ET
Has cupsie knocked the blog offline with his double 5000 word essay/post? - winsix
Everything in the universe is made of one element, which is a note, a single note. But see the pigs don’t know that. The ponies don’t know that. Only we know that.
From what I understand, there's a huge tax advantage to being an American, playing for a Canadian team, if they structure your contract correctly (bonuses paid out on July 1).
It is a tax advantage over Canadians playing for Canadian teams. (Marner's tax bill is likely higher than Matthew's assuming Marner is paying Ontario tax)
But Matthews is very likely paying the same amount of tax now playing for the Leafs as he would if he was playing for Arizona.
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool Joined: 06.02.2010
Sep 2 @ 4:45 PM ET
It’s hard for anyone but Zezel to argue that we’re there right now but I would never argue with Zezel.
The fact remains that we have this season, the following season and the one after that until Matthews, Nylander, Muzzin and Brodie’s contracts are up. IMO, time is a pretty significant asset that needs to be managed for this franchise.
I’ve been reading how bad Rielly is but he eats minutes that we can’t replace internally. Everybody knows how we got to where we are. Spending all that money on 4 forwards is terrible when, during the playoffs, two don’t live up to their contracts and one is injured.
Either way, that’s where we are. So the options are give the old Leafy try with Reilly and try to sign him over the course of the year. Trade him now for the mythical picks and prospects but accept that you’ve weakened your shot this year. Trade him for a real replacement - best but probably not realistic option. - Canada Cup
All of what you say makes sense CC, no sarcasm.
Here's the point within my point... there are only 3 options:
1. if Rielly won't sign a contract now, this summer, he is obviously holding out to go UFA;
2. or holding out to stay but have way more leverage later which will mean he is going to be too expensive unless someone else is traded;
3. He wants to stay and signs a team friendly deal this summer.
Dubas should, if he has any (frank)ing clue, no which one of those scenarios are more probable and act accordingly regardless of where this team "thinks" it's going.
Maybe this is the way Dubas keeps getting screwed in negotiations? Waiting.
He does seem to keep waiting too late to sign players giving them all the advantage and leverage in negotiations while the Leafs cap gets whittled away year after year by overpriced players. A million here and there is already hurting this team.
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Sep 2 @ 5:00 PM ET
Everything in the universe is made of one element, which is a note, a single note. But see the pigs don’t know that. The ponies don’t know that. Only we know that. - Canada Cup
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool Joined: 06.02.2010
Sep 2 @ 5:00 PM ET
It’s hard for anyone but Zezel to argue that we’re there right now but I would never argue with Zezel.
The fact remains that we have this season, the following season and the one after that until Matthews, Nylander, Muzzin and Brodie’s contracts are up. IMO, time is a pretty significant asset that needs to be managed for this franchise.
I’ve been reading how bad Rielly is but he eats minutes that we can’t replace internally. Everybody knows how we got to where we are. Spending all that money on 4 forwards is terrible when, during the playoffs, two don’t live up to their contracts and one is injured.
Either way, that’s where we are. So the options are give the old Leafy try with Reilly and try to sign him over the course of the year. Trade him now for the mythical picks and prospects but accept that you’ve weakened your shot this year. Trade him for a real replacement - best but probably not realistic option. - Canada Cup
If that is McDavid taking the abuse, Nurse cross-checks Weber in the face next shift, and probably runs into Price accidently on purpose. I don't want Matthews fighting. Does Ovechkin fight? No. He may stir up some poop but its Wilson and others that take care of the rough stuff.
Crosby, Malkin, Perry, Getzlaf, P.Kane, Toews, Matthews, Stamkos, Bergeron, Jamie Benn, Aho all signed for 5 years after their entry level.
Tavares, Pastrnak, Seguin, F.Forsberg, Barkov, Gaudreau all signed for 6 years after their entry level.
And there are plenty more high draft picks/high end players with comparable numbers that signed for 5 or 6 years after entry level deals.
This notion that because Matthews signed for 5 years he's doing it to get to UFA status as fast as possible to sign elsewhere is weird since he isn't this first to do this.
Is the AAV high on Matthews? Maybe, its lower % cap than Crosby and Malkin when they signed and only Malkin and Stamkos in that group have more goals but Matthews had almost 20 more 5v5 goals than either of them after their first three years in the league. - harps43
In fact, Matthews said he wanted more term ..they just couldn't get the #. He's not going anywhere. They paid him, they fired Babcock, he'll be wearing the C within 2 yrs and he'll be hoisting a Cup or 3 in no time.
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Sep 2 @ 5:21 PM ET
In fact, Matthews said he wanted more term ..they just couldn't get the #. He's not going anywhere. They paid him, they fired Babcock, he'll be wearing the C within 2 yrs and he'll be hoisting a Cup or 3 in no time.
