Here is my 2 cents on the Sanheim contract discussion. I think he has potential to be a solid 3/4. The problem is he didn't earn a pay raise over the last 2 seasons. If you look at the contract he signed in 19, he had 35 points and was trending up. Over the two years for the contract he signed where got a very nice raise, he failed to even meet his previous point total of 35 points when compared to a 82 game season. This is the sticking point for the Flyers. The look at him as a solid puck moving defense man with some solid offensive upside. He is an average defender but gets beat often because he hasn't figured out how to use his body to defend. So if your pay raise in 19 from 1M to 3.25M was based on continued offensive growth, he flat out did not earn another raise. It says nothing about the player, it says everything about what the team sees as his value and worth for the role they want him to fill.

He is a very good player who will continue to grow, but the Flyers did not get their money out of the last contract and they are not going to give him a raise because of it. I 100% agree with this approach...

Nobody has argued that Ristolainen is not a better offensive player overall than Sanheim. Again, you and others want to make a comparison. As if Sanheim can't be a good player because Ristolainen is better. Sanheim does not play on the PP. Yet he has strong ES point production. That is just a simple fact that supports Sanheim as a good player. There is no hand picking of stats going on. You however ignore the poor analytics of Ristolainen because it does not support your premise.
- MJL

2020-21 - ESP = 15 - GP = 55
2019-2020 - ESP = 21 - GP = 69
2018-2019 - ESP =30 - GP 82
2017-2018 - ESP 10 - GP 49

255 GP and 76 ES points.

Is that strong ES production? He is trending down after his 30 ESP 3 years ago.

Like I asked earlier how would Sanhero look if he was on buffalo the last 3 seasons?
- hello it's me 2050

Really, really bad. It would only happen on a Flyers discussion board that one would suggest Sanheim is as good as Risto to this point in their careers.

Here is my 2 cents on the Sanheim contract discussion. I think he has potential to be a solid 3/4. The problem is he didn't earn a pay raise over the last 2 seasons. If you look at the contract he signed in 19, he had 35 points and was trending up. Over the two years for the contract he signed where got a very nice raise, he failed to even meet his previous point total of t35 points when compared to a 82 game season. This is the sticking point for the Flyers. The look at him as a solid puck moving defense man with some solid offensive upside. He is an average defender but gets beat often because he hasn't figured out how to use his body to defend. So if your pay raise in 19 from 1M to 3.25M was based on continued offensive growth, he flat out did not earn another raise. It says nothing about the player, it says everything about what the team sees as his value and worth for the role they want him to fill.

He is a very good player who will continue to grow, but the Flyers did not get their money out of the last contract and they are not going to give him a raise because of it. I 100% agree with this approach...
- JW98FlyerFan

We’ll said….I think he can be a solid #4…which is a very good d man. I hope he can continue to grow.

Really, really bad. It would only happen on a Flyers discussion board that one would suggest Sanheim is as good as Risto to this point in their careers.
- landros 2

Well we shall see if he is any diff than when he was on buffalo. Though not like the flyers are this defensive juggernaut either. Going to be interesting.

One thing I would do that I know will not happen imo is take ivan off the pp ad insert risto. Ivan is just not good on the pp. Risto has a good track record on the pp. See if he can still make it work.

Well we shall see if he is any diff than when he was on buffalo. Though not like the flyers are this defensive juggernaut either. Going to be interesting.

One thing I would do that I know will not happen imo is take ivan off the pp ad insert risto. Ivan is just not good on the pp. Risto has a good track record on the pp. See if he can still make it work.
- hello it's me 2050

If yandle is in the lineup he should be on the first power play unit.

Well we shall see if he is any diff than when he was on buffalo. Though not like the flyers are this defensive juggernaut either. Going to be interesting.

