Dach in the 45-55 point range would be fine with me as long as that's part of a gradual increase over the next few years.

His water level once he hits his peak is likely 70 points. I don't see him as a PPG or more player. Probably closer to Toews' type of offensive output.
- Theo Fox

55 would be fantastic any way you slice it.

Under. You’re like the Penguins but a different city. That’s all. No offence intended. Mediocrity does put butts in seats tho, so good for everybody I guess.

There's not many consistent 30-35 goal scorers in this league. Sharp was a sniper, more athletic and faster. He had his 25 and 35 goal years and that was always playing first or second line. As the paperwork from my stock broker always says: "past performance is not a guarantee of future outcomes."
- rpeters01

Kubalik played without a top 6 center last year and still managed to put up the same percentage of points. If you were investing in stock and Toews is coming back healthy you think Kubalik is going to be worse this year?

Good thing you have a broker to talk you out of bad investments

Then again you're the same guy who poops on all our prospects and young players. Going on and on and on about Cat, and he's only getting better

Saad is a 3rd line player. Kubalik is not better.
- rpeters01

Saad was top 6 on two cup winning teams, not to mention your definition of top 6 is (or at least has historically been) subjective. Saad also just finished putting up almost 1PPG in the playoffs.

Kubalik, in his two years in the NHL, has outscored Saad in each year (including one playing on the same team sometimes on the same line), and put up 8 pts in 9 games in the only playoff action he has seen.

If Toews is back, there is certainly no reason at all that Kubalik wouldn't be able to keep up and produce on his wing.

Saad was top 6 on two cup winning teams, not to mention your definition of top 6 is (or at least has historically been) subjective. Saad also just finished putting up almost 1PPG in the playoffs.

Kubalik, in his two years in the NHL, has outscored Saad in each year (including one playing on the same team sometimes on the same line), and put up 8 pts in 9 games in the only playoff action he has seen.

If Toews is back, there is certainly no reason at all that Kubalik wouldn't be able to keep up and produce on his wing.
- Chunk

My bad, Toews is 3C, so I guess you're right.

Kubalik played without a top 6 center last year and still managed to put up the same percentage of points. If you were investing in stock and Toews is coming back healthy you think Kubalik is going to be worse this year?

Good thing you have a broker to talk you out of bad investments

Then again you're the same guy who poops on all our prospects and young players. Going on and on and on about Cat, and he's only getting better
- BetweenTheDots

With your logic every players trajectory would be linear. I'll believe it when I see it just like I did with DCat and where are all the great prospects I've been wrong about? So far one. I never said Kubalik was bad BUT I'm not ready to call him a perennial 30-35 goal scorer just because he extrapolates to that.

Saad was top 6 on two cup winning teams, not to mention your definition of top 6 is (or at least has historically been) subjective. Saad also just finished putting up almost 1PPG in the playoffs.

Kubalik, in his two years in the NHL, has outscored Saad in each year (including one playing on the same team sometimes on the same line), and put up 8 pts in 9 games in the only playoff action he has seen.

If Toews is back, there is certainly no reason at all that Kubalik wouldn't be able to keep up and produce on his wing.
- Chunk

I've never been the person here putting Saad 3rd line everyone else was. I've always been a Saad lover not a Saad hater. That said, it was obvious he over priced himself and needed to go.

With your logic every players trajectory would be linear. I'll believe it when I see it just like I did with DCat and where are all the great prospects I've been wrong about? So far one. I never said Kubalik was bad BUT I'm not ready to call him a perennial 30-35 goal scorer just because he extrapolates to that.
- rpeters01

But if you follow numbers where's your evidence he'll be worse. I for sure would of thought, no Toews, no Dach, damn Kubalik is barely going to score. This tells me he's better than he was last year by performing better with inferior talent your logic well is illogical

I've never been the person here putting Saad 3rd line everyone else was. I've always been a Saad lover not a Saad hater. That said, it was obvious he over priced himself and needed to go.
- rpeters01

So why is that part of YOUR argument?

But if you follow numbers where's your evidence he'll be worse. I for sure would of thought, no Toews, no Dach, damn Kubalik is barely going to score. This tells me he's better than he was last year by performing better with inferior talent your logic well is illogical
- BetweenTheDots

My logic is you can count consistent 35 goal scorers on one hand. All your numbers are extrapolated let's see him actually do it a few times.

So why is that part of YOUR argument?
- Chunk

Work with me here. I needed him 3rd line for my argument with Kubs. I hope he Kubs is a 35 goal scorer but if so, you're looking at $8mil per year. His game doesn't pass the eye test for me at $8mil he doesn't control the puck enough.

Under. You’re like the Penguins but a different city. That’s all. No offence intended. Mediocrity does put butts in seats tho, so good for everybody I guess.
- Flamin_Irishmin

Is your under assessment for the Blackhawks as a team in general or their season in general? Or are you referring to a specific player?

Hagel-Toews-Kubalík line is one I’d like to see sometimes. Kubalík and Toews had nice chemistry and Hagel (or possibly Reichel) rounds out such line well.

