Dammit is that what Tanner said?

Ok maybe I am 100% wrong


- Fakepartofme

YOU’RE NOT!!!

You said Rielly ain’t worth 8 and you’re 100% correct lol

That’s how I’m feeling as well… also.. if this upcoming season ends poorly it’s time to move Matthews as well. He’s got the NTC in his final year but the last TWO years of his contract he only gets about 8 million per season even tho his cap hit is still over 11.

That guy wants to move home (back to the states) and I firmly believe that.
- Dozzer

If Matthews is being traded we might as well retain half and get a super kings ransom.

And then might as well do the same with Nylander and Marner too, because trading Matthews would mean full rebuild time.

Agree with this. I like Rielly at the current number but for the following issues he's not the #1 D-man the Leafs require.

1) Soft - not a hitter, not a fighter, can take away the puck and outskate but not a phsical presence.
2) Lacks a rocket of a point shot. He's an excellent handler of the puck, can make a nice tape to tape pass, but no goalie fears his shot, especially on the PP
3) Only one great season and looks to be an outlyer at this point. Has digressed since scoring 72 points in 2018-19. Can he do it again - probably.
4) Not a RHD, Leafs have depth on the LHS, not so much on the RHS
- winsix

Agree totally! I think he’s top pairing but as the second guy, not the top guy

Both Seth Jones very overrated and Muzzin very underrated - do those points merge, are they that far apart? Unfortunately, we don’t have Jimmy around to make sense of this and the world of politics anymore.
- Canada Cup

I feel so lost without him.

No, Im not 100% wrong....could be 60%

maybe 75%

Parayko is one of the better defensive Dmen in the league...Morgan...meh..
Morgan much more offensive for sure.

either way.....anything over 6.5 per and morgan can fack off.
- Fakepartofme

I like Parayko, but his play has been in decline over the past couple of seasons - possibly due to injuries that have mounted. He's still only 28, so I'd hope he bounces back into form. But if you look at the Parayko we all talk about - when he was 24, put up 35 points, was a positive play driver, a takeaway machine, and a guy who threw hits at a rate of 1.5/game while blocking 2 shots on average per game - that guy hasn't played for the last year and a half. Last year he threw about 1 hit / game, had significantly more giveaways than takeaways, and his takeaway numbers were drastically down as were his points and definitely his ability to drive the play was way down.

If Matthews is being traded we might as well retain half and get a super kings ransom.

And then might as well do the same with Nylander and Marner too, because trading Matthews would mean full rebuild time.
- Leafs43

Disagree. Move Matthews, his entire cap hit with it, get a poop ton of picks back and bump JT up to the line he’s being paid to play on.

That way the leafs will still be good but be able to re-establish an extremely talented prospect pile as well.

That’s how I’m feeling as well… also.. if this upcoming season ends poorly it’s time to move Matthews as well. He’s got the NTC in his final year but the last TWO years of his contract he only gets about 8 million per season even tho his cap hit is still over 11.

That guy wants to move home (back to the states) and I firmly believe that.
- Dozzer

Ive seen or heard nothing from him that suggest he wants to be back in the states yet.
So Im not sure about that....at this moment.

But even if you retool the leafs move out a piece or two of the 40m four....you dont trade Matthews unless you are 100% confirmed he isnt coming back. 100%.

If the leafs get tossed in the first round again, fire Dubas, get rid of keefe, move out one of Marner/willie and bring in new eyes and a new mentality.

Trading Matthews is going nuclear.

Yup, I’d rather he get traded unless they firmly believe they’re a cup contender this year
- Dozzer

You know Dubas will believe this no matter what. I dont see them moving Morgan mid season if they have a playoff spot.

If you had the choice between Parayko and Rielly at 6.5M.

Who would you take?

I feel like they are very different players so depending on what your team needs, some would favor one over the other, but their value is similar.
- Scabeh

A no brainer, Rielly all day. Parayko has scored 40 or more points exactly 0 times. For me Oleksiak is more of a comparable. Oleksiak does not score as much as Parayko, however hits hard unlike Parayko. Unfortunately, Paryko is a gentle big defender, softer than a twinkie for his size.

Yup, I’d rather he get traded unless they firmly believe they’re a cup contender this year
- Dozzer

They firmly believe they want to win the Cup this and will try their darnedest. A trade is fine is they can bring somebody back but Joe Picksnprospects can’t play 20 minutes a night for them.