One thing I would do that I know will not happen imo is take ivan off the pp ad insert risto. Ivan is just not good on the pp. Risto has a good track record on the pp. See if he can still make it work.
- hello it's me 2050

They also have Ellis and Yandle for this year. But Risto has been productive on the PP…he has a bomb for a shot. I think Risto can be more productive over all in Philly, as he won’t be expected to carry that much responsibility…but ya, time will tell.

If yandle is in the lineup he should be on the first power play unit.
- ClaudeFather

Either way Ivan should be removed. They have better options.

Either way Ivan should be removed. They have better options.
- hello it's me 2050

Agreed

They also have Ellis and Yandle for this year. But Risto has been productive on the PP…he has a bomb for a shot. I think Risto can be more productive over all in Philly, as he won’t be expected to carry that much responsibility…but ya, time will tell.
- landros 2

They improved their options for a right shot with Risto and Ellis. Maybe we see 2 defenseman on each PP unit this season.

Either way Ivan should be removed. They have better options.
- hello it's me 2050

I get the feeling that they'll go with 2D on the PP now. Risto, Ellis, Yandle and Prov should all get regular PP time.

edit: apparently leight

I get the feeling that they'll go with 2D on the PP now. Risto, Ellis, Yandle and Prov should all get regular PP time.

edit: apparently leight
- Tomahawk

Don't know what to expect with this coaching staff as they seem stubborn.

I don’t know what’s up with trying to compare Sanheim and Risto. I am hoping they make a terrific pair, make each other better, cover for the other’s flaws…and I am not worried about Sanheim’s next contract other than to say the fan reaction to it may not be great. I penciled his one year deal in at 5M before the offseason. If they get a multi year deal done, I am hoping it’s a lot lower AAV. A 3 year deal or just a one year deal is my best guess.

Here is my 2 cents on the Sanheim contract discussion. I think he has potential to be a solid 3/4. The problem is he didn't earn a pay raise over the last 2 seasons. If you look at the contract he signed in 19, he had 35 points and was trending up. Over the two years for the contract he signed where got a very nice raise, he failed to even meet his previous point total of 35 points when compared to a 82 game season. This is the sticking point for the Flyers. The look at him as a solid puck moving defense man with some solid offensive upside. He is an average defender but gets beat often because he hasn't figured out how to use his body to defend. So if your pay raise in 19 from 1M to 3.25M was based on continued offensive growth, he flat out did not earn another raise. It says nothing about the player, it says everything about what the team sees as his value and worth for the role they want him to fill.

He is a very good player who will continue to grow, but the Flyers did not get their money out of the last contract and they are not going to give him a raise because of it. I 100% agree with this approach...
- JW98FlyerFan

Understanding the NHL salary structure, there are man factors that come into play including years of service, usage and deployment as well as statistical evidence. Sanheim was trending up solidly until last season in many areas. His underlying numbers were still very good. Like the entire team, his scoring numbers were down last year. When you look at the overall picture and consider all the factors, Sanheim is in line for a raise. It's just a question of how much of a raise. The GM is even on record as saying he is in line for a raise.

Did Carter Hart earn a raise last season? Statistically he was one of the worst goalies in the league.

I get the feeling that they'll go with 2D on the PP now. Risto, Ellis, Yandle and Prov should all get regular PP time.

edit: apparently leight
- Tomahawk

I would take Provorov off of the PP. I would still go with one defenseman. Yandle on PP1 and Ellis on PP2. Ristolainen can also play on the PP if there is an injury, penalty situation or one of the others struggles.

I don’t know what’s up with trying to compare Sanheim and Risto. I am hoping they make a terrific pair, make each other better, cover for the other’s flaws…and I am not worried about Sanheim’s next contract other than to say the fan reaction to it may not be great. I penciled his one year deal in at 5M before the offseason. If they get a multi year deal done, I am hoping it’s a lot lower AAV. A 3 year deal or just a one year deal is my best guess.
- NC Flyers Fan

Exactly. It's as if you have to choose one or the other. If you think Ristolainen is a good player then apparently you can't also think Sanheim is a good player.

