If he plays the way you've been talking him up, why wouldn't he ask for 7M?
- MJL

He can ask ...

Between him and tuomaala I am hoping to see some pucks hit the back of some nets

It's been way too long since we have last had a sniper like these kids
Allison may have the best of the 3, too
- Bob Habib

I like Allison, he reminds me of Tim Kerr but unfortunately he has the injury bug of Kerr also. We'll see how he develops. I do think Allison is making the big squad this year so hopefully he can play a lot of games and develop further. He has the size, mentality and shot the Flyers need desperately.

Fletcher gained $2.5M is AAV in the Jake deal, and traded Ghost's salary without taking any salary back. I think Fletcher did a masterful job of cap mgmt this off season and he will need to do it again next season. JVR is still a good player that can give a team 25+ goals in a season, thus for 1 year there will be a few contending teams that would take him even at his salary.
- jd250

We can look at the facts for any team and their salary cap picture. How many contending teams will have 7M in cap space to add a player with one year left?

He can ask ...
- jd250

So as a UFA, he'll be forced to accept lower than what he is asking for from the Flyers or does he have options?

We can look at the facts for any team and their salary cap picture. How many contending teams will have 7M in cap space to add a player with one year left?
- MJL

Well you start at the dumping ground of the NHL, Arizona and Columbus! There are actually a few teams that are in good cap shape, including Boston who I know would love JVR in their lineup.

I do too but the youth we have coming up is pretty nice to see! I haven't seen us this stocked up on talent awaiting their NHL debuts.
I've said it before but I will say it again... I am really excited about this upcoming season!
- Bob Habib

And this is the only reason why I think Fletcher was comfortable trading away this year's number 1 pick for Risto, because of players like Allison, Foerster and Tuomaala who all have top 6 potential. Also looking at development camp this year, the Flyers system has got to be at least top 5 in the league!

So as a UFA, he'll be forced to accept lower than what he is asking for from the Flyers or does he have options?
- MJL

Of course he has options, but don't underestimate a players comfort level and desire to win a cup. If Risto likes his role here, his teammates, his coaches and believes as I do this Flyers team is poised to win a cup in the next few years, he will make a fair deal to stay here. We have seen it this off season with the Flyers, and heck, it happens in Boston all the freak'n time!

Well you start at the dumping ground of the NHL, Arizona and Columbus! There are actually a few teams that are in good cap shape, including Boston who I know would love JVR in their lineup.
- jd250

Did you forget what you said previously?

"thus for 1 year there will be a few contending teams that would take him even at his salary."

How do you know that Boston would love JVR in their lineup? After this season, Boston has to re-sign McAvoy and Bergeron as well as DeBrusk. With the loss of Krejci, their biggest need is a center, not a winger. They also as of right now don't have a backup goalie and Rask isn't signed. Do the math.

And this is the only reason why I think Fletcher was comfortable trading away this year's number 1 pick for Risto, because of players like Allison, Foerster and Tuomaala who all have top 6 potential. Also looking at development camp this year, the Flyers system has got to be at least top 5 in the league!
- jd250

Wait a second, numerous times you said this past years draft was crap and that the 13th pick wasn't that valuable because of that. Now Tuomaala, who was selected in the 2nd round in the same draft that he traded the first round pick in, made him comfortable in giving up the pick? How can a player who wasn't even picked yet when he made the trade be part of the GM being comfortable in giving up the pick? Where is your logic here?

Of course he has options, but don't underestimate a players comfort level and desire to win a cup. If Risto likes his role here, his teammates, his coaches and believes as I do this Flyers team is poised to win a cup in the next few years, he will make a fair deal to stay here. We have seen it this off season with the Flyers, and heck, it happens in Boston all the freak'n time!
- jd250

So then your comment of he can ask made no sense whatsoever. Again, just like you know Boston will take JVR, you know what Ristolainen will do? What's a fair deal? Your version of it or what Ristolanen thinks is a fair deal. What have we seen with the Flyers this off season?

Did you forget what you said previously?

"thus for 1 year there will be a few contending teams that would take him even at his salary."

How do you know that Boston would love JVR in their lineup? After this season, Boston has to re-sign McAvoy and Bergeron as well as DeBrusk. With the loss of Krejci, their biggest need is a center, not a winger. They also as of right now don't have a backup goalie and Rask isn't signed. Do the math.
- MJL

Rask wants to come back, but he has 0 leverage and its not clear the Bruins even want him back at this point; a lot will depend on how Swayman develops. Also, DeBrusk is not in their plans, they have been trying to unload him. The Bruins are in a good spot cap wise. Replacing Krejci is their biggest need this season, but not next season which is the timeframe we are talking about.

Fletcher gained $2.5M is AAV in the Jake deal, and traded Ghost's salary without taking any salary back. I think Fletcher did a masterful job of cap mgmt this off season and he will need to do it again next season. JVR is still a good player that can give a team 25+ goals in a season, thus for 1 year there will be a few contending teams that would take him even at his salary.
- jd250

Fletcher gained 2.5M per year for 3 yrs but added 5.9M for the 4th...Fletcher gave up a 2nd round pick to have someone take GHOST...Nothing masterful about either move

Fletcher gained 2.5M per year for 3 yrs but added 5.9M for the 4th...Fletcher gave up a 2nd round pick to have someone take GHOST...Nothing masterful about either move
- hfc355

to each his own ..