Agree with this. I like Rielly at the current number but for the following issues he's not the #1 D-man the Leafs require.

1) Soft - not a hitter, not a fighter, can take away the puck and outskate but not a phsical presence.
2) Lacks a rocket of a point shot. He's an excellent handler of the puck, can make a nice tape to tape pass, but no goalie fears his shot, especially on the PP
3) Only one great season and looks to be an outlyer at this point. Has digressed since scoring 72 points in 2018-19. Can he do it again - probably.
4) Not a RHD, Leafs have depth on the LHS, not so much on the RHS
- winsix

I agree with points 2 & 3. I'm less interested with point 1. I don't need my "franchise" defenseman getting into fights and being off the ice for 5 or more minutes or getting hurt doing stupid crap. I want him big, strong, tough, able to control bodies in front of the net and win battles on the wall as required. The ability to throw a solid hit, as you note, is important because it gives the opposition something to think about on the rush.

I'm also less concerned about point 4 just because your #1 D can be on the right or left side. If the guy is good enough, then I wouldn't care about which side he was on.

Rielly does think the game quickly enough to be a top-pairing guy, he's an excellent passer and a great skater. I couldn't imagine giving him $8m, though. That would be crazy. He has too many holes to be worth more than Krug or Faulk who have similar holes in their games.

Ive seen or heard nothing from him that suggest he wants to be back in the states yet.
So Im not sure about that....at this moment.

But even if you retool the leafs move out a piece or two of the 40m four....you dont trade Matthews unless you are 100% confirmed he isnt coming back. 100%.

If the leafs get tossed in the first round again, fire Dubas, get rid of keefe, move out one of Marner/willie and bring in new eyes and a new mentality.

Trading Matthews is going nuclear.
- Fakepartofme

Oh please if you can’t tell that about Matthews you’re a fool. If he doesn’t want to move back he would have been given 8 years. If you don’t realize that you’re a fool.

Marner isn’t going anywhere, no other team will take him without the leafs holding some of his salary so stop expecting it.

And stop whining about the coach and GM who FINALLY have their first full season together coming this year….you’re flat out in denial if you keep blaming who you blame

You know Dubas will believe this no matter what. I dont see them moving Morgan mid season if they have a playoff spot.


- Fakepartofme

Then let him walk for free if the team doesn’t play well. Still better than over paying him

They firmly believe they want to win the Cup this and will try their darnedest. A trade is fine is they can bring somebody back but Joe Picksnprospects can’t play 20 minutes a night for them.
- Canada Cup

If you move Rielly and Matthews the team will still be damn good.

Get the picks on top of that and that’s nothing short of extremely intelligent

They firmly believe they want to win the Cup this and will try their darnedest. A trade is fine is they can bring somebody back but Joe Picksnprospects can’t play 20 minutes a night for them.
- Canada Cup

I think if one were to believe Rielly is the difference between Cup or bust... They would be incredibly off base.

Terrible defence and predictable offence is not that difficult of a combination to replace.

Disagree. Move Matthews, his entire cap hit with it, get a poop ton of picks back and bump JT up to the line he’s being paid to play on.

That way the leafs will still be good but be able to re-establish an extremely talented prospect pile as well.
- Dozzer

I wouldn't move Matthews just yet. I think you have to see if Matthews is willing to re-up with the Leafs when he's a UFA. Without question the best pure goal scorer the Leafs have ever had. Because JT and Marner's deals both expire when McDavid's deal is up, it will make sense to replace JT's 11 million with a new deal for McDavid if that is possible. JT will be signing for much less on his next deal.

Oh please if you can’t tell that about Matthews you’re a fool. If he doesn’t want to move back he would have been given 8 years. If you don’t realize that you’re a fool.

Marner isn’t going anywhere, no other team will take him without the leafs holding some of his salary so stop expecting it.

And stop whining about the coach and GM who FINALLY have their first full season together coming this year….you’re flat out in denial if you keep blaming who you blame
- Dozzer

I think Matthews was setting a new precedent. I think if covid didn't happen the contracts would continue to be stupid and not just for the leafs as well as shorter contracts. I think players are scared, even top ones, of the future with lockouts/escrow and want term.

If you move Rielly and Matthews the team will still be damn good.