Number for Kurashev seems low, but looking at the whole list, I hope THN is wrong in assuming he is not in the lineup very often (as opposed to Connolly or Carpenter).

Jones will get his points, he will be on every powerplay and encouraged to join the rush, even more so with McCabe or de Haan providing safety. Question marks are more on the defensive side of things right now.

Top 10 Prospects by THN is just lazy. Interesting to see Dach over Allan on Theo’s list, though, I am curious to see how their seasons go.

Hagel-Toews-Kubalík line is one I’d like to see sometimes. Kubalík and Toews had nice chemistry and Hagel (or possibly Reichel) rounds out such line well.

Number for Kurashev seems low, but looking at the whole list, I hope THN is wrong in assuming he is not in the lineup very often (as opposed to Connolly or Carpenter).

Jones will get his points, he will be on every powerplay and encouraged to join the rush, even more so with McCabe or de Haan providing safety. Question marks are more on the defensive side of things right now.
- stonefire

That's why I said "Even" not "Under."

That's why I said "Even" not "Under."
- rpeters01

That wasn’t aimed at you, but at THN. But yeah, I still see him Over, anyway, closer to 60.

Work with me here. I needed him 3rd line for my argument with Kubs. I hope he Kubs is a 35 goal scorer but if so, you're looking at $8mil per year. His game doesn't pass the eye test for me at $8mil he doesn't control the puck enough.
- rpeters01

This is why I can't work with you here. If you were just being facetious or making up a "pretend" argument to be funny, then sure. Otherwise the rest makes no sense.

You needed Saad to be 3rd line for your argument (but he isn't).
Potential salary was never brought into the equation until you did right now.
Potential salary is of no consequence to the argument of whether or not Kubalik is actual top six material. The entire discussion has centered on his ability.

That wasn’t aimed at you, but at THN. But yeah, I still see him Over, anyway, closer to 60.
- stonefire

I agree closer to 60 because
1) Hawks have more firepower than Columbus had
2) Jones and Kane most likely will be on the ice together more often than not and
3) As opposed to when playing in Columbus, Murphy can do some of the heavy lifting against the teams best lines, leaving Jones to play a more offensive role.

Honorable mentions for my top 10 are Galvas, Krys, and Wise.

I know, I'm pumping Wise's tires a lot but think there really is something there as long as the Hawks keep investing in him.

If fans like Kurashev, they'll like Wise. Similar players just different trajectories.
- Theo Fox

They really aren't similar. Wise is more finesse and Kurashev is the better skater by a quite a bit. Kurashev also has more physicality to his game.

I still like Wise as a prospect and if he can stay healthy at OSU, we hopefully see why at one point he was projected to be a 1st round pick before injuries slowed his development.

Saad is a 3rd line player. Kubalik is not better.
- rpeters01

50 points is a 2nd liner no matter what you believe. But then, you don't think Dinky is a top 6 player.

Hagel-Toews-Kubalík line is one I’d like to see sometimes. Kubalík and Toews had nice chemistry and Hagel (or possibly Reichel) rounds out such line well.

Number for Kurashev seems low, but looking at the whole list, I hope THN is wrong in assuming he is not in the lineup very often (as opposed to Connolly or Carpenter).

Jones will get his points, he will be on every powerplay and encouraged to join the rush, even more so with McCabe or de Haan providing safety. Question marks are more on the defensive side of things right now.

Top 10 Prospects by THN is just lazy. Interesting to see Dach over Allan on Theo’s list, though, I am curious to see how their seasons go.
- stonefire

There is no way Allan is the 2nd best prospect in the Hawks system. Commesso, Slaggert and Kaiser are all much better prospects.

There is no way Allan is the 2nd best prospect in the Hawks system. Commesso, Slaggert and Kaiser are all much better prospects.
- Elbows15

I don’t want to judge Allan just yet, but I have high hopes for all three you mentioned, Commesso especially. Slaggert is a very nice prospect, maybe under the radar a bit. Too soon to tell, but including Reichel and Phillips, 2020 Draft looks good for the Hawks already.

That wasn’t aimed at you, but at THN. But yeah, I still see him Over, anyway, closer to 60.
- stonefire

I was just agreeing. The only person I argue with all the time is my wife.

This is why I can't work with you here. If you were just being facetious or making up a "pretend" argument to be funny, then sure. Otherwise the rest makes no sense.

You needed Saad to be 3rd line for your argument (but he isn't).
Potential salary was never brought into the equation until you did right now.
Potential salary is of no consequence to the argument of whether or not Kubalik is actual top six material. The entire discussion has centered on his ability.
- Chunk

I don't think he Kubalik controls the puck or "dominates" play enough to be a top 6 guy at any price. How is that?

There is no way Allan is the 2nd best prospect in the Hawks system. Commesso, Slaggert and Kaiser are all much better prospects.
- Elbows15

Allan rated the 2nd prospect is simply absurd.

50 points is a 2nd liner no matter what you believe. But then, you don't think Dinky is a top 6 player.
- Elbows15

Come on give me a break, "didn't" I came around last year!