Fletcher gained 2.5M per year for 3 yrs but added 5.9M for the 4th...Fletcher gave up a 2nd round pick to have someone take GHOST...Nothing masterful about either move
- hfc355

This!

So now I see that Farabee has been signed long term. Gonna make that cap space even tighter going into next season. Another fly in the ointment in retaining Giroux. He better be ready to take a hometown discount or he may end up playing in his REAL hometown next year. Just sayin...........

So now I see that Farabee has been signed long term. Gonna make that cap space even tighter going into next season. Another fly in the ointment in retaining Giroux. He better be ready to take a hometown discount or he may end up playing in his REAL hometown next year. Just sayin...........
- Phillywhiteout

I like G, but gotta pay him on future performance, and not because he has been the captain and what he has done his last 10 years. He is no spring chicken

So then your comment of he can ask made no sense whatsoever. Again, just like you know Boston will take JVR, you know what Ristolainen will do? What's a fair deal? Your version of it or what Ristolanen thinks is a fair deal. What have we seen with the Flyers this off season?
- MJL

I didn't say what Risto would do, I simply stated not to underestimate a players need for comfort and desire for winning. Its not always about the money!

Wait a second, numerous times you said this past years draft was crap and that the 13th pick wasn't that valuable because of that. Now Tuomaala, who was selected in the 2nd round in the same draft that he traded the first round pick in, made him comfortable in giving up the pick? How can a player who wasn't even picked yet when he made the trade be part of the GM being comfortable in giving up the pick? Where is your logic here?
- MJL

Yes, Toumaala was probably a bad example, so insert another young and up in coming player in his place. The point I am making is exactly the same, the Flyers system is stacked and that gave Fletcher a level of comfort in trading his top pick this draft.

Yes, Toumaala was probably a bad example, so insert another young and up in coming player in his place. The point I am making is exactly the same, the Flyers system is stacked and that gave Fletcher a level of comfort in trading his top pick this draft.
- jd250

I understood what you were saying.

Rask wants to come back, but he has 0 leverage and its not clear the Bruins even want him back at this point; a lot will depend on how Swayman develops. Also, DeBrusk is not in their plans, they have been trying to unload him. The Bruins are in a good spot cap wise. Replacing Krejci is their biggest need this season, but not next season which is the timeframe we are talking about.
- jd250

If Rask comes back or if it's another goalie, they still have to add that to their cap cost. If they unload DeBrusk, someone has to replace him. So they just need to replace Krejci this season and not next season? A lack of logic again. That adds to the cap cost. They are not in a good spot cap wide to take on JVR's full 7M cap hit. Again, do the math. McAvoy and Bergeron are conservatively going to take up 13M or so of the 21M. Add in JVR, that puts them at 20M. They're going to fill up all the other spots with 1.4M in cap space. Do the math.


Top contending teams are far more likely to have interest in JVR during the 22/23 season at the trade deadline then they are at the beginning of the season.

I didn't say what Risto would do, I simply stated not to underestimate a players need for comfort and desire for winning. Its not always about the money!
- jd250

Hang your hopes on it's not always about the money. Good strategy.

Yes, Toumaala was probably a bad example, so insert another young and up in coming player in his place. The point I am making is exactly the same, the Flyers system is stacked and that gave Fletcher a level of comfort in trading his top pick this draft.
- jd250

Remember when the Flyers system was stacked with young defenseman? Your backtracking on the draft sucks so the first round pick is worth less and then the guy they took in the 2nd round of that same sucky draft now is valued. Just another example of the inconsistencies.

If Rask comes back or if it's another goalie, they still have to add that to their cap cost. If they unload DeBrusk, someone has to replace him. So they just need to replace Krejci this season and not next season? A lack of logic again. That adds to the cap cost. They are not in a good spot cap wide to take on JVR's full 7M cap hit. Again, do the math. McAvoy and Bergeron are conservatively going to take up 13M or so of the 21M. Add in JVR, that puts them at 20M. They're going to fill up all the other spots with 1.4M in cap space. Do the math.
- MJL

We don’t know what other changes occur in Boston. Not saying they want jvr just that they will make the moves that are necessary to ice a good team. Patrice could retire. Could take a one year one mil deal to compete one last time. De risk could be packaged for a center. Who knows. To do the math the actual numbers need to be present. Otherwise we are all just guessing.

Remember when the Flyers system was stacked with young defenseman? Your backtracking on the draft sucks so the first round pick is worth less and then the guy they took in the 2nd round of that same sucky draft now is valued. Just another example of the inconsistencies.
- MJL

I'm not backtracking on anything, I have stated and still believe if you are going to give up your number 1 pick, this was the draft to do it given all the uncertainties around it compared to past drafts.

You claim you want to and enjoy just discussing hockey, but this statement is the height of your inconsistency and hypocrisy because all you seem to want to do to me and others on this forum is try to disprove any point we are trying to make. I would say if you want to find inconsistencies, just look in the mirror.

Hang your hopes on it's not always about the money. Good strategy.
- MJL

There are jut too many examples of players taking less than what they could get in the open market to stay with team they like. Its amazing to me that you don't see this or want to acknowledge it. I'm not saying the Flyers should hang their hopes on this, I'm just saying don't underestimate a players desire to play for a team they like and/or win a cup.