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GPerogie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hightstown, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

Aug 10 @ 7:16 PM ET
Reading some of these posts it seems some on here think this team is worse off than we were last year as far as quality/fit of roster? It sure seems like we've got 3 capable lines of D, and a nice mix for the offensive lines, X factory being if Frost can make the team as a center, If so we have nice deep wingers and a little bit of everything - Shooters, Net front, Youth, Experience I can't complain about the potential of this team after several years with little moves made for the "Now". Is the team worse off because of Jakes points and Ghost being traded?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 7:18 PM ET
Sonia glendening and bellemare. But understand why. But would ve been interested in brassard as well for 1 mil.
- Peter Richards


Where would Brassard play in this lineup? Brassard hasn't been a good player for 5 years now.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Aug 10 @ 7:19 PM ET
Sonia glendening and bellemare. But understand why. But would ve been interested in brassard as well for 1 mil.
- Peter Richards

What about James Neal legit scoring machine
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Aug 10 @ 7:25 PM ET
Where would Brassard play in this lineup? Brassard hasn't been a good player for 5 years now.
- MJL


The discussion was who we were interested in before Thompson. No brassard wouldn’t have been my first choice. But would take him over Thompson for the 13 th forward.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 7:31 PM ET
The discussion was who we were interested in before Thompson. No brassard wouldn’t have been my first choice. But would take him over Thompson for the 13 th forward.
- Peter Richards


Why? He has no value as a role player. Thompson is better in that role. Again, where are you going to play Brassard and what will he give you? He's an offensive player who can no longer score.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 10 @ 7:38 PM ET
There is no way, cap wise, this ends well and next season will be worse. Even if they find a taker for JVR’s entire cap hit, they will still have to re-sign Couts, Giroux and Farabee. They will also have to re-sign Ristolainen unless they really are Ok with paying a premium price for a one year rental. Oh, and unless one of the prospects steps up, they’ll once again be looking for a 2nd goalie.

There is simply no way this can all be accomplished with the cap staying flat.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Aug 10 @ 7:41 PM ET
Why? He has no value as a role player. Thompson is better in that role. Again, where are you going to play Brassard and what will he give you? He's an offensive player who can no longer score.
- MJL


For a similar role he played for with the isles. 3 rd 4th line ability to spot fill up.

Still scores more than Nate. And would be fine as the 4 c or rw.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 7:48 PM ET
For a similar role he played for with the isles. 3 rd 4th line ability to spot fill up.

Still scores more than Nate. And would be fine as the 4 c or rw.

- Peter Richards


No he wouldn't be fine. Brassard is done as a player. Not capable of playing a role as a 4th line center. Consider the cap situation and the forward lineup. Thompson brings more to the 4th line center spot. Brassard makes zero sense.


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 7:49 PM ET
There is no way, cap wise, this ends well and next season will be worse. Even if they find a taker for JVR’s entire cap hit, they will still have to re-sign Couts, Giroux and Farabee. They will also have to re-sign Ristolainen unless they really are Ok with paying a premium price for a one year rental. Oh, and unless one of the prospects steps up, they’ll once again be looking for a 2nd goalie.

There is simply no way this can all be accomplished with the cap staying flat.

- BiggE


They'll have to move JVR without retaining salary at some point. That will require giving up quality assets. Dave Scott has got this team right back to where they were under Holmgren.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Aug 10 @ 7:52 PM ET
No he wouldn't be fine. Brassard is done as a player. Not capable of playing a role as a 4th line center. Consider the cap situation and the forward lineup. Thompson brings more to the 4th line center spot. Brassard makes zero sense.
- MJL


Your opinion. How he do in the playoffs this time last year? Had more points than Nate all last season.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 10 @ 7:57 PM ET
Yeah, what does it say?

It says nothing that turned out to be remotely accurate, that is what it says.

- MBFlyerfan

No kidding smart guy. How is that hindsight working for you?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 10 @ 7:58 PM ET
There is no way, cap wise, this ends well and next season will be worse. Even if they find a taker for JVR’s entire cap hit, they will still have to re-sign Couts, Giroux and Farabee. They will also have to re-sign Ristolainen unless they really are Ok with paying a premium price for a one year rental. Oh, and unless one of the prospects steps up, they’ll once again be looking for a 2nd goalie.

There is simply no way this can all be accomplished with the cap staying flat.