I get the feeling that they'll go with 2D on the PP now. Risto, Ellis, Yandle and Prov should all get regular PP time.

edit: apparently leight
- Tomahawk

Most of the better PP in the league use only 1 D, right? Can someone explain the X's and O's of the difference in PP with 3 forwards versus 4? Serious question. I am unfamiliar with the different set-ups and benefits of 1 versus 2 dmen on PP unit. Would a 2 D set up affect G's role?

2020-21 - ESP = 15 - GP = 55
2019-2020 - ESP = 21 - GP = 69
2018-2019 - ESP =30 - GP 82
2017-2018 - ESP 10 - GP 49

255 GP and 76 ES points.

Is that strong ES production? He is trending down after his 30 ESP 3 years ago.
- hello it's me 2050

His best year he signed and extension for two years. Didn’t Ron say he was betting on himself to get a raise after. Don’t think he earned a significant raise. Around 4 should be fine.

I would take Provorov off of the PP. I would still go with one defenseman. Yandle on PP1 and Ellis on PP2. Ristolainen can also play on the PP if there is an injury, penalty situation or one of the others struggles.
- MJL

Risto has had better success on the PP than ellis has.

His best year he signed and extension for two years. Didn’t Ron say he was betting on himself to get a raise after. Don’t think he earned a significant raise. Around 4 should be fine.
- Peter Richards

Keep hearing his ES production is strong. What defines strong?

I get the feeling that they'll go with 2D on the PP now. Risto, Ellis, Yandle and Prov should all get regular PP time.

edit: apparently leight
- Tomahawk

I wouldn’t be surprised if Risto didn’t get any PP time. He was just Buffalo’s best option, which isn’t saying much. Sometimes he was used as a net front presences, which won’t happen here. Yandle, Provorov and Ellis should see pp time. Ellis’ point totals aren’t that much better than Provorov’s.

Understanding the NHL salary structure, there are man factors that come into play including years of service, usage and deployment as well as statistical evidence. Sanheim was trending up solidly until last season in many areas. His underlying numbers were still very good. Like the entire team, his scoring numbers were down last year. When you look at the overall picture and consider all the factors, Sanheim is in line for a raise. It's just a question of how much of a raise. The GM is even on record as saying he is in line for a raise.

Did Carter Hart earn a raise last season? Statistically he was one of the worst goalies in the league.
- MJL

I agree the question is the level of raise. He has not earned a big jump (Poink) and should probably get something more like Carlo or Montour...but the fact that this is edging closer and closer to arb tells me they are not talking the same language.

I don't see the upward trend you talk about above, I see his numbers flat (when everyone else was on fire) the year after signed in 19 and continued to drop last year. Put this way, I didn't notice him on the ice much last year, and to some degree the year before. Ghost was honestly better last year than Sanheim last year, and that says something.

Should Sanheim get Ghost money?

Hart had a bad year, he was solid the 2 years before. Apples - oranges. there are better comparisons than that.

I would take Provorov off of the PP. I would still go with one defenseman. Yandle on PP1 and Ellis on PP2. Ristolainen can also play on the PP if there is an injury, penalty situation or one of the others struggles.
- MJL

Dunno, if we're just going by historical performance, then yeah. But PP time is one of the most coveted carrots that a coach can dangle in front of his players... and taking that carrot away from your #1 dude could upset things.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Risto didn’t get any PP time. He was just Buffalo’s best option, which isn’t saying much. Sometimes he was used as a net front presences, which won’t happen here. Yandle, Provorov and Ellis should see pp time. Ellis’ point totals aren’t that much better than Provorov’s.
- SuperSchennBros

Well they do need a net front guy when JVR's not on the ice

Keep hearing his ES production is strong. What defines strong?
- hello it's me 2050

#36 ranked D in ES points per 60mins over the past three seasons.