Get the picks on top of that and that’s nothing short of extremely intelligent
- Dozzer

Holl as our #3 defenseman and Kerfoot as our #2 center doesn't scream "damn good" to me.

It sounds like a playoff bubble team.

Oh please if you can’t tell that about Matthews you’re a fool. If he doesn’t want to move back he would have been given 8 years. If you don’t realize that you’re a fool.

Marner isn’t going anywhere, no other team will take him without the leafs holding some of his salary so stop expecting it.

And stop whining about the coach and GM who FINALLY have their first full season together coming this year….you’re flat out in denial if you keep blaming who you blame
- Dozzer

Add me to the fools list. (You might have had me there already). Not going 8 years doesn’t mean he necessarily wants to go to the States. He thought it put him in the best position to maximize his next contract.

I wouldn't move Matthews just yet. I think you have to see if Matthews is willing to re-up with the Leafs when he's a UFA. Without question the best pure goal scorer the Leafs have ever had. Because JT and Marner's deals both expire when McDavid's deal is up, it will make sense to replace JT's 11 million with a new deal for McDavid if that is possible. JT will be signing for much less on his next deal.
- winsix

Oh please the oilers will tell McDavid “let us know whatever you’re offered and we’ll pay you more”

Get rid of Matthews, he’s talented but he’s an American who wants to move to his home country at the bare minimum. Also after this year there’s two seasons left in his contract and the last one has the NMC.

I think Matthews was setting a new precedent. I think if covid didn't happen the contracts would continue to be stupid and not just for the leafs as well as shorter contracts. I think players are scared, even top ones, of the future with lockouts/escrow and want term.
- Aaron_85

Stop thinking it’s about dollars… he’ll get paid whatever he wants wherever he wants plain and simple.

Oh please the oilers will tell McDavid “let us know whatever you’re offered and we’ll pay you more”

Get rid of Matthews, he’s talented but he’s an American who wants to move to his home country at the bare minimum. Also after this year there’s two seasons left in his contract and the last one has the NMC.
- Dozzer

Which begs the question... If Matthews wants to go home so bad he would leave boatloads of money and the market he's currently in... Why wouldn't McDavid?🤔

Holl as our #3 defenseman and Kerfoot as our #2 center doesn't scream "damn good" to me.

It sounds like a playoff bubble team.
- Leafs43

Yes but you’ll have a significant amount of cap space available so you can keep Holl at 4 and keep Kerfoot on the 3rd line

Oh please if you can’t tell that about Matthews you’re a fool. If he doesn’t want to move back he would have been given 8 years. If you don’t realize that you’re a fool.

Marner isn’t going anywhere, no other team will take him without the leafs holding some of his salary so stop expecting it.

And stop whining about the coach and GM who FINALLY have their first full season together coming this year….you’re flat out in denial if you keep blaming who you blame
- Dozzer

I would disagree with just about all of that.

Matthews' deal carries him to UFA where he was anticipated to get a larger payday because the cap was SUPPOSED to keep growing, especially after the renegotiated TV deals and expansion Kraken coming in. It was a financial deal more than it was a preference to leave Toronto. Matthews has been active agent trying to recruit players in Toronto and a leader on the team. I believe he'll stay and I believe he wants to.

If Toronto made Marner available there are a number of teams who would want him - even at his salary. It might be high, but Marner is a top-10 point producer in the league who adds all sorts of value. There were even guys like Friedman and LeBrun talking about how there would be massive interest if Toronto made him available back in June or July.

While I don't have many problems with what Dubas has done, let's face it - it hasn't worked yet. I am still optimistic about it, but like a lot of guys I have similar misgivings that we're too top heavy and haven't invested more into a real top-end D-Man. I would also fault Keefe for being too inflexible during the playoffs. It was clear that Montreal had made adjustments to counter Toronto's effectiveness, but Keefe didn't make any real adjustments in response. Strategically it was poor player management. If Marner and Matthews were having problems, but they are your elite guys - try separating them and seeing if something else gets them going. Try something.

I think it's been laid out for us to read the tea leaves - if the Leafs fail to get it done this year, Dubas, Keefe and probably a portion of the core players are all gone.

Add me to the fools list. (You might have had me there already). Not going 8 years doesn’t mean he necessarily wants to go to the States. He thought it put him in the best position to maximize his next contract.
- Canada Cup

Disagree whole heartedly.

He wants back in his home country.

Other than during the season he spends all his time there.