- BiggE

Once again, great job on the signing of second line center Kevin Hayes. I like Ryan Ellis but what was the salary Differential on a deal for him that saw Patrick and Myers go the other way. You have to make youth work.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 7:59 PM ET
Your opinion. How he do in the playoffs this time last year? Had more points than Nate all last season.
- Peter Richards


Not very well since he wasn't in the playoffs. Brassard needs PP time to score. He's not a 4th line player. Again, who do they push out for Brassard? He is not going to push out Thompson. Thompson is more valuable as a checker and PK forward than Brassard is as an offensive player. You haven't thought this out very well.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 10 @ 8:00 PM ET
No kidding smart guy. How is that hindsight working for you?
- SuperSchennBros



Not on my part, I never thought they would protect JVR, Voracek, or Ghost. Not once. Even after they traded Patrick.

What DID surprise me was that Seattle took Bunnamon, I did NOT see that one coming.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 10 @ 8:02 PM ET
Not on my part, I never thought they would protect JVR, Voracek, or Ghost. Not once. Even after they traded Patrick.

What DID surprise me was that Seattle took Bunnamon, I did NOT see that one coming.

- MBFlyerfan

Seattle didn’t take Bunnaman
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Aug 10 @ 8:10 PM ET
I feel like the Flyers could win the cup next season and people on here would still complain we gave up too much for Ristolianen or signed Nate Thompson as a 4th line center.
- J35Bacher

Yes, finally a smart post here!!!
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Aug 10 @ 8:13 PM ET
I really don't have any doubts that this team should be a playoff team. I have no doubt that they will be improved and more fun to watch. However I won't be ecstatic with just making the playoffs and winning a round or two. Not with what they done. Just being a playoff team while being capped out is a failure as far as I'm concerned. I witnessed that level of hockey for years under Holmgren. Always going for it and signing top free agents, trading picks. They got close once and that was great. I've set my sights higher. That's why I'm not 100% on board with the moves they made.
- MJL

Good root for another team then and go post on their site your insufferable pontifications and hyperbole.
Be gone!!
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Aug 10 @ 8:16 PM ET
Not on my part, I never thought they would protect JVR, Voracek, or Ghost. Not once. Even after they traded Patrick.

What DID surprise me was that Seattle took Bunnamon, I did NOT see that one coming.

- MBFlyerfan

Wow what a fan you don't even know who Krackheads took.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 10 @ 8:20 PM ET
Seattle didn’t take Bunnaman
- SuperSchennBros



Duh...right.

Didnt see them taking Twarynski either.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 10 @ 8:21 PM ET
Wow what a fan you don't even know who Krackheads took.
- konalover711




I know right!?
penguininnevada
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater
Joined: 09.01.2008

Aug 10 @ 8:22 PM ET
Looking ahead to next year both Giroux and Couturier are UFAs. With Giroux currently at $8.275M and Couturier at $4.333M they will both have major implications on the Cap.
Where do you see these negotiations going? I would have thought Couturier would certainly command a higher salary. I am not convinced that Giroux would command a pay increase.
Do you see the Flyers trying to keep both players? Can they afford both players?

- MRK66

Giroux is off to Montreal next season, buhahwhahahahahahahaha

career failure,
no stanley cuppers
no olympic invites
not even a zippo lighter
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 10 @ 8:23 PM ET
The flyers will pay ex selke for past performance.
- hello it's me 2050

On the plus side when they do you won’t have to hear me female doging for a long time. I’ll be checking out as avid flyers fans and watcher if they do that
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 10 @ 8:24 PM ET
Giroux is off to Montreal next season, buhahwhahahahahahahaha

career failure,
no stanley cuppers
no olympic invites
not even a zippo lighter

- penguininnevada



I would rather read this guys posts all day long over Bee Gees and Todd Rundgren 2050.


At least they are funny. Kind of cliched and not very creative, but still funny.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Aug 10 @ 8:41 PM ET
Not very well since he wasn't in the playoffs. Brassard needs PP time to score. He's not a 4th line player. Again, who do they push out for Brassard? He is not going to push out Thompson. Thompson is more valuable as a checker and PK forward than Brassard is as an offensive player. You haven't thought this out very well.
- MJL

This time last year he ha so 8 points in 16 playoff games.

How many did Nate have all season this?

And brassard was in the playoffs this time last year. He played for the isles.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 10 @ 8:45 PM ET
I would rather read this guys posts all day long over Bee Gees and Todd Rundgren 2050.


At least they are funny. Kind of cliched and not very creative, but still funny.

- MBFlyerfan


Means a lot coming from the guy who has no idea who we lost in Ed.
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