So a young defenseman who has proven he can handle 20 minutes plus in a top 4 role while putting up around the 30 point range with no PP time has not demonstrated whatsoever that he is worth more than that? Maybe in your world but not in the reality of the NHL.
- MJL

He's proven jack!! Last year Sanheim averaged the most minutes in his career, 21 minutes per game, and he had the worst season of this career, with a -22. And given the shambles that as the Flyers PP last season, why wasn't Sanheim getting PP time?? Because he is not that good!

I believe that Sanheim has not performed to a level that screams, "lock him up long-term." He'll get a 1-2 year deal. If he performs at a high level, great. Fletch can decide if he pays him or trades him. I do not believe Sanheim is a long-term priority for us. I agree that we cannot let him walk without having a replacement. Whether it is internal or via UFA or trade.

York is coming. I hear that Zamula is the second coming of someone.
- cdearth23

Remember when Myers and Sanheim were coming?

He's proven jack!! Last year Sanheim averaged the most minutes in his career, 21 minutes per game, and he had the worst season of this career, with a -22. And given the shambles that as the Flyers PP last season, why wasn't Sanheim getting PP time?? Because he is not that good!
- jd250

Hyperbole.

The entire team was putrid last year. What leg did Hart have to stand on after last year? Tell me who wasn't subpar and who didn't have a poor year last year?
- MJL

G, JVR and Allison

The team is clearly not comfortable going long term with him, at the moment.
- ClaudeFather

Again, how do you know that exactly?

The entire team was putrid last year. What leg did Hart have to stand on after last year? Tell me who wasn't subpar and who didn't have a poor year last year?
- MJL

Ok, the Team was way better the year before, but still Sanheim had only 25 points and was a +4. Decent numbers, but nothing special, and certainly not worth a long term deal at $5M+ per.

IMO, Sanheim hasn't proved himself to deserve much of a bump in pay during the last two seasons. I haven't seen a lot in the way of progress. I don't see how he gets anything more than 4.25-million per year on a two-year deal. That's 1-million extra per season for a guy that hasn't gotten noticeably better since his last deal. I think it's clear that CF doesn't see him as a long-term fit here at the money he will eventually make.
- dramado

The market is the market. Guy who plays 20-24 mins per night in tough usage, who has a demonstrated history of putting up points with little to no PP time? That's squarely $4-5M+ territory (see comparables I linked earlier). If Matheson is worth $4.8M, if Hanifin and Skjei are worth $5M+... well I'm sorry but then Travis Sanheim is worth that much too.

If that's too rich for your blood, then I hope the Flyers manage to somehow trade him for a cheaper, younger, better version of himself. If not, they're (frank)ed.

Cam Atkinson was a sixth round pick!!
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Hyperbole welcomed

He's not their best d prospect either tho...

(even arguably)
- Tomahawk

That is your opinion. A minority one at that.

Hyperbole.
- MJL

You keep using this word, but I don't think you know what this word means. I am quoting you statistical facts, I am not exaggerating anything here. The only exaggeration here is those that think Sanheim deserves a long term deal at big money. Tell me, what does Sanheim do exceptionally well that differentiates him from other defenseman either inside or outside of the Flyers organization?

He's proven jack!! Last year Sanheim averaged the most minutes in his career, 21 minutes per game, and he had the worst season of this career, with a -22. And given the shambles that as the Flyers PP last season, why wasn't Sanheim getting PP time?? Because he is not that good!
- jd250

Nearly every single player last season showed stagnation and regression.

How much player turnover has the club seen in the last decade, and still finds itself treading water or struggling to develop a star?

At some point one needs to look beyond the guys on the ice. You are giving off Facebook level authentic fan vibes. Don’t believe everything the Flyers media machine is feeding you.

The market is the market. Guy who plays 20-24 mins per night in tough usage, who has a demonstrated history of putting up points with little to no PP time? That's squarely $4-5M+ territory (see comparables I linked earlier). If Matheson is worth $4.8M, if Hanifin and Skjei are worth $5M+... well I'm sorry but then Travis Sanheim is worth that much too.

If that's too rich for your blood, then I hope the Flyers manage to somehow trade him for a cheaper, younger, better version of himself. If not, they're (frank)ed.
- Tomahawk

15 points, -22 in 55 games is demonstrating a history of putting up points in your book??

2-year deal takes him to UFA. Losing him for nothing would be poor asset management. And if it's one year and you look to trade him next summer, he's worth less w/o a cost-controlled contract in place.

Fletch painted himself into a corner here.
- Tomahawk

How so? It takes 2 parties to finalize a deal. Unless you know what Sanhero is asking for not sure how you can lay it all on the GM.

The cap imo has nothing to do with why they haven't come to terms on a contract. That being said the GM seems to overpay on a lot of his deals.

You keep using this word, but I don't think you know what this word means. I am quoting you statistical facts, I am not exaggerating anything here. The only exaggeration here is those that think Sanheim deserves a long term deal at big money. Tell me, what does Sanheim do exceptionally well that differentiates him from other defenseman either inside or outside of the Flyers organization?
- jd250

maybe look at Tomahawks post with comparables. No there should not be a long tern deal and I don't think either wants that, nor do the Flyers want him to be an FA at the end of this contract.

15 points, -22 in 55 games is demonstrating a history of putting up points in your book??
- jd250

I need to ask, is plus/minus something you are really going to stand on as some kind of pillar in this argument?

Yes, many have undervalued Sanheim.
- MJL

Many have overvalued him as well.

Nearly every single player last season showed stagnation and regression.

How much player turnover has the club seen in the last decade, and still finds itself treading water or struggling to develop a star?

At some point and time one needs to look beyond the guys on the ice. You are giving off Facebook level authentic fan vibes. Don’t believe everything the Flyers media machine is feeding you.
- FlyerFan3260

Nothing I am saying is coming from the Flyers media. I painstakingly watched each and every Flyers games last season, and my opinion of Sanheim is based on that and that alone. In fact at the beginning of the season, I felt, and posted that I thought Sanheim was their best defenseman, but as the season wore on and I watched more it was clear to me this guy has a lot of deficiencies. I mean he can skate and clearly can generate offense when he wants to, but once every 10 games or so to me is not worth a significant bump in salary.

That is your opinion. A minority one at that.
- hello it's me 2050

This is the part in the conversation where you post a list/article/etc supporting your POV.

Ok, the Team was way better the year before, but still Sanheim had only 25 points and was a +4. Decent numbers, but nothing special, and certainly not worth a long term deal at $5M+ per.
- jd250

Those point totals were from 69 gams played.

15 points, -22 in 55 games is demonstrating a history of putting up points in your book??
- jd250

Apparently nothing before 2020 counts.

I need to ask, is plus/minus something you are really going to stand on as some kind of pillar in this argument?
- FlyerFan3260

Why not? We lambasted Nolan Patrick for his -30 last year, well Sanheim had the 2nd worst +/- on the team last year! No one else was even close to these two in fact, the next one was Jake at -12. So its absolutely a legitimate stat to consider when making an argument.

The market is the market. Guy who plays 20-24 mins per night in tough usage, who has a demonstrated history of putting up points with little to no PP time? That's squarely $4-5M+ territory (see comparables I linked earlier). If Matheson is worth $4.8M, if Hanifin and Skjei are worth $5M+... well I'm sorry but then Travis Sanheim is worth that much too.

If that's too rich for your blood, then I hope the Flyers manage to somehow trade him for a cheaper, younger, better version of himself. If not, they're (frank)ed.
- Tomahawk

If Morgan Reilly is worth $5M Chychrun $4.6M and Klingberg is $4.2. Then sanheim should be around $3M. We can cherry pick contracts all day

So you think they would have been comfortable going long term with him, what would that have looked like towards $6M? I don’t see him worth that, team probably didn’t either.
- ClaudeFather

What are you talking about in terms of long term. A 4 or 5 year deal? Yes, I do think they would be comfortable with that at the right number.

Those point totals were from 69 gams played.
- MJL

Right so he is just under 30 points for an 82 game season. Is this special? Is this unique? How many middle of the pack defenseman put us these numbers or better?

Nothing I am saying is coming from the Flyers media. I painstakingly watched each and every Flyers games last season, and my opinion of Sanheim is based on that and that alone. In fact at the beginning of the season, I felt, and posted that I thought Sanheim was their best defenseman, but as the season wore on and I watched more it was clear to me this guy has a lot of deficiencies. I mean he can skate and clearly can generate offense when he wants to, but once every 10 games or so to me is not worth a significant bump in salary.
- jd250

Current market deals dictate what he will get paid, he does match up to those players. Does the player have faults to his game? Sure he does.

In terms of looking at the drive to try and make a cup run next season, they become drastically weaker if they lose Sanheim.

On a related tangent, perhaps it would be a good time for the beats to grow a pair and start asking strong questions about the Flyers development strategies. If we go along with your view that he’s a poor defenseman, why is it that in years the only defenseman they have been able to seemingly develop is Provorov?

A player who is the epitome of stagnation